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#51 Dominerva210

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 10:57 PM

the only WGP gun i like is the Orracle.... its simple, not overly milled, and the lines just flow on it... with that being said though, i love the aggressive milling on the gen4 and e-series SFL's... its organic yet it looks like its ready to punch your opponents in the face... where as the the DC2, and other nexus guns, remind me of f1 cars... they are just waiting to be unleashed, light and tight and fast.....


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Posted 05 June 2011 - 01:38 AM

ugh how could you not love the karni, orry, vertebrate?

jmj is still sexy though. I love plainness as much as extensiveness if not more, round body merlin hell yes.

Karni's not bad, but its theme is incomplete. Cool scales on the back, cool scales on the bottom... but then it's just "blah autococker" on the rest. Why stop there? I think BL did a much better job creating an organic theme with the Dragon Timmys, Ripper, etc. Vert's are meh - the bone structure milling doesn't fit the idea of a marker, or the flow of the autococker. They just put bones on the side with very little rhyme/reason. It's like a kindergartner with crayons just slapped some on there because they thought it would look cool. Orry's are bland, and I'm not a fan of full-body cockers in general. Midblock/halfblock to me is a much smarter design.

See the thing is that I'm a cocker fan, but I'm pragmatic about it. I prefer function over raw form. I didn't get a BM body because I like Black Magics or BM Milling. I got one because it was the cheapest factory mid-block body available.

the only WGP gun i like is the Orracle.... its simple, not overly milled, and the lines just flow on it... with that being said though, i love the aggressive milling on the gen4 and e-series SFL's... its organic yet it looks like its ready to punch your opponents in the face... where as the the DC2, and other nexus guns, remind me of f1 cars... they are just waiting to be unleashed, light and tight and fast.....

I don't like the Shocktech SFL. It's screems "NIKE" in your face with that massive shocktech logo across the whole side of the body. The milling isn't even all that novel - it's a minor side cut with the logo CNC'd in. Same with the E-series SFL too. Fireball Mountain did WAY more novel work with their sleeved work liek the Cobra bodies. DC2 milling is clean, but even that's not very daring or innovative. The JMJ featherlite is a novel concept because they took it down to the minimum - nothing more than what you need to make it work, and that's a badass idea.

When it comes to the CSL, well, I like it, but its a pretty snobbish marker really. In essence, its like the Ego, its pretty mainstream. But hey, I might sound radical, but I love Eclipse, but even you buy an Ego or a SL/SCL version it just still is a pretty mainstream marker, since everyone is using it.

But thats why I like oldschool markers, its a bit different, its classy, its special and you go against the boring mainstream flow. but even that Im a cocker fanatic, I really dig when people play with their old Intimidators, vintage DMs, Automags etc, its just much more cooler than the average guy with their newer Egos or DMs..
But thats just my opinion.

Don't take this personally but, come off it - DC2's are every bit as snobbish as a CSL, minus the practicality of using it in a modern tournament setting. People who are hating on Egos because everyone else is using one... that's every bit as silly as skinny-jean girl-pants wearing emo hipsters bitching about bands nobody's heard of while they sip free-trade vegan coffee on their fixie bikes. Getting elitist about a DC2 over a CSL is snobbish for snobbery's sake. Also frankly, the eye logic is shit on any of the stock cocker boards. Not as shitty as a cocker T-board, but you can't deny that ROF capping an E2 is still an exercise in crippling the firing cycle so that it will stay under the ROF cap instead of a true ROF cap like on modern boards.

i love old school guns, much like you jon i am a cocker fanatic... a mech cocker was my first true high end (kapp lava cocker),*etc* i know that if i am at an event , and one of my cockers decides it doesnt want to play, i can go pick up my ego and it will shoot every time...the dm8, well, at the time i wanted to try out a spool, *etc*
i dont like cookie cutter guns... and while some cockers in my mind are cookie cutter guns (most of WGPs stuff) i will still still shoot them over todays stuff, simply because it has more character...

Yep, I have a very similar story to you - my first highend was a L7 automag. I shoot cockers because they're fun to use, and fun to tinker with, but if I actually want to spend all day playing without caring I have no qualms about taking the cocker and stuffing it back in my gun bag to pull out something more bulletproof. Oddly enough I find that my DM7 has always been more reliable and easier on paint than my Egos in the past. I've owned enough e-cockers to know that they eventually eat parts in ways that no other marker does. (Pump arms, rams, bolt pins etc.)

