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Posted 20 August 2011 - 07:33 AM

Ah my bad, I thought it was a random guy. I feel stupid lol.


It's cool man. Totally respect your man'ing up to the mistake. We all make mistakes. :)

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 02:38 PM

Sorry if this has already been brought up (I don't have time to search through 37 pages of posts).

Is an RT automag with a tuned ULT allowed in the Non-RT Mech category? I would think it would be obvious if we were RTing or walking the ULT, but I just wanna check to see what the judges say.

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 04:11 PM

Sorry if this has already been brought up (I don't have time to search through 37 pages of posts).

Is an RT automag with a tuned ULT allowed in the Non-RT Mech category? I would think it would be obvious if we were RTing or walking the ULT, but I just wanna check to see what the judges say.


I can tell really easily if you're RTing or pulling the trigger. If you're getting the RT rolling the signal will be really even - no matter how good you are at walking it's going to be uneven on a mech.

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 04:14 PM


Sorry if this has already been brought up (I don't have time to search through 37 pages of posts).

Is an RT automag with a tuned ULT allowed in the Non-RT Mech category? I would think it would be obvious if we were RTing or walking the ULT, but I just wanna check to see what the judges say.


I can tell really easily if you're RTing or pulling the trigger. If you're getting the RT rolling the signal will be really even - no matter how good you are at walking it's going to be uneven on a mech.


Great, maybe I'll give it a shot, and if I get disqualified I understand. Although, 10bps is going to be tough to beat.

Did you get a chance to check the official ball count on that video I submitted?
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Posted 21 August 2011 - 05:09 PM

I'll do the official count tomorrow. and yes, 10 is going to be hard to beat.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 04:26 PM

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This is my submission for the Mech Rt contest. I wish I could have gotten a longer string, but my lvl 10 doesn't reset fast enough, and I was out shooting the Rotor.

A huge thank-you to Squire (Justin) for shooting the video, and making me look fatter than I normally am.



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yup - 29 by my count. f'n fast. nice work.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 04:47 PM

Woot! Nice job shooter311!! The icon is all yours change up your avatar. :)

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 05:36 PM

fun to se that the old guns are faster then the new super guns..

okey i realy realy need to try this out to morrov. gona charge my batteries.
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Posted 22 August 2011 - 07:28 PM

Would a Phantom count as stock class or an AT Pump?

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 07:42 PM

Would a Phantom count as stock class or an AT Pump?


mmmm, it has an AT - so prob that. Although with a horizontal feed I dunno, maybe stock.

Any arguments you want to make one way or the other?

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 09:12 PM


Would a Phantom count as stock class or an AT Pump?


mmmm, it has an AT - so prob that. Although with a horizontal feed I dunno, maybe stock.

Any arguments you want to make one way or the other?


I hate this argument. OSC rules for stock class state that a stock class gun must have a non-removable unported barrel, use a horizontal stick feed with no more than 1 ball above the breach at a time, have no AT, run a non-vertical 12 gram changer that is not a lever changer and required more than 4 complete turns to operate, and a slew of other things. There is a very small number of guns which fall into that category, one of them being the PGP.

Stock class guns use 12 grams and have horizontal stick feeds is the definition I like to use.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 10:33 PM

Would a Phantom count as stock class or an AT Pump?


if used with a hopper, it would be yes.

with a stock class feed, the stock one, it would be stock IMO.
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Posted 23 August 2011 - 07:48 AM

Stock class guns use 12 grams and have horizontal stick feeds is the definition I like to use.


that's my feeling as well - just want to take a quick survey.

if used with a hopper, it would be yes.

with a stock class feed, the stock one, it would be stock IMO.


good by me.

shall we say they have to be shooting at a target - not at the ground?

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Posted 23 August 2011 - 08:12 AM


Stock class guns use 12 grams and have horizontal stick feeds is the definition I like to use.


that's my feeling as well - just want to take a quick survey.


Since speed is the last thing anyone cares about in stock class, I feel it should be something like "best trick shot", or some other way to earn the badge of "Stock Class Bad Ass". Judging might be harder though (not my problem Posted Image)
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Posted 23 August 2011 - 08:41 AM

Since speed is the last thing anyone cares about in stock class, I feel it should be something like "best trick shot", or some other way to earn the badge of "Stock Class Bad Ass". Judging might be harder though (not my problem Posted Image)


that's why the current leader has it. it's a slightly different category - it's about being a bad-ass as well as speed. Yes, a new winner will have to be fast - but they'll also have to show why they're a bad ass in the video.

