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#1 betasniper

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 02:16 AM

So, with some guns breaking the case per fill mark, We may reach a point where large air bottles are no longer needed and all the air can be stored in the gun. How will we play without an air tank acting as a stock? Will we come up with a better loader (like a Q) to take the place of the once needed air tank? Or will we just hold the marker like normal without a stock? Please voice your opinions. (good or bad, I don't really mind)
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 02:25 AM

i dont even think thats possible..
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 02:28 AM

I personally don't see anything like this happening very soon. Unless the industry switches over to some other type of propellant. It might just be my lack of imagination but I don't know how much more effeciency you can get out of compressed air so that it could all be stored in the gun. I know it can be stored in the gun, but I mean enough so that you can get more than a few hundred shots. If anything propane might be the most likely thing to head in that direction (if it hasn't already) I don't honestly know.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 02:31 AM

Hmm. Lets assume propane. That seems like the most likely candidate other than CO2.
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 02:57 AM

They did make a really trash gun that didn't need an air tank.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 03:08 AM

Not Bad, but only 500 shots. I mean something useful like 1500 or 2000. Just like a normal paintball gun without the 3lb air tank.
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 03:29 AM

Well im no scientist but im sure theres a standard minimum limit to the amount of air necessary to propel a ball and a limit to how far air can be safely compressed in paintball. Meaning that while guns are getting more efficient they're not going to become magical.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 03:35 AM

Only way to store a lot of air in a small volume is to store it under very high pressure. 4500 PSI is already pretty high pressure, higher pressures than that need to be properly contained or else you have a grenade basically.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 03:48 AM

The only way you can truly do that is to get incredibly high pressure and 4500psi is already incredibly scary to me. 4500psi can easily kill you if it blows up right imagine what 10000 psi would and it would be easier to make that go than 4500 because there is even more stress. You could technically do propane though idk how much propane pushes a paintball. The whole marker would need to be designed, it would not be controlled with electronics ( well not in the way they are now). Beside combustion is incredibly power inefficient (I know this because im a potato launcher maker and compressed air has so many more advantages). Its cool to think about but everyone would just add stocks on their marker adding weight on it again. Overall i do not see it happening, its just so impractical.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 04:45 AM

You could technically do propane though idk how much propane pushes a paintball.



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Posted 20 November 2010 - 07:36 AM

the only way to do that would be to do what real firearms have done, and that is to use gunpowder in our paintballs. which doesn't seem practical, or possible :)

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:28 PM

Look at airsoft. The electro's that they use basically take in surrounding air, and compress it to shoot the 6 MM bb. So, how big would one of those types of system have to be to shoot a .68 paintball?

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 01:09 PM

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 01:10 PM

^link? Or pic.
I haven't seen what one looks like.
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 01:23 PM

^link? Or pic.
I haven't seen what one looks like.



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Posted 20 November 2010 - 01:46 PM

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 02:23 PM

Um, any stock class gun?

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 02:38 PM

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 02:55 PM

Join the military. it's called simunition and it hurts like a bitch.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 02:58 PM

Join the military. it's called simunition and it hurts like a bitch.



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Posted 20 November 2010 - 04:18 PM

the only way to do that would be to do what real firearms have done, and that is to use gunpowder in our paintballs. which doesn't seem practical, or possible Posted Image


Some earlier paintball guns used gunpowder to propel the paintball. It shot hot though, and i forgot why it was phased out, but you can imagine reasons why. It was made here in canada.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 04:41 PM


the only way to do that would be to do what real firearms have done, and that is to use gunpowder in our paintballs. which doesn't seem practical, or possible Posted Image


Some earlier paintball guns used gunpowder to propel the paintball. It shot hot though, and i forgot why it was phased out, but you can imagine reasons why. It was made here in canada.



The reason why it shot hot is because you can not control combustion at all. Pneumatics is way way more consistent since you can regulate it and its always going to shoot the same. You cant be 100% sure that all of the gun powder is going to ignite. I suck at chemistry so I cant tell you the exact reason why but I remember learning it, but its just another reason why combustion probably shouldnt be used.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 05:00 PM

I don't mind using air tanks. I also don't see air tanks becoming totally obsolete because we have a hopper full of paintballs, and paintballs are pretty big, and air is a safe way of propelling those balls. It's also easy to find places to fill up an air tank.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 06:32 PM

the only way to do that would be to do what real firearms have done, and that is to use gunpowder in our paintballs. which doesn't seem practical, or possible :)


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Posted 20 November 2010 - 10:58 PM

I just realized that there IS a gun that uses it




wanna guess? nothing? really? think about it, still nothing?




You don't

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 11:00 PM

That will NEVER happen, the amount of air inside a gun is good for 4 shots TOPS, if there was a way to store 1k psi in a reg or something and be safe maybe...but still most people shoot 3 pods a game.

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 02:55 AM

Storing 4500 psi in a paintball marker is a HUGE safety hazard.
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Posted 21 November 2010 - 03:48 AM

I just realized that there IS a gun that uses it




wanna guess? nothing? really? think about it, still nothing?




You don't


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Posted 21 November 2010 - 07:01 AM

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 09:05 AM

I don't think this could happen...
But they would probably just build a stock type thing on guns, and it would be very very light
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Posted 21 November 2010 - 02:08 PM

If the game changes and everyone is using something like first strike then I could see everyone using smaller tanks or maybe guns holding enough air for that but otherwise the tank is here to stay. Propane wouldn't be that practical in a semi because the marker would heat up to fast.



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Posted 21 November 2010 - 08:04 PM

That electric design would probably work a lot better with a .50cal conversion and become much more efficient. Bass turds stole my idea!
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Posted 21 November 2010 - 09:40 PM

the only thing i could see is the tanks getting lighter

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 11:20 PM

You could technically do propane though idk how much propane pushes a paintball.



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