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#1 Hebiki

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 12:16 PM

Time to start this baby up........ all MacDev owners come join the Militia. :tup:

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  • To join, post a pic of your Macdev marker..... either in action or not. As long as we know its yours. If I miss you, PM me and I'll add you.
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 12:21 PM

O-Rings:
http://macdevmilitia...hread.php?tid=9

CloneGT FAQ:

  • Maintainence of the GT drivetrain is identical to the CloneVX
  • Drivetrain comparison of the VX and GT in the Photos Section. :)

Just a heads up on future gt users buying NIB from the factory.

There have been some reports on firing/veolicity issues as a result of the break in period.

If your velocity decreases after leaving it aired up, just slowly increase the hpr until it returns to normal. Eventually as it breaks in, it won't become an issue anymore.

That said, I haven't experienced anything like it right now.



CloneVX FAQ:

How to maintain you clone/clone VX drivetrain

A lot of people think clones are extremely high maintainence markers that are difficult to service. That can't be further from the truth. There are only a few o-rings that you have to maintain and you don't have to constantly lube them after day's worth of play. Macdev recommends you maintain it after 10,000 shots, which is like 5 cases worth of paint.

A few things to know before we start:

1. READ YOUR MANUAL- A portion of the problems you encounter can be solved by looking at.it. Also PAY attention to the drivetrain diagram. It shows the exact order of the parts to put it back together as well as how those parts should look when putting it back. If you can't put it back, check the diagram to make sure.

2. DO NOT OVERLUBE THE DRIVETRAIN- This is probably where most people go wrong. There are 2 reasons why you don't want to overlube: one, it's extra work you don't need to do and two, it affects the drivetrain performance. There are some places you could lube more, which I'll mention later, but the general rule of thumb is to make sure what you lube looks wet. If you can see extra lube, you know you've gone too far.

So without further ado, let's begin.

Important Parts


This is your drivetrain:

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Mines is the VX drivetrain, which is the latest version at this time. Earlier versions might look different but the essential oring components are still the same.

These are the parts that have the important orings for service.

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They are from top to bottom, left to right: Bolt Keg, Bolt, Spacer, Valve, Powertube. Again forgive the quality but I couldn't get the right lighting.


Bolt Keg Orings


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See that oring on the inside of the bolt keg? That's the only oring you should worry about maintaining. It's a standard size 17 BN70 oring that you can get at most oring places like oringmonkey. If you're leaking in the front, this is probably the cause. Don't worry about the other orings as they are immobile; they will rarely wear out unless your lucky, or unlucky in this case. Macdev also recommends you slightly lube the inside of the bolt keg as well.


Bolt Orings


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Basically the most important oring is the one smack dab in the center of the bolt. It's called the bolt switch oring and is 16 BN70 standard size. If your having leaks near the solenoid this is probably the main culprit. This along with the orings from the valve and powertube will cause like 90% of the problems with the drivetrain, so make sure you keep a good eye on it. Macdev also mentions to lube the bolt in addition to the oring.


Spacer Orings

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There are only 2 orings on the spacer. Both are 17 BN70 and both require lubrication from time to time. I've heard someone had inconsistant velocity drops during high rates of fire because they lack one of these orings, so it would be best not to ignore them.


Valve Orings

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Ok now we're going to the heart of the matter. In the bolt section, I mentioned 3 things that cause 90% of the problems: the bolt switch oring, valve and powertube. Of those 3, a good portion of that 90% will come from something happening to the valve, especially the middle oring. If you see any wear in that middle oring or the other rings: REPLACE THEM IMMEDIATELY. Your efficiency is mostly tied to those orings and they tend to receive most of the wear and tear. These orings wearing and tearing are one of the main reasons why there are so many versions of the clone; Macdev had to update the valve as well as the valve keg because of the frequency these orings were wearing out. While the VX drive solved that from happening too frequently, those orings will still wear out quicker than most in the drivetrain. PAY ATTENTION TO THEM. If you ever have a problem with performance, this is the first place I'd check. If you ever want to use more lube in a macdev marker, this would be the place to start. The orings in the middle and the side of the valve toward the spacer are 17X1 BN70 metric orings and the oring on the side closer to the powertube is a 15X1 BN70 metric as well. Macdev also recommends you lube the inside of both the valve and valve keg as well.


Powertube Orings

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The second most cause of problems next to the valve. If the valve is ok and you still have problems or leaks, this is the next place to check. The reason is that most of the air passes through the powertube, which causes it to blew away most of the lube on the rings and wearing them out quickly. Because of how air constaintly passes through you want to lube the rings as heavily as the valve, maybe even moreso. Again if your problems are not caused by the valve, it's probably this instead. The 2 orings you have to lube are the mid oring, which is a 10X1 BN70 metric oring and the tip oring, which is 11 BN70 standard size. The tip oring is the one that get's dry the most, so concentrate most of the lubing efforts into that oring.