I bought a CSL because I can, and because like Jack Wood said it's the first time where there's nothing else to "upgrade." Not the ASA, not the board, not the barrel kit... And I can appreciate that. IMHO the CSL is the top of the tech curve for stacked-tube poppets, with the design concept taking reliability and tune-ability into consideration while also retaining the ability to be the highest performing (raw speed) marker it can. I mean, other than price, can you really find any faults with the design and features of an Ego 11 or CSL?

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Such a cool idea. It's a shame that he did them so recklessly. Rumor is that he was practically doing them on a table saw... no measurements at all.

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 02:40 AM

for me, cockers are mostly fun guns... i have shot then in tournaments, i will continue to do so... and my DC2 (soon to be 2) is a dream come true... its one of those markers that i fell in love with at first sight and have wanted one ever since... but when it comes to reliability, modern guns beat cockers anyday.... which is why i keep my DM8 and Vego11 in teh gear bag at all times...


and nicely put CL... i agree with all that you said about the CSL and the ego11, its not the milling that bothers me, or the price, its mostly the colors that PE chose this year... yes, the milling isnt the bes ti have seen, but it works for the body, and looks light as hell.... but the colors jsut turn me off on it completly... but, i like how Jack and PE have said its a choice....

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 05:19 PM

meh to each his own, i need to pick me up a modern high end the newest gun i own is from 05 XD

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 05:41 PM

and nicely put CL... i agree with all that you said about the CSL and the ego11, its not the milling that bothers me, or the price, its mostly the colors that PE chose this year... yes, the milling isnt the bes ti have seen, but it works for the body, and looks light as hell.... but the colors jsut turn me off on it completly... but, i like how Jack and PE have said its a choice....


Yeah, Panther was pretty much the only choice for me.

meh to each his own, i need to pick me up a modern high end the newest gun i own is from 05 XD


Unless there's some feature you want like self-cleaning eyes, all you need is a modern board that can be programmed to conform to whatever rules you're playing with. I think that past 2006/2007 the markers definitely plateaued in how fast the new tech and new innovations came. Past 2007 the newer tech moved in much smaller steps, like the Ego Star bolt -> Cure bolt was a huge change, but cure -> c2 -> c3 was much more subtle. Same with the DM self-cleaning eyes. DM5->dm6 was revolutionary, and again dm6 -> dm7, but dm7 -> dm8 -> dm9 ->dm10 the changes in the eye pipe were minimal, and mostly changed how the detent system worked.

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 10:47 PM

i just want to compile my guns into one if you know what i mean, if i can s/t the three im looking to get rid of i can get one simple solid gun, IE a closer or something of the sort i just love those guns

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Posted 06 June 2011 - 09:41 PM

mauhaha hahh a hahahhahah

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Posted 06 June 2011 - 11:11 PM

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:35 AM

How about now?

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:37 AM

Much better.

Is that functional, or just for shits'n'giggles? I always thought CCMs were incompatable with front blocks.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:48 AM

Yep. It's functional :)

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 01:12 AM

what triggers fit the eclipse frame or more specifically the carnivore trigger frame? Also anyone know where I can find karnivor style asa's?

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 02:43 AM

what triggers fit the eclipse frame or more specifically the carnivore trigger frame? Also anyone know where I can find karnivor style asa's?


Karnivores use the WGP Worrblade, which uses E1-style triggers.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 02:50 AM

I'm sure you could find the karni-asa's on www.paintballgateway.com

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 03:04 AM

How about now?

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 03:09 AM

I'm sure you could find the karni-asa's on www.paintballgateway.com


sadly no I can't :( but I did find some samurai triggers on ebay :D

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 03:10 AM

The start of my little project here :D (not the frame that's supposed to be used on it), no feedneck, waiting for a few bits and pieces still :D

But here goes:

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 03:14 AM

i always wanted to turnan s6 into an e-cocker....
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Posted 07 June 2011 - 03:15 AM

Can all CCMs take front blocks? I though I read something somewhere that said they wouldn't fit most of them.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 03:29 AM

i was always told the S6 has to me milled and tapped to fit a 2k+ front block and banjo bolt... could have been false info though
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Posted 07 June 2011 - 03:48 AM



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Posted 07 June 2011 - 04:03 AM

Awesome vid, as always. :tup:

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 04:06 AM

Thanks, mate! :)

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 04:22 AM

i am gonna come to norway to play one of these days mate...


edit: awesome vid as always... were you using ramping and classic that day?

