[PSYclone paintball]

csskiller, on Dec 5 2008, 06:19 PM, said:

I like your idea, (quick patent it before smart parts sues you!) but you also have to consider that you have to take your loader off in order to load a cleaner ball. Which depending on what kind of feedneck you have could be very hard.

Unless of course you would want to have a kind of Y pipe that has your loader attached to one side and the fluffy balls (not that kind shut up!) on the other side and have them load when you need it to.

from what I'm thinking you may need multiple fluffy balls to get the break cleared.

Just my input.

You could have one fluffly to every 100 paintballs in your pods which would save loading in game fluffys

[y2ksurvivor]

Well I dont know about the re-usable factor to that. Just think, after you do shoot one through to clean it, you would have to go chase it down and find it if you were going to "re-use" it. Not to mention you could possibly get debris on it, which when fired, could end up hurting someones. Say a peice of glass?

[cockerpunk]

cockerpunk, on Dec 5 2008, 06:43 PM, said:

the fluff ball has been invented - it called underboring

well see if someone reads it now ...

[no_kitty]

so the answer is no then?? no one has a sane way to create this?

[no_kitty]

scuse the double post, but I had an idea. what about making something along the lines of those golf training balls but in .68
EG
http://www.mailordergolf.com/products/golf...ice-golf-balls#

same size of a golf ball half the weight, but lots of fins on them so they dont fly very far.

made of soething squishy it would work?

[Grndslmhttr3]

PrometheanFlame, on Dec 5 2008, 07:53 PM, said:

How would you roll it down your barrel? By putting it in the front? If there's paint in the barrel, it's gonna move about an inch before it just sticks and sits there. Also, you're still not using proper grammar. So just stop trying. Then again, it IS kind of funny to see you struggling (and failing) to please me.

No one is using (or trying to use) proper grammar to impress you. Don't feel so flattered.

-Tc-, on Dec 5 2008, 08:03 PM, said:

why not throw a few reballs or somthing similar before hand so that all you have to do is keep shooting through until you get a cleaner ball?

thou u would have to underbore to make it a little more effective

Reballs are pretty expensive, and I think that a barrel swab would be more effective anyway. You would get a good clean, and it would take half the time. Not to mention that it would cost a lot less, too.

This post has been edited by Grndslmhttr3: 06 December 2008 - 03:50 PM

[Leftystrikesback]

cockerpunk, on Dec 6 2008, 10:00 AM, said:

cockerpunk, on Dec 5 2008, 06:43 PM, said:

the fluff ball has been invented - it called underboring

well see if someone reads it now ...

Really? I must not have seen those pictures or whatever you're basing that on, I can't say I've ever been able to shoot through a break without at least some loss of accuracy until using a swab. I've seen of the pics that Lord Odin took about clearing breaks by shooting paint, I wouldn't say they came even close to what a quick swab would do.

no_kitty said:

so the answer is no then?? no one has a sane way to create this?

A ball designed specifically to clean the barrel is a sweet idea, the problem is loading it. I liked the idea someone had of rolling something down the barrel and then when the gun is fired, it expands on the way out to clean it. That would be quick and practical in a real game. That's the way I'd go if I were to design something like this. Sure there's a sane way to create this, but it will take some thought and research. Don't expect us to do the work for ya! Give it some thought, I'm sure you can come up with something cool.

no_kitty said:

scuse the double post, but I had an idea. what about making something along the lines of those golf training balls but in .68
EG
http://www.mailorder...ice-golf-balls#

same size of a golf ball half the weight, but lots of fins on them so they dont fly very far.

made of soething squishy it would work?

only way to know is to try it right?

This post has been edited by Leftystrikesback: 07 December 2008 - 04:59 AM

[no_kitty]

indeed. i shall try it and see what happens.

[no_kitty]

quick proof of concept

hypothesis
A paintball break in a barrel can be cleaned to restore the level of accuracy achived before the break by using a solid absorbant object fired down the barrel in the same manner as a paintball.

null hypothesis
aint working

equipment used
.685 caliber ten inch barrel (chosen for being as tight around the reball as is possible
some paint
a cocktail stick
a4 sized target (eg paintball box)
and a reball

Method
1-fired approx ten paintballs down the barrel to establish a qualatitve level of accuracy in a clean barrel
2-I broke 2 paintballs in the barrel by forcing them down the barrel and breaking them entirley by poking with a cocktail stick
3-shot another ten balls down the barrel to establish a qualatitive level of accuracy with a dirty barrel
4-shot reball down the barrel to simulate the action a fluffyball could have
5-shot another ten balls to establish the level of accuracy after a reball had been shot down the barrel
6-compared the accuracy between the three states (clean, dirty, after reball)
7-alternated shooting a reball and ten paintballs several more times thourgh the barrel to asscertain how many it takes to get the accuracy to return to the level of the clean barrel. (eg completly clean the barrel)