Once you've done that,congratulations as you have maintained your drivetrain. Be sure to put it back and get ready to mow some people at the field.


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Posted 01 August 2011 - 12:26 PM

So close to first post, now you've made me sad :(

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 12:51 PM

So close to first post, now you've made me sad :(


hahaha.. why dont you send me your victory so i can take some pix of it? :P

im just waiting for my Vice President to check in.....

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 12:52 PM


So close to first post, now you've made me sad :(


hahaha.. why dont you send me your victory so i can take some pix of it? :P

im just waiting for my Vice President to check in.....

How about you send me that Clone of your so I can show you how bad I am at taking photos? :D

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 12:54 PM

Can i Haz council
Ill post a picture and Video when I get the Chance

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 12:55 PM

Here is a shooting vid of my Droid:



1 of 10 dust black factory anno Droid, with Tadao Yakuza OLED, XXX bolt, and a extra gold bolt.

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 01:02 PM

Here is a shooting vid of my Droid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ys2P_Oqb8

1 of 10 dust black factory anno Droid, with Tadao Yakuza OLED, XXX bolt, and a extra gold bolt.


sweeeet. welcome aboard mr. VP. lol

Can i Haz council
Ill post a picture and Video when I get the Chance

V2 Clone with VX Internals and Gold Bolt


need that pix..and after 7 days if you have the 3rd highest post count (im pretty sure MZinCamo and I will be top 2)... you can have council. :tup:

otherwise... welcome aboard.

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 01:05 PM

Oh I forgot I have a violet trigger too...haha.

I love my Droid. So smooth, and it can get 10 pods and a hopper :)

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 01:07 PM

I'll be joining after world cup.:tup: Really planning on getting the drone dx.
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 04:01 PM

I'll be joining after world cup.:tup: Really planning on getting the drone dx.


me too... need a back up :)

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 04:48 PM

I'll be joining after world cup.:tup: Really planning on getting the drone dx.



Should be a great shooter. It's basically a Droid drivetrain in a Clone body, w/ some Droid parts mixed and matched.

Considering Droids get 1500 shots, and Clones look sexy, I would definitely buy it if it was more rare then my Droid, lol.

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 12:57 AM

wonder how much air my clone will use with about 1050 balls?

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 12:58 AM

I'm also grabbing a drone dx sometime this winter. Hopefully get it anno'd white with blue accents :D

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 12:34 PM

hopefully will be joing you guys soon, currently trying to work out some deals to trade my vic for a clone

currently working out a deal for this dirty girl atm

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 05:37 PM

I want to join.

I want to join.

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 05:44 PM

He is legit, I vouch for him. Nastiest Droid ^^^^

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 06:18 PM

hopefully will be joing you guys soon, currently trying to work out some deals to trade my vic for a clone

currently working out a deal for this dirty girl atm

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i wonder how sick my marker will look if it was BLUE and GREEN. :)

MZinCAMO... if you're vouching for him... ill add him.

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 06:22 PM

I indeed am. He got 10 pods and a hopper on his Droid...he's got an HK 1 of 15 droid.

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 11:01 PM


hopefully will be joing you guys soon, currently trying to work out some deals to trade my vic for a clone

currently working out a deal for this dirty girl atm

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i wonder how sick my marker will look if it was BLUE and GREEN. :)

MZinCAMO... if you're vouching for him... ill add him.


meh im not really a fan of blue and green combos, i think it would look especially weird on a clone. If you anno'd your clone anything i say either leave the blue and anno the grey white, or leave the grey and ano the blue that purplish pinkish color like this creed

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 03:17 AM




Heres meh baby

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 01:02 PM

^^^ sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet :tup:

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 02:22 PM

kid tells me how much he wants me to add, i agree to it then he ignores me......
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 05:47 PM

kid tells me how much he wants me to add, i agree to it then he ignores me......


i had someone offer me an NT11 for my Dye CAM NT11 :mellow:

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 06:45 PM


kid tells me how much he wants me to add, i agree to it then he ignores me......


i had someone offer me an NT11 for my Dye CAM NT11 :mellow:



lol i see that happen a lot actually, someone offers the same gun just because they like the ano scheme more. I would take it if they were willing to add enough since ano schemes really dont add much value to a gun so if they like doubled that little bit of added value id jump on it
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 06:59 PM

I want in HEB!

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 07:05 PM

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I'm in the middle with the blue flexes, with my baby in my hands :)

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 07:07 PM



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Posted 03 August 2011 - 10:53 PM

Okay Iv got a ? for all the other Clone owners out there.

Okay I Play d4 Xball so I use psp burst. When I power on the gun my First Two trigger pulls are 3 shot then it will go 1, 1, 1, then 3.

