[Panda Man]

I see something happening, there is too much money in the hands of the brady bunch. What I hope that doesn't happen is ammo prices, that is more crippling to the gun community then an actual "Assault weapons ban" could ever do. The average .308/7.62x51mm costs around $1 per round, if that price were to hit $2-$2.50 that would put a big halt in people actually buying the firearms since they would not be able to afford shooting the rifle.

Bolt Guns, Shotguns, 22lr(both pistol and rifle), lever action and Revolvers will never be touched in America ever. The first round of bans will be on AR15/AK47's if they do happen(which I don't think will happen) but what I DO see happening will be bans on magazine capacities over 10 rounds.

This post has been edited by Panda Man: 21 December 2012 - 05:48 PM

[Watcher]

Happy new year to all, hopefully in this next chapter of America nothing "drastic" happens.

[Panda Man]

it doesn't look good at all.

First day of the 133rd congress, 10 gun laws went into congress for debate.

[OEFVeteran]

the AWB if going up for vote on the 22nd...

[Watcher]

OEFVeteran, on 05 January 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

the AWB if going up for vote on the 22nd...

I'm optimistic.

If you've read the details of the AWB, everything is so completely over the top that it threatens the sale and ownership of a percentage of firearms numbering in the 90s... There's no way any rational person would accept it.



Doesn't mean you shouldn't still write your congressman...

[TK-421]

Watcher, on 07 January 2013 - 01:59 AM, said:

OEFVeteran, on 05 January 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

the AWB if going up for vote on the 22nd...

I'm optimistic.
There's no way any rational person would accept it.

Eh, I don't know. If you haven't realized it by now, rational people seem to be in a shockingly short supply lately, especially in congress. I definitely think some sort of anti-gun compromise will be made, unfortunately. Heard of a few republicans talking either about gun control or a compromise, neither one of which make me happy.

If I won the lottery, I would honestly spend all of my winnings on lawsuits to try and defeat laws and bans and everything else that violates our amendments, with a very strong focus on the second amendment. I don't care how many gun bans and anti-gun laws the government comes up with, they all violate the second amendment and they need to be gotten rid of before they're even thought about.

[etekgirl27]

Just a reminder (mods you should know better) there's no politics on this site. If you wanna keep the thread then stop.

[Watcher]

It's not like we're debating anything anyway, we all feel the same way; but right now it's hard to talk about anything BUT the political side of gun ownership.

But rules are rules.



... This thread might be a ghost town for a while.

[OEFVeteran]

the way i see it talking about the fine points of the proposed ban isnt against the rules, as its pertinent to the thread itself... and it affects those of use that are part of the club... there is a difference in talking about politics and political beliefs and picking apart a proposed change to a law... as long as the discussion stays factual and on point with the AWB and doesnt divulge into political flame war full of he said she said bullshit i dont see a problem with it... i will personally monitor the thread for infractions and over the line posts if other mods are ok with it... if not, then any posts relating the proposed AWB will be deleted...

[etekgirl27]

Mike says no as of 6:30 pm today.

[Corrupted355]

Then this thread is going to be a ghost town until after the 22nd. Also, I have to say that I'm very disappointed with the both of you. This thread is the only reason I visit this forum anymore, so I guess I won't be here for a while.

This post has been edited by Corrupted355: 07 January 2013 - 06:37 PM

[OEFVeteran]

yup, gonna be a ghost town in here till the end of the month... this thread is one of the few reasons i venture out of the chat room...


on another note... once my mossberg 500 project is done i am going to work on a .308 scout rifle... short barrel, magazine fed, mauser claw ectractor action... 3-9x optic... something light and tight for 0-500m shots and brush shooting

[Watcher]

OEFVeteran, on 07 January 2013 - 07:05 PM, said:

once my mossberg 500 project is done i am going to work on a .308 scout rifle... short barrel, magazine fed, mauser claw ectractor action... 3-9x optic... something light and tight for 0-500m shots and brush shooting

You, my friend, sound like the perfect owner for a Ruger M77 Gunsite-Scout rifle. 16" with a muzzle-brake, mag fed 3/5/10, mauser action, iron sights. Long-relief scope or red-dot on the pic rail, or install rings for a std. rifle scope.

Edit: hopped on Ruger's website, and much to my surprise two new handguns caught my attention.

#1 SR45. Now, I have a love the SR9 9mm. So much that I e-mailed Ruger asking if they had any plans to make the handgun in a .45acp because I loved the handgun so much and loved the .45 so much. I was basically told that no, they aren't working to develop a .45, and if I wanted a .45 auto from then I should look at the P90. I e-mailed the CEO suggesting an SR45.
I still wanted a polymer .45, and was leaning heavily towards an M&P. So OMG an SR45! I'm so buying one. At the same time, where's my check? Surely I planted a seed...