Results
with the clean barrel, the shots were accurate hitting the target 8/10 times
with the dirty barrel, the shots were all over the shop and I was able to hit an A4 sized target at 15meters only once out of ten shots.
after the first reball the accuracy improved and i was able to hit the box 6/10 times, however the accuracy did not reach the level of the clean barrel. It could be seen that when the reball was fired, a large plug of paint debris was ejected out the barrel.
after 4 more reballs accuracy returned to 7/10 shots hitting the target.

Conclusion
The null hypothesis is true.

discussion
The results show that it is possible for a paintball break in a barrel to be cleaned using (in this case) a reball, however it did not restore the level of accuracy previous to the break and took several more reballs to restore accuracy to a level comparable with that attained before the break. So in this instance the Null hypothesis is true. (it aint working)

This could be due to the lack of absorbance of a reball, if the surface of the object were made more absorbant it could be argued that the barrel would be cleaned more throughly,I aim to test this in my next experiment.


Now im off to go rescue the reballs from the hedge before the cat eats them.

[ibunkeru666]

that would be a good idea but you would have to mix the fluff balls in with your regular paint(so that it consistently kept the barrel clean) and that would leave you with less paint

[cockerpunk]

no_kitty, on Dec 7 2008, 11:50 AM, said:

quick proof of concept

hypothesis
A paintball break in a barrel can be cleaned to restore the level of accuracy achived before the break by using a solid absorbant object fired down the barrel in the same manner as a paintball.

null hypothesis
aint working

equipment used
.685 caliber ten inch barrel (chosen for being as tight around the reball as is possible
some paint
a cocktail stick
a4 sized target (eg paintball box)
and a reball

Method
1-fired approx ten paintballs down the barrel to establish a qualatitve level of accuracy in a clean barrel
2-I broke 2 paintballs in the barrel by forcing them down the barrel and breaking them entirley by poking with a cocktail stick
3-shot another ten balls down the barrel to establish a qualatitive level of accuracy with a dirty barrel
4-shot reball down the barrel to simulate the action a fluffyball could have
5-shot another ten balls to establish the level of accuracy after a reball had been shot down the barrel
6-compared the accuracy between the three states (clean, dirty, after reball)
7-alternated shooting a reball and ten paintballs several more times thourgh the barrel to asscertain how many it takes to get the accuracy to return to the level of the clean barrel. (eg completly clean the barrel)

Results
with the clean barrel, the shots were accurate hitting the target 8/10 times
with the dirty barrel, the shots were all over the shop and I was able to hit an A4 sized target at 15meters only once out of ten shots.
after the first reball the accuracy improved and i was able to hit the box 6/10 times, however the accuracy did not reach the level of the clean barrel. It could be seen that when the reball was fired, a large plug of paint debris was ejected out the barrel.
after 4 more reballs accuracy returned to 7/10 shots hitting the target.

Conclusion
The null hypothesis is true.

discussion
The results show that it is possible for a paintball break in a barrel to be cleaned using (in this case) a reball, however it did not restore the level of accuracy previous to the break and took several more reballs to restore accuracy to a level comparable with that attained before the break. So in this instance the Null hypothesis is true. (it aint working)

This could be due to the lack of absorbance of a reball, if the surface of the object were made more absorbant it could be argued that the barrel would be cleaned more throughly,I aim to test this in my next experiment.


Now im off to go rescue the reballs from the hedge before the cat eats them.

here the issue your having, reaballs are tiny. like .670 or .665 tiny.

what you need is something bigger then the barrel, so is will make a really good seal, and push out all that crap in front of it.

hense, way i suggested underboring. the next few paintballs after the break will clean it up real quick and easy.

[betasniper]

i have an idea, how about a cotton ball that is on the inside of a paintball shell and was oversized so that it would open in the barrel and clean the inside of the barrel. i know what your thinking, you can't get a cotton ball inside a paintshell. well, you actually can(well not you, the paint encapulation comanies). it's as easy as puting a paint fill. instead of injecting paint, it would be injecting cotton fibers.

[Kitty]

But if it is encapsulated it would need to spilt on entrance to the breach in order to clean.

The fluffy ball sounds great to use after re-ball training to remove all the grit from the barrel but no more so than runnign water through it.

During games will it be practical? even if you had one in every pod sods law states that you would shoot your fluffy ball and then break paint and then need to wait another pod for one to appear.