So my ? is, Is this Normal? If not How do I fix it?

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 11:11 PM

I want in HEB!

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Bravo, i didnt know you still had it?



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I'm in the middle with the blue flexes, with my baby in my hands :)

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welcome aboard gentlemen! :tup:

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 11:18 PM

Awesome!
Bought my clone this year, and really haven't thought about selling it off.

I love my clone

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 11:44 PM

Sup fellas

You know the drill:

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Please forgive me my macdev brethren for I have tarnished our relics in picture form using such poor resolutions.

But in all seriousness, I'm excited for what macdev has in the future.

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 12:41 AM

well just worked out a deal for paintballer4ever's clone, sent him the money i added already and we ship tomorrow. So looks like i will be apart of the macdev militia as well :) pretty excited to get this clone in my hands, owned a droid loved it, then owned and rx and loved it. im sure the clone will not dissapoint
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Posted 04 August 2011 - 12:57 AM

Awww, Heb can I have Council paweez?! :D :wub: :lol:

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 08:35 AM

akt? Holy shit bro, where you been? I hope everything went ok with you.

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 02:33 PM

Ok.. im going to open up TWO Council spots... BUT you have to earn it.......

Council Spot #1 is for the first person who creates and posts a PHOTO guide of how to maintain and lube a Clone VX drivetrain. Let us know which o-rings are critical (i.e. moving)..and which ones are not, etc.
Council Spot #2 is for the first person who does the same as #1... but a VIDEO version. I will take BOTH submissions and post it in the first post. :tup:

MZinCamo.. unfortunately you're not eligible for this since you're already the V.P. :D

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 02:51 PM

my clone needs to hurry up and get here even though it just shipped out today lol. Should be here saturday or monday, but i need that sexy piece of machinery now!
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Posted 04 August 2011 - 02:54 PM

lol Heb has to make this difficult. I'll wait till the third or forth spots open. lol or will I dun dun dun...

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 02:58 PM

Okay Iv got a ? for all the other Clone owners out there.

Okay I Play d4 Xball so I use psp burst. When I power on the gun my First Two trigger pulls are 3 shot then it will go 1, 1, 1, then 3.

So my ? is, Is this Normal? If not How do I fix it?


not sure if thats normal.... but maybe you're not hitting the required trigger pulls to activate the ramping? thats my best guess. :tup:

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 03:04 PM

my clone needs to hurry up and get here even though it just shipped out today lol. Should be here saturday or monday, but i need that sexy piece of machinery now!


yah.. the wait is always a killer...... my pinokio headwrap took 7 days to get to me. BUT it was worth the wait. BEST headwrap EVAR!!!!!!!!

lol Heb has to make this difficult. I'll wait till the third or forth spots open. lol or will I dun dun dun...


hehe.. we're gonna be THE MOST HELPFUL marker club on TechPB. no tom-douchery here. :tup:

we wanna promote Macdev.... not turn people away from it. :wub:

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 03:10 PM

LoL I know bro, I work for Ryan who is pretty much their customer service base west of the Mississippi River

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 03:24 PM

I will make a Droi maintenence video, it's essentially the same thing as a Clone. Just so people know.

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 04:53 PM

just saying ive heard some rumors of a new borg being released at cup, im not going to hold my breath but if its true i might already know what my next marker will be
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Posted 04 August 2011 - 05:37 PM

Hey Hebiki, let me take a stab at it.

How to maintain you clone/clone VX drivetrain

A lot of people think clones are extremely high maintainence markers that are difficult to service. That can't be further from the truth. There are only a few o-rings that you have to maintain and you don't have to constantly lube them after day's worth of play. Macdev recommends you maintain it after 10,000 shots, which is like 5 cases worth of paint.

A few things to know before we start:

1. READ YOUR MANUAL- A portion of the problems you encounter can be solved by looking at.it. Also PAY attention to the drivetrain diagram. It shows the exact order of the parts to put it back together as well as how those parts should look when putting it back. If you can't put it back, check the diagram to make sure.

2. DO NOT OVERLUBE THE DRIVETRAIN- This is probably where most people go wrong. There are 2 reasons why you don't want to overlube: one, it's extra work you don't need to do and two, it affects the drivetrain performance. There are some places you could lube more, which I'll mention later, but the general rule of thumb is to make sure what you lube looks wet. If you can see extra lube, you know you've gone too far.

So without further ado, let's begin.

Important Parts


This is your drivetrain:

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Mines is the VX drivetrain, which is the latest version at this time. Earlier versions might look different but the essential oring components are still the same.

These are the parts that have the important orings for service.

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They are from top to bottom, left to right: Bolt Keg, Bolt, Spacer, Valve, Powertube. Again forgive the quality but I couldn't get the right lighting.


