The Eternal Tippmann vs. Spyder Debate
Posted 30 September 2008 - 07:58 AM
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Posted 30 September 2008 - 08:04 AM
+ Spyder, speedball-markers, cheaper, high ROF out of the box.
For woods and scenario Spyder cannot even compete.
For speedball Tippmann has nothing.
Posted 30 September 2008 - 08:43 AM
Posted 30 September 2008 - 09:09 AM
OK, let's get this started. First, DO NOT post a reply stating simply "Spyders are better". That just pisses everyone off. Give us actual reasons. WHY is Tippmann better than Spyder? Convince the other guys. Now, which is better: Tippmann or Spyder?
Tippmans are naturally guns made for woodsball and scenario play. They have the reliability, looks, upgrades, and feel that a true woodsball player would want in his gun.
Spyders are more for speedball they have better electronics and rof. But thne again Spyders arent that reliable, and dont have great accuracy.
Truthfully i play speedball and i would take a tippy with and egrip over a spyder anyday. But then again i havent tried spyders new line of guns like the 08 pilot and electra so spyder may have something there.
In the end it really comes down to personally prefrefference
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Posted 30 September 2008 - 01:46 PM
though tippy's have legendary reliability (look at the pro-carbine, you can drag it through a swamp with an atv and it would still shoot) spyders are not unreliable markers. actually they are very reliable because of their simplicity. you have one 0-ring to lube, that you can access in about 10 seconds, with no tools. and frankly if you can;t take care of your marker you shouldn't have one.
and lastly it is estimated that about 33% of all paintball players have bought a spyder. thats what i call huge market share.
Posted 30 September 2008 - 02:19 PM
My first gun was a spyder imagine '04. It sucked balls! Out of the two years I had it, it shot well maybe 3-4 times. It chopped, had barrel breaks, constantly had to be fixed, and was over all a piece of crap. A few months ago I bough my step dad a tippmann 98. It is waaaaay better than the spyder. In 2-3 cases it has NEVER chopped one ball and hasn't had even one barrel break. It is super tough and reliable. Thats what I have concluded from my experience. Tippmann over Spyder.
Posted 30 September 2008 - 02:21 PM
Posted 30 September 2008 - 04:42 PM
Posted 30 September 2008 - 04:57 PM
Posted 30 September 2008 - 05:07 PM
Posted 30 September 2008 - 05:15 PM
I think Tippmann's are better. I would take a 98 to a day of play before I would a Spyder. Why? Tippmann's are just cool.
Tippmann pistol FTW!
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Posted 30 September 2008 - 05:30 PM
Posted 30 September 2008 - 05:31 PM
yeah... the captain plays too : )
Posted 30 September 2008 - 05:33 PM
You wouldn't ever have to field strip a tippmann 98. lol
I've seen people play with rental 98c that are 7 years old and still working.
Posted 30 September 2008 - 05:49 PM
My A5 has never failed me, and its quiet too (for a spring based high pressure poppet valve gun)
Ive used it (with many ups) in a division 2 tourney, and it blew away shockers dm5's, and ego6's. to this day, it is the backup to my proto m8
specs on a5-
low pressure kit
egrip w/ ape board
jcs duel trigger
best gun for 150$
and yes, you can field strip one in 5 mins
Posted 30 September 2008 - 06:00 PM
tippy:durale,acurat,light,cool lookin,alot of upgrades
if you are woodsball a tippy will be good if speed or air ball a spyder
Posted 30 September 2008 - 06:18 PM
Posted 30 September 2008 - 07:11 PM
Posted 30 September 2008 - 07:26 PM
i like the tippmann. i like it for itz looks, customization, accuracy, FLATLINE, E grip, and comfortable.
i have used a tippmann with cyclone feed sp barral and e grip and pwned people in speedball and woods
YES SPEEDBALL the E grip relly brings up the game in tippmanns so overall tippmann.