As for loading at the end of the barrel, you have several problems;

1 - Loading down barrel mid game with a small ball not only would take up more time than using a normal fluffy stick, but you will probably drop it in in the mud.

2- If there has been a chop or a major break the fluffy ball will not roll back far enough to clean the barrel once air is projected through.

Overall I think the concept of a way to clean yoru barrel mid game without using a fluffy is a good one, but the application of the fluffy ball is perhaps impractical.

There are patents out for a couple of self-cleaning barrels but none have worked..... so maybe something to ponder in more detail, or perhaps look at it from another angle. Sod mid-game look at it for cleaning barrel and hopper feedneck at end of a days play. Could save a shite load of time for those having to pull apart hopper shells etc.

So idea: Maybe work on fluffy balls for end of day to be fired into a pod or something, re-usable like re-balls perhaps washable so at end of day can run through your hopper and gun to clean internals.

[WhatsHisFace]

PrometheanFlame, on Dec 5 2008, 07:53 PM, said:

How would you roll it down your barrel? By putting it in the front? If there's paint in the barrel, it's gonna move about an inch before it just sticks and sits there. Also, you're still not using proper grammar. So just stop trying. Then again, it IS kind of funny to see you struggling (and failing) to please me.

Um... buddy, nobody's trying to please you. And if you don't like that, you might as well leave.

As for the whole cotton ball sorta thing, they (kinda) already invented it. http://www.paintballgear.ca/store/Paintball_Gear/Paintballs/Re-usable_Balls/Combat-X_Velcro_Balls.html

Except its a velcro ball, made for target practice. But it MAY have similar qualities as your idea ( apart from the expanding part, which is a good idea, except I think you pretty much need an empty hopper for it to be good).

This post has been edited by WhatsHisFace: 09 December 2008 - 07:48 AM

[Troy]

no_kitty, on Dec 7 2008, 09:50 AM, said:

null hypothesis
aint working

...*snip*...

Conclusion
The null hypothesis is true.

If you are going to go through the trouble of using a null hypothesis you might as well do it right. Technically, (and this is really a finer point of scientific philosophy that scientists have to deal with all the time) you can't prove a hypothesis, you can lend confirmation to a hypothesis and you can disprove a hypothesis... that's all. Not a big deal, of course, but that's what a null hypothesis is for...

Don't make me break open my can of Popper in here.

[/epistemology lesson]

This post has been edited by Troy: 09 December 2008 - 09:10 AM

[PrometheanFlame]

Lucas, on Dec 5 2008, 06:26 PM, said:

As you can see... I made sure that I was using correct grammar as you like to detour from peoples cases which always seem to get on your nerves. I hope you are happy

- Lucas

PrometheanFlame, on Dec 5 2008, 06:53 PM, said:

Also, you're still not using proper grammar. So just stop trying. Then again, it IS kind of funny to see you struggling (and failing) to please me.

For those Martha Fokkers who keep saying "Nobody's trying to please you, don't flatter yourself," you can now see that this guy was trying to please me. On top of that, I'd been going back and forth with this Lucas guy in PMs about how I thought he'd be a bad moderator because he's hard to understand due to his awful grammar. Which is why he said what he did, and why I said what I did. But hey, feel free to keep going on about it if that makes you feel cool.

[Kitty]

Back on topic please ladies or I will get grumpy.

This post has been edited by Kitty: 09 December 2008 - 01:50 PM

[PrometheanFlame]

There's no way to quickly introduce an alternate type of ammo without a mod to the gun itself. You'd have to have some kind of little hatch you could flip open that would expose the breach...and close off the feedneck at the same time. As for the introduction of the fuzzballs, I would think a spring-loaded 10-round tube would work. You could keep a couple of them around your wrist like pump players do. You would open the tube next to the exposed breach, and the spring would push the fluffballs in. Then you just fire them off toward the ground or whatever. Save the tube or toss it on the ground to pick up later.

If anybody can think of something faster, I'd like to hear it. But I think a much more practical idea is coming up with a sort of bayonet-style holder for a swab, right there on your barrel. Then you don't have to go digging in a pocket for it, it's right there. It would be universal and cheap. You could probably make them yourself with a 10-round tube (or two), some duct-tape, and some of those big fat rubber bands. Or something similar. I think I'll do something like that myself sometime, just to see how it works out.

[cockerpunk]

guys, its pretty easy, just underbore.

when you squish a paintball larger then the barrel itself down the barrel, it will do the best job at pushing all that garbage out the front of the barrel.

[Poe]

Surprised no one else posted this yet:

Cleaning ball and loading device patent

...encase the link didn't work:
http://haveblue.org/...US006532946.pdf