Bolt Keg Orings


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See that oring on the inside of the bolt keg? That's the only oring you should worry about maintaining. It's a standard size 17 BN70 oring that you can get at most oring places like oringmonkey. If you're leaking in the front, this is probably the cause. Don't worry about the other orings as they are immobile; they will rarely wear out unless your lucky, or unlucky in this case. Macdev also recommends you slightly lube the inside of the bolt keg as well.


Bolt Orings


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Basically the most important oring is the one smack dab in the center of the bolt. It's called the bolt switch oring and is 16 BN70 standard size. If your having leaks near the solenoid this is probably the main culprit. This along with the orings from the valve and powertube will cause like 90% of the problems with the drivetrain, so make sure you keep a good eye on it. Macdev also mentions to lube the bolt in addition to the oring.


Spacer Orings

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There are only 2 orings on the spacer. Both are 17 BN70 and both require lubrication from time to time. I've heard someone had inconsistant velocity drops during high rates of fire because they lack one of these orings, so it would be best not to ignore them.


Valve Orings

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Ok now we're going to the heart of the matter. In the bolt section, I mentioned 3 things that cause 90% of the problems: the bolt switch oring, valve and powertube. Of those 3, a good portion of that 90% will come from something happening to the valve, especially the middle oring. If you see any wear in that middle oring or the other rings: REPLACE THEM IMMEDIATELY. Your efficiency is mostly tied to those orings and they tend to receive most of the wear and tear. These orings wearing and tearing are one of the main reasons why there are so many versions of the clone; Macdev had to update the valve as well as the valve keg because of the frequency these orings were wearing out. While the VX drive solved that from happening too frequently, those orings will still wear out quicker than most in the drivetrain. PAY ATTENTION TO THEM. If you ever have a problem with performance, this is the first place I'd check. If you ever want to use more lube in a macdev marker, this would be the place to start. The orings in the middle and the side of the valve toward the spacer are 17X1 BN70 metric orings and the oring on the side closer to the powertube is a 15X1 BN70 metric as well. Macdev also recommends you lube the inside of both the valve and valve keg as well.


Powertube Orings

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The second most cause of problems next to the valve. If the valve is ok and you still have problems or leaks, this is the next place to check. The reason is that most of the air passes through the powertube, which causes it to blew away most of the lube on the rings and wearing them out quickly. Because of how air constaintly passes through you want to lube the rings as heavily as the valve, maybe even moreso. Again if your problems are not caused by the valve, it's probably this instead. The 2 orings you have to lube are the mid oring, which is a 10X1 BN70 metric oring and the tip oring, which is 11 BN70 standard size. The tip oring is the one that get's dry the most, so concentrate most of the lubing efforts into that oring.

Once you've done that,congratulations as you have maintained your drivetrain. Be sure to put it back and get ready to mow some people at the field.





If this get's accepted Hebiki, feel free to comment and fix things around. I'm not sure I got everything so I'm open to corrections. This applies to everyone else here as well.


With that said: give me that council spot LOL.

Edited by akt22, 05 August 2011 - 06:06 AM.


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Posted 04 August 2011 - 07:18 PM

THATS WHAT IM F#CKING TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

akt22.... First MEMBER of Council.... if i was a billionaire.. id straight buy you a clone right now.

too bad, im married and NOT a billionaire.

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 07:52 PM

Why would I need another clone when mines is already sexy enough?

I'm a playa not a pimp. There's only enough of me for 1 gal and she gets all the attention LOL.

Also Hebiki, I made some spelling and clarity changes in my guide. Can you alter it?
Just recopy my post that has it.

Edited by akt22, 04 August 2011 - 08:01 PM.


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Posted 04 August 2011 - 08:46 PM

Great job akt22! Congrats!

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 11:52 PM

is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling that Heibiki asked people to post those up so he can learn how to maintain his own gun? :P lol jk
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 02:03 AM

is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling that Heibiki asked people to post those up so he can learn how to maintain his own gun? :P lol jk


oh ill admit i have ZERO idea on how to maintain a clone. but i sure as heck aint scared of it. i know there might be others out there scared to ask these types of questions, so i'll ask it for them. :) :tup:

akt... ill edit tomorrow.. i gotta get my gear ready for saturday's tournament. :) great job again. :tup:

now who's gonna do a video?

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 02:21 AM


is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling that Heibiki asked people to post those up so he can learn how to maintain his own gun? :P lol jk


oh ill admit i have ZERO idea on how to maintain a clone. but i sure as heck aint scared of it. i know there might be others out there scared to ask these types of questions, so i'll ask it for them. :) :tup:

akt... ill edit tomorrow.. i gotta get my gear ready for saturday's tournament. :) great job again. :tup:

now who's gonna do a video?

I will eventually.. but it might be a while. Hey Heb, if I do a photo manual for the reg can I haves council?

Edited by Bravo Sierra, 05 August 2011 - 02:22 AM.





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