ugh how could you not love the karni, orry, vertebrate?
jmj is still sexy though. I love plainness as much as extensiveness if not more, round body merlin hell yes.
Karni's not bad, but its theme is incomplete. Cool scales on the back, cool scales on the bottom... but then it's just "blah autococker" on the rest. Why stop there? I think BL did a much better job creating an organic theme with the Dragon Timmys, Ripper, etc. Vert's are meh - the bone structure milling doesn't fit the idea of a marker, or the flow of the autococker. They just put bones on the side with very little rhyme/reason. It's like a kindergartner with crayons just slapped some on there because they thought it would look cool. Orry's are bland, and I'm not a fan of full-body cockers in general. Midblock/halfblock to me is a much smarter design.
See the thing is that I'm a cocker fan, but I'm pragmatic about it. I prefer function over raw form. I didn't get a BM body because I like Black Magics or BM Milling. I got one because it was the cheapest factory mid-block body available.
the only WGP gun i like is the Orracle.... its simple, not overly milled, and the lines just flow on it... with that being said though, i love the aggressive milling on the gen4 and e-series SFL's... its organic yet it looks like its ready to punch your opponents in the face... where as the the DC2, and other nexus guns, remind me of f1 cars... they are just waiting to be unleashed, light and tight and fast.....
I don't like the Shocktech SFL. It's screems "NIKE" in your face with that massive shocktech logo across the whole side of the body. The milling isn't even all that novel - it's a minor side cut with the logo CNC'd in. Same with the E-series SFL too. Fireball Mountain did WAY more novel work with their sleeved work liek the Cobra bodies. DC2 milling is clean, but even that's not very daring or innovative. The JMJ featherlite is a novel concept because they took it down to the minimum - nothing more than what you need to make it work, and that's a badass idea.
When it comes to the CSL, well, I like it, but its a pretty snobbish marker really. In essence, its like the Ego, its pretty mainstream. But hey, I might sound radical, but I love Eclipse, but even you buy an Ego or a SL/SCL version it just still is a pretty mainstream marker, since everyone is using it.
But thats why I like oldschool markers, its a bit different, its classy, its special and you go against the boring mainstream flow. but even that Im a cocker fanatic, I really dig when people play with their old Intimidators, vintage DMs, Automags etc, its just much more cooler than the average guy with their newer Egos or DMs..
But thats just my opinion.
Don't take this personally but, come off it
- DC2's are every bit as snobbish as a CSL, minus the practicality of using it in a modern tournament setting. People who are hating on Egos because everyone else is using one... that's every bit as silly as skinny-jean girl-pants wearing emo hipsters bitching about bands nobody's heard of while they sip free-trade vegan coffee on their fixie bikes. Getting elitist about a DC2 over a CSL is snobbish for snobbery's sake. Also frankly, the eye logic is shit on any of the stock cocker boards. Not as shitty as a cocker T-board, but you can't deny that ROF capping an E2 is still an exercise in crippling the firing cycle so that it will stay under the ROF cap instead of a true ROF cap like on modern boards.
i love old school guns, much like you jon i am a cocker fanatic... a mech cocker was my first true high end (kapp lava cocker),*etc* i know that if i am at an event , and one of my cockers decides it doesnt want to play, i can go pick up my ego and it will shoot every time...the dm8, well, at the time i wanted to try out a spool, *etc*
i dont like cookie cutter guns... and while some cockers in my mind are cookie cutter guns (most of WGPs stuff) i will still still shoot them over todays stuff, simply because it has more character...
Yep, I have a very similar story to you - my first highend was a L7 automag. I shoot cockers because they're fun to use, and fun to tinker with, but if I actually want to spend all day playing without caring I have no qualms about taking the cocker and stuffing it back in my gun bag to pull out something more bulletproof. Oddly enough I find that my DM7 has always been more reliable and easier on paint than my Egos in the past. I've owned enough e-cockers to know that they eventually eat parts in ways that no other marker does. (Pump arms, rams, bolt pins etc.)
I bought a CSL because I can, and because like Jack Wood said it's the first time where there's nothing else to "upgrade." Not the ASA, not the board, not the barrel kit... And I can appreciate that. IMHO the CSL is the top of the tech curve for stacked-tube poppets, with the design concept taking reliability and tune-ability into consideration while also retaining the ability to be the highest performing (raw speed) marker it can. I mean, other than price, can you really find any faults with the design and features of an Ego 11 or CSL?
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Such a cool idea. It's a shame that he did them so recklessly. Rumor is that he was practically doing them on a table saw... no measurements at all.