#2 SR1911 Commander length!
I was planning on carrying my full-size SR1911 once Illinois goes CCW this summer, but I may need to opt into this one now.



Anyways...
Speaking of Mossberg, I just got a Tac-Star side-saddle for my 590A1.


I like the fact that chamber+magazine+saddle I can hold 15 shells, but it seems like it really holds the shells tight.

It's good and bad. Good because they won't get rattled out from recoil/operation/man-handling, but I can't seem to get them off the saddle and into the shotgun quickly. I kind of have to push them down from the top to get more purchase on the brass, then really yank 'em.


I have some high-brass buck sitting in it right now in an effort to break it in. I hope it helps.

Corrupted355, on 07 January 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

Then this thread is going to be a ghost town until after the 22nd. Also, I have to say that I'm very disappointed with the both of you. This thread is the only reason I visit this forum anymore, so I guess I won't be here for a while.

Probably for a while afterward as well, until the fallout clears up.


I am a bit disappointed as well. Although an assault-weapons-ban is technically a political topic, I feel much like OEF in that we are talking the effects and details of the proposed law rather than focusing on the politicians and pro/anti-gun lobbyists.



It's like, say paintball markers were accepted legally as being firearms and now required licensed purchase or say the terms of the AWB stretched into "mimics" and affected Tippmanns/BTs/etc.
Would this forum not be allowed to talk about said instance because it narrowly falls into the realm of "politics"?
I'd think people would be all over that...




But again, I says rules are rules. If they wish it be kept under our hats then capped I shall remain.

This post has been edited by Watcher: 08 January 2013 - 08:15 PM

[OEFVeteran]

i see the benefit of haveing a side saddle shell holder on the gun, that way if you have to grab and goe you have some ammo there.... but, i have the awkwardness of it... the more i use my shotty the more i think i may be a complete convert... i've been looking up high end shotguns and am really liking the benelli m3 convertable... only thing i dislike about it is the its an inertia driven semi auto instead of the dual gas piston of the m4... i really like the m4... but i like how the m3 can be switched form pump to semi... as far as the mossberg goes... i am going to replace the factory stock with an adjustable pistol grip stock... replace the barrel with a heavy walled mil spec barrel... add a heat shield and install the ghost ring sights i already bought for it...

i will need a second tac vest for holding shot shells... and i need to start stockpiling all kinds of shot shells from sand/disrupter rounds, to quadrangle buck shot to flechettes... i know, it sounds crazy... but a shot gun the single most versatile weapon on the market...


also, what is the difference between the 500 590a1 other then the milspec parts? dont they both use the same alloy receiver?

This post has been edited by OEFVeteran: 08 January 2013 - 08:08 PM

[Watcher]

OEFVeteran, on 08 January 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

i see the benefit of haveing a side saddle shell holder on the gun, that way if you have to grab and goe you have some ammo there.... but, i have the awkwardness of it... the more i use my shotty the more i think i may be a complete convert...
as far as the mossberg goes... i am going to replace the factory stock with an adjustable pistol grip stock... replace the barrel with a heavy walled mil spec barrel... add a heat shield and install the ghost ring sights i already bought for it...

i will need a second tac vest for holding shot shells... and i need to start stockpiling all kinds of shot shells from sand/disrupter rounds, to quadrangle buck shot to flechettes... i know, it sounds crazy... but a shot gun the single most versatile weapon on the market...


also, what is the difference between the 500 590a1 other then the milspec parts? dont they both use the same alloy receiver?

I don't think it is awkward at all, makes the gun a bit heaver and lean to one side a tad but it is very negligible IMHO. The speed of reload (as long as I can get the shells out!) is great from the saddle!



You better get us some pics of the final product! I don't think I'd ever put sites on mine, I like the bead up front and if I ever need to use slugs I am confident with the bead on a man sized target at 100. If I plan on needing more range than that I'll take a rifle...
I might pull the bead off and polish it to it's natural brass or paint it white, though, the blackened finish is kinda hard to spot in a hurry. I love how the heat shield looks, I might do that but I don't think it'd be necessary for me for performance. I don't think I'd do the CAR stock either, I like the std stock. Might go for the speed-feed stock so I can carry another 4 shells on gun, though.