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 11:12 PM


I dont even have to check that one. What operating pressure were you running? If you have a normal length pin and were under 1100 psi I have you beat. The echo is going to make it a bit of a pain to check it though.


I already gold waved it with Squire and I'm pretty sure I have you beat. I'm running under 1100psi due to low air, but there is a tuning trick I used to get the BPS up there. I can do faster, but we need to tinker with the hopper first.


I would be interested to know if the tuning trick is a shorter pin with low velocity. Running the velocity lower will make it more reactive which is why he ran it at 250.Posted Image There is a sweet spot related to input pressure and it looks like you found it.

If there is another tuning trick I would love to know it. You see, I have a thing for the magPosted Image

Also a fourth battery will get you where you want to be with a rotor and it takes E-tape and some wire and a few seconds. I have hit 31 with a rotor and 4 batteries on a RT mag.

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 12:17 AM

running low velocity had a few response. 1, as you increase input pressure output pressure actually decreases in most regs decreasing velocity and 2, less velocity means less force on the bolt aka less chops. I am also in the state of officially drunk off my ass so if none of this makes sense and spell check didnt save me, sorry.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 11:43 AM

So it was determined back in the early pages of this thread that an Emag in hybrid mode would qualify for the "Electronic" category. What about an Emag win the battery pin inserted (electronics shut off), set to mech mode only? That would be the "RT Mechanical" category, right? I've got an Emag and I just want to know if I can enter both categories with the same gun. This is an interesting deal that I've been following for awhile, and I think I might want to give it a shot. ;)

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 11:52 AM

So it was determined back in the early pages of this thread that an Emag in hybrid mode would qualify for the "Electronic" category. What about an Emag win the battery pin inserted (electronics shut off), set to mech mode only? That would be the "RT Mechanical" category, right? I've got an Emag and I just want to know if I can enter both categories with the same gun. This is an interesting deal that I've been following for awhile, and I think I might want to give it a shot. ;)


yeah, emag could actually compete in three brackets. electronic, RT and mechanical depending on how the gun is set up and what input pressure you're feeding it.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 08:53 AM

I cant believe no one has taken a shot at the electro. The record is pathetically low, but I see no reason to up it without competition. One day I will do the RT mechanical video but it really is no fair since I tune markers over at Vetters house. hehe. Never forget his videos are some of the fastest around at 34.5 bps rt mag, and 31 bps Excal.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 01:47 PM

what's the fastest mech cocker so far? has anyone beaten the 10bps???
Im going to try, I've got my series5 dialed in and I bet I could beat that.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 04:00 PM

Would a pneumag/cocker be considered cheating? Sorry if it was already mentioned, I didn't feel like reading though all 34 pages.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 07:04 PM

Angel a1 on uncapped ramping goes up to 58 bps apparently

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 07:38 PM

Angel a1 on uncapped ramping goes up to 58 bps apparently


:P that's very high. The fastest I've seen was an ego8 with the dual QEV's mod, it hit 40bps.

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 10:01 PM

Can i still enter this? I think i have a set up that might be able to beat the current electro champ... :D

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 10:04 PM

Yup, it's an open contest for bragging rights.

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 12:44 AM

I should have a video up by the end of the week. :)

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 10:15 AM

Would a pneumag/cocker be considered cheating? Sorry if it was already mentioned, I didn't feel like reading though all 34 pages.


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Angel a1 on uncapped ramping goes up to 58 bps apparently


doubt it even cycles that fast - and no, not with paint it doesn't. Feel free to give it a shot, follow the rules and post a video.


I should have a video up by the end of the week. :)


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Posted 22 January 2012 - 10:24 AM

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 10:34 AM

flamethrower! great for bunkering guys - but not very useful past 6'

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 01:10 PM

flamethrower! great for bunkering guys - but not very useful past 6'



Nice, nice, and is that really 2K output? That's going to be an extremely fast mag....
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Posted 22 January 2012 - 01:11 PM

don't forget the chrono shots.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 05:08 PM

Bryce this quality on this may be to bad. You can kinda see the stream. Its 360p unfortunately i dont have a HD camera. I dont think i beat the 26 bps anyways but could you try to goldwave it just to see what it capped out at? Ill have a ego9 at the end of this weekend. Im gonna try that and see if i can get faster. I thought i would have it by this weekend but i was not able to get it.