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 04:26 AM

Nice, we do have something on the roll with this field, the sports club are planning to convert the field to a turf field and maybe we can play there on a longterm basis!!

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 04:46 AM

looks like a nice wide open field... i hate cluttered fields....

also, dont forget your American Experience trip next season....
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Posted 07 June 2011 - 05:03 AM

Its big and nice yes :)

I'll take the trip to Yankeeland next season :)

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 05:13 AM

i want a new mech or e cocker, gah....
edit, is this turtle cocker worth the cost? http://www.p8ntballe...d-Turtle-cocker ??? ignor the viking as its sold :(

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 08:47 AM

I get busy, and when I come back there is a new thread? Fun stuff. I'm not sure, but I think that I need to remove the white spacer on my mQ. With it at 4ms I can't shoot under 340fps, and at 3ms I get shoot down like crazy. Thoughts? I'm still running an E1 board as I have yet to upgrade to an e2
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Posted 07 June 2011 - 09:41 AM

turtle cockers, from what i am told, and what little experience i have with them, they dont shoot right... the timing is off on them... and they are hard to keep in time... something with the sled was always off with them... i wouldent wate my time with it.... unless someone here knows how to fix it.. you would be better off with a racegun or an HMCL custom, lol
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Posted 07 June 2011 - 10:20 AM

Nah, R-Long (Turtle) and JCurt were working off the same measurements. The bigger problem was that R-Long was a flaky machinist and would frequently disappear with peoples work unfinished/un-returned to their owners. That particular one looks like the measurements are off - the top tube is awfully short compared to other halfblock cockers. I would skip it both because of those measurement concerns and also because of the price being too high. Turtle's not some brand of rarity/collect-ability, and that's not an "original turtle" body either. It's just been halfblocked.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:54 PM

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 05:51 PM

I have been told from the last owner it should be like that, to prevent snapping and stripping the thread, but I dunno...

Edit : I couldnt turn it more in, but I added some teflon tape around the threads, its alot better now, its a little give in it, I dont want to have it too tight.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 10:06 PM

Found the new thread, I got a real job finally, what new cocker should i go hunting for. That green sfl is hot, maybe a karnivore?
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Posted 08 June 2011 - 02:36 AM

I get busy, and when I come back there is a new thread? Fun stuff. I'm not sure, but I think that I need to remove the white spacer on my mQ. With it at 4ms I can't shoot under 340fps, and at 3ms I get shoot down like crazy. Thoughts? I'm still running an E1 board as I have yet to upgrade to an e2


lower your hpr lol?

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 02:41 AM

lower your hpr lol?


Its low enough

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 02:58 AM


lower your hpr lol?


Its low enough


quote fail on my part haha

but sick vid and as to the ram thing ive heard some people say that but if your lpr is set right it should be ok but hey its whatever you choose.

Found the new thread, I got a real job finally, what new cocker should i go hunting for. That green sfl is hot, maybe a karnivore?


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Posted 08 June 2011 - 03:03 AM

Stop spelling Karnivor wrong.. It's annoying.

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 03:13 AM

Stop spelling Karnivor wrong.. It's annoying.


what you talkin bout willis?

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 03:17 AM

@ABOMBER:

Found the new thread, I got a real job finally, what new cocker should i go hunting for. That green sfl is hot, maybe a karnivore?


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Posted 08 June 2011 - 03:41 AM



lower your hpr lol?


Its low enough


quote fail on my part haha

but sick vid and as to the ram thing ive heard some people say that but if your lpr is set right it should be ok but hey its whatever you choose.



Thanks! Its just what the last owner said, its supposed to have abit give in it, but again, this time the ram did vibrate alot. But the LPR is set quite ok, not too soft, not too hard.

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 04:05 AM

i mean have it nice and snug with the lpr right :P

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 04:33 AM

Hehe :D

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 04:43 AM

well it looks like im playing this weekend, but i can't pick a gun and my evo has odd fireing noid issues... in that it won't click with the grips on(or i have to take them off)
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Posted 08 June 2011 - 01:49 PM

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 08:24 PM

Sorry for the misspelling RMI.

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 10:54 PM

Sorry for the misspelling RMI.

A merlin you say. How intriguing.


yeah a sweet full body merlin

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 11:58 PM

how about a merlin based Powerlyte Hybrid....
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Posted 09 June 2011 - 12:48 AM

ugh. Powerlyte is meh.

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