Oh yeah! From starting fires to firing 70 cal projectiles to a couple hundred yards away with minute of man accuracy you can't beat a 12gauge! Search on YouTube for TaoFlederMaus's videos about crazy and improvised shotgun loads. Spent .22 casings, candy, airsoft BBs, batteries, silly-putty, thumbtacks, cut up coat hangers, nuts/bolts/washers/misc hardware, coins, you name it! As long as you have powder, primers, a reloading tool, empties, and random crap you can make a lethal shotgun load!
Plus there's always the wax-slug and cut-shell trick.
Most versatile firearm in existence? You bet your ass!



The way I always understood it the benefits of the 590 over the 500 is milspec internals, heavy barrel, different barrel retention system so the barrel band and mag plug functions as a bayonet mounting system, and the magazine also allows an extra shell over the 500s of comparable barrel size. IIRC the 20" 500 holds 7+1 while the 20" 590 holds 8+1.
The stocks, forends, and receivers are identical.
Also, the 590A1 differs from the normal 590 by having a metal safety switch and metal trigger-group instead of the plastic ones in the 500/590.


When I was getting my 12 gauge, I knew I didn't want a Remington, and I knew I was going to go big or go home.
I eventually went home, but not before I went big


Side note, Mossberg's current website blows! Their old layout gave you a lot more information...

This post has been edited by Watcher: 08 January 2013 - 10:00 PM

[dhunt91]

Okay so ?
apparently i either did or forgot to do something to my ar
I can not rack the side at all without putting the but of the gun to the ground and using both hands to force it open,
after inspection it seems that the bolt head is not rotating back to line up so that it can be racked.

My ? is why is this happening?

Did if forget to lube it or not do it right (guessing this as I never break it down very far)
or is this just a simple replacement part fix?

[Klub]

First post in here...
I like shooting, own some guns.

I have a marlin 336, 30-30 made before remington destroyed marlin's quality. My favorite gun I own.
Remington 597, it was cheap, and it's pretty good for plinking.
Marlin 1895 guide gun
remington .35 pump
ruger blackhawk .41 mag
.22 colt peacemaker
NE arms pardner 20 guage
Savage arms 12 guage
remington nylon 66

I'm also looking at getting a FNP .45.

[YoungGun32]

dhunt91, on 14 January 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

Okay so ?
apparently i either did or forgot to do something to my ar
I can not rack the side at all without putting the but of the gun to the ground and using both hands to force it open,
after inspection it seems that the bolt head is not rotating back to line up so that it can be racked.

My ? is why is this happening?

Did if forget to lube it or not do it right (guessing this as I never break it down very far)
or is this just a simple replacement part fix?

Sounds like you didn't assemble it correctly.

Hopefully this thread picks back up soon, about the only place to have an intelligent conversation on this forum without the over zealous mods freaking out.

[OEFVeteran]

dhunt91, on 14 January 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

Okay so ?
apparently i either did or forgot to do something to my ar
I can not rack the side at all without putting the but of the gun to the ground and using both hands to force it open,
after inspection it seems that the bolt head is not rotating back to line up so that it can be racked.

My ? is why is this happening?

Did if forget to lube it or not do it right (guessing this as I never break it down very far)
or is this just a simple replacement part fix?

did you put your bolt into the carrier backwards? i've seen people put it in that way and have had to force the cam pin in... on bolts that are worn you can force the cam pin in that way, and that wlll cause the BCG to seize up... also, check that there isnt anything in the buffer tube other then the buffer assembly and spring... i've also seen people someone leave cleaning supplies in there (cleaning rod)... break the rifle down again, re-check the chamber, make sure all the lugs are present and in tact, and that the star chamber is clear and intact... make sure your extractor is installed properly... and that your gas tube/gas key isnt damaged... if you notice that the bolt carrier is rattling around int he upper, then it might be too worn...

YoungGun32, on 15 January 2013 - 02:50 AM, said:

dhunt91, on 14 January 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

Okay so ?
apparently i either did or forgot to do something to my ar
I can not rack the side at all without putting the but of the gun to the ground and using both hands to force it open,
after inspection it seems that the bolt head is not rotating back to line up so that it can be racked.

My ? is why is this happening?

Did if forget to lube it or not do it right (guessing this as I never break it down very far)
or is this just a simple replacement part fix?

Sounds like you didn't assemble it correctly.

Hopefully this thread picks back up soon, about the only place to have an intelligent conversation on this forum without the over zealous mods freaking out.

this thread is looked down upon given the topic of it and whats going on in the country right now... and since most people on here cant be trusted to have a civilized conversation without starting an absolute flame war, those of us that can hold a rational conversation have to pay the price...

just make sure all of you stay within the rules, as i woudl hate tohave to close this thread down till after the 22nd...

[canscom]

Does anyone know where (if its possible) to get a Elcan C79