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Posted 23 January 2012 - 05:34 PM

schup - I won't post the waveform but there are a few chunks at 18 in there.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 06:08 PM

schup - I won't post the waveform but there are a few chunks at 18 in there.


Not to bad. About what i expected. Im gonna try to have another of a hopefully faster gun soon.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 12:50 AM

I'm pretty sure I could beat all of these numbers except the stock class if I had the time to put into acquiring the right markers.

*Edit* and the RT, I don't think I could beat that one

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 05:26 PM

Did people just give up on these numbers?

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 10:25 PM

I was just reading through this, very cool. Does anyone know how to answer why the Rotor is bottlenecking on high end electros and performing no where near its advertised bps?

Obviously dye is relying on that people don't want to shoot that fast anymore with capped psp, etc, still very disappointing :/

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 08:48 AM

According to hill,

"The current limiting factor to the average user in the speed king contest is the board programming. Not the hopper. I have shot a rotor at 35 bps with 4 batteries in it and 30 bps completely stock. If you want to shoot really fast all you need is a UT board and a (insert top end marker). The eye timing on most boards will not allow you to get faster than 26-28 bps even with a Q loader. I have seen a Q loader shoot 35+. Then you turn the eyes off and a 15 to 25 bps cap is imposed on the marker that you can not over ride.

Its not the eyes or the hopper being in sink, its the board programming in respect to minimum back pulse timing or ball in place eye delay times that the user has no way to adjust beyond a certain point. Yes thats right, even with the eyes off there is still back pulse delay times you cant adjust that limit how fast it will cycle. Unlike the UTB. which can go up to 50 bps eyes off. And many high end markers from the past will cycle in the 30s.

The reason the record is 26 and not way higher is a lack of competition."

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 08:56 AM

sounds like a lot of talk ^^^^

i get what he is saying, but lets see the video!
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Posted 02 April 2012 - 09:27 AM

sounds like a lot of talk ^^^^

i get what he is saying, but lets see the video!

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 09:55 AM

When you say "many high end markers from the past will cycle in the 30s,"
any ideas on when that cuttoff is, presumably when the manufactuerers moved away from caring about pure bps as the focus shifted to capped modes?

Also, I wonder if anyone has tried running a 9v battery in a rotor? If he's using 4 AA batteries thats 6v instead of the stock 4.5v.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 02:28 PM

Also, I wonder if anyone has tried running a 9v battery in a rotor? If he's using 4 AA batteries thats 6v instead of the stock 4.5v.

2 9volts, but you get the idea.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 02:34 PM


Also, I wonder if anyone has tried running a 9v battery in a rotor? If he's using 4 AA batteries thats 6v instead of the stock 4.5v.

2 9volts, but you get the idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mEjxiXcU4k

Lol yeah I'm guessing 18v will severly decrease the life of the electric motor rated for 4.5v, I would not recomend that. :P

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:39 AM

Lol yeah I'm guessing 18v will severly decrease the life of the electric motor rated for 4.5v, I would not recomend that. :P

It looks like the batteries are wired in parallel, which means it is 9v and not 18v.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 06:59 PM

It seems a lot of people gave up on this, but I still find it interesting and I think we can still get better numbers, especially in the elctro category. I was thinking while watching a video that Cockerpunk posted a long time ago about the Rainmaker. He talks about dwell and its effect on top cycle speed. My Vice runs on 5ms dwell so its cycle time should be remarkably fast and with a fresh pillow in my pillow bolt and the fact that I run my LPR at 68psi should prevent breaks. Right now my only limiting factor is that I only have a Pinokio and Reloader B, I'm not sure which will be faster. Any ideas? I figure a q-loader would probably be the best for this competition.

PS: anybody have any experience with the upgrade board for the Pinokio that the folks over there sell, the claim it increases the bps by reasonable number and I am interested to heard someone's experience with it shooting uncapped.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 01:15 AM

Idk...I can get this azodin kaos to shoot pretty damn fast after I've had a few redbulls (; lol
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:11 AM

Back from the dead!

Has anybody else seen these Dye vids from a few years back? They claim 40bps with a rotor and a modified DM8 with the eyes turned off. I'm not sure if it would count because there are no chrono shots.





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Posted 10 March 2013 - 09:28 AM

Back from the dead!

Has anybody else seen these Dye vids from a few years back? They claim 40bps with a rotor and a modified DM8 with the eyes turned off. I'm not sure if it would count because there are no chrono shots.





yes, I have seen them. I've been curious what they did to the gun and loader.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 08:45 PM

Is this challenge still going?




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