ok now for spyders not really that customizable with the machanical ones have a tonnn of kick i mean i sware i blink every time i shoot one of these thing not jokeing. on the other hand the electronic ones the rocking trigger amaizing super light pull although i head it has 2 contact points so you cant use it in torniments thats just what i heard though. i also dont like how i see every body with elbows on the spyders because of the feed neck. the gun overall is very reliable. it has cool color disine on some of them as the tippmanns really only come in black i gess because of the tippmann woods ball thing.
well thats my review and i go with tippmann all the way more bang for your buck cause you can turn it into anything you want
Posted 30 September 2008 - 07:40 PM
My personal prefrance is spyder. proably cause i own one... But I plan on Buying a Tippman 98 in the future probably because of what i read on them.
They are both good gun brands... and they both are keep growing.
Also I think tippmans dont have as many models because well they dont need them Just look at all the people with a-5s and 98s There happy and very pleased with it arent they? so why get rid of what people like and Make a gun that no one likes?
Posted 30 September 2008 - 09:43 PM
to the claims that tippmans are super customizable, spyders are exceptionally customizable too. go over to the kingman forum on PBN and take a gander at the spyder of the month thread.
Posted 30 September 2008 - 09:44 PM
Posted 30 September 2008 - 10:23 PM
Posted 01 October 2008 - 05:34 AM
Fast Out of the box
Medium and Light Weight)
Sometimes Manufactured Poorly
Stock Barrels are cheap
On most models, the Front grips are farther away from the trigger frame, making them larger
(Balanced between Medium and Light Weight)
Great Scenario Guns
Often very indestructable
Time Consuming Cleaning Process (Due to realistic and Intracate designs)
There is no real Better of the two, they are both good guns, i would highly recommend as starter guns.
Even though there cannot be a better of the two i favor the Spyder due to its style
Posted 01 October 2008 - 07:32 PM
pull pin bolt- easy field cleaning
cheap for amount of extras
air up feedtube problems
plastic elbow (on some)
off set feedneck- can sight down top.
markers are long
expensive for a simple mech.
off set feedneck- slower feeding, exposed hopper
Posted 01 October 2008 - 07:57 PM
tippman all the way
Posted 01 October 2008 - 08:56 PM
Posted 01 October 2008 - 09:35 PM
easy to maintian
looks (but thats an opinion)
less kick (if you care)
new ones come low pressure
new ones better feednecks
more recocking issues
more up gradeable (sp?)
Dont need to maintain as much
slower but does this really matter?
its still not LP stock
harder to take apart.
Posted 02 October 2008 - 01:12 PM
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Posted 02 October 2008 - 10:10 PM
On my A-5 I can remove the tombstone & pull two quick strip pins & have my internals out in under 10 seconds as well.
tippmann easier to take apart? are you joking? you can pop the internals out of a spyder in two movements that take 10 secs at the most. i doubt tippmanns have a tool less basic field strip that takes less than 10 sec. i've actualy popped out my bolt and pulled a squeegee through my spyder during a woodsball game. i doubt you could do that on a tippy.
My A-5 is 18 months old, the previous owner had it just as long - not a single issue for either of us. The Ape e-grip claims 25+ bps I think, which isn't shabby (my pre-was is at 13, good luck running thru that). As far as customization - it depends on what you are upgrading. There are enough aesthetic upgrades for the 98/A-5/X7 to bury a small country. Spyder, as much as the modders may try, can't compete in that area. As far as internals, tests have concluded that there aren't really any worthwhile upgrades for the tippy internals (w/ the exception of the cyclone) - while the Spyder can be upgraded.
I am in no way a tippmann fan boy, nor do I have any grand dilusions that they are the greatest marker of all time. I can easily admit that there are a large number of better performing markers out there, and some of them may be made by Spyder. But for me & my experiences, my A-5 is my choice, because in the end it's all about personal preference.
Posted 15 October 2008 - 06:49 PM
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 07:13 PM
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