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#1 rebel492991

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Posted 30 September 2008 - 11:09 PM

I made this guide for the newbie section but i think it will be useful hear. The second post will be my opinion on what to buy for each of these items in a certain price range. This is in hopes to end the what should i buy threads that are every were.


First off, what i would like to say is welcome to paintball and im very pleased that you like the sport i love enough that you want to own your own gear. With that being said, the point of this thread is to help you spend your hard earned money better, and not buy things where you cant relay use them to there full potential yet.

First off watch mikes video >>mikes video

Now this is the order of things i believe they should be bought in.

Things i think you need.

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1. Good mask. Something with a thermal lens, because if you can not see you cant not play. mask video

2. loader. Something that will feed as you can afford, so don't skimp on this buy the best you can. This is because if you don't have paint in the gun why pull the trigger.

3. pack and pods. Something to haul pods of paint around. This is due to the fact once you shoot your hopper your out of paint, but not if you have a pack with pods. pack video

4. HPA { high pressure air} tank. This is a god send from co2. Air is all around a better gas then co2 more consistent and it wont freeze your o-rings. mikes video of CO2 vrs HPA

5. Gun. Buy your self a gun that you feel comfortable with. This will be your work horse now.

6. Pair of paintball pants. This will help protect your knees from that hard thing called earth.

7. Barrel for your gun. This will help you shoot more accurate then that stock barrel.
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The rest is optional, as in you don't need it but it relay helps.

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8. Knee and elbow pads. These help so much with bangs and bumps.

9. Gear Bag. So you can haul all that gear you have now

10. Jersey. So you look cool.

11. marker upgrades. I would recommend that you don't spend to much money on upgrades because you can save up and buy a better marker with that money


Please post your suggestions about items or information you fell needs to be up hear. If i find it useful i will add it.

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Posted 30 September 2008 - 11:09 PM

Now this is my opinion on what i would buy if i was starting with no gear and i didn't want or have a lot of money to spend on paintball gear. Now this being said you should always buy what you want this is merely a guide to help you along the way.


Now if you can afford it or if you can wait save up and buy what you fell is the best marker and gear there is, i say this because this is the beat real way to save money on gear. This will make you not have to buy something you fell the need to upgrade not long after you use it........... thanks payntballer


The items i think you need.


This is the cheapest items i would buy. IF you follow this guide you will be ready to play every day with no real need to upgrade anything.


1. Good mask, V-force pro-vantage 19.95$

2. loader, Viewloader Eye force 49.99$ empire reloader b 63.45$

3. pack and pods, Empire 4+5 30.95$

4. HPA { high pressure air} tank. AVI Steel 48ci/3000psi 47.95$ Guerrilla air 68/45 149.95$ Crossfire 68/45 159.95$

5. Gun.smart parts vibe 149.95$ Spyder Electra 08 199.95$Dangerous power G3 299.00$ proto slg 09 299.95$ invert mini 324.95$

6. Pair of paintball pants. Invert Se men pants 56.33$

7. Barrel for your gun. Cp .689 14 inch 29.95$

-combo packs for tank and hopper save money hear

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once you have your gear, and you are out rocking faces with it. You might one day decide that you need a new mask at this point in time you should buy what you think is the "best" for you. There is never a right answer to what gun is better or what mask is better just simply what gun/mask etc. that you feel is the best for you. I'm not going to try to tell you all the equipment that i think is the best because that is souly based on what i know and what i want out of my equipment.

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Posted 30 September 2008 - 11:10 PM

Useful tips to help you save money.



-Don't Buy co2 tanks- I say this because one you upgrade to hpa you will probably never use the co2 tank ever again. so why waste the money on it, when you can just rent a tank until you have your own HPA tank.

- Marker upgrades. - Make sure that what you are buying is really worth it. Good upgrades are on/off asa, locking feed neck.

- last year is cool.
- Buy last years pants or Jerseys you can find them at half price or even lower some times, and are they will work just as nice as the newest stuff.

-More is better- Get a few friends together and ask your field owners or local store clerk if you can buy paint in bulk, this some times will work and save you 5-10% per case. now you maybe like that not much but it will add up.
buying Pods in bulk is a great way to safe also. get 5 people to buy pods with you and buy a Box of pod and then just split them.

-Buy items in packages.
- Some times online company and even local stores will offer package deal, were you can get a tank and a hopper etc. in a package. this in the most part will save you a few bucks so stay on the look out for them.

-look around- Search around web sites and if you can all the local stores and check there prices on these stores ans buy from the cheep cheepest place. ( for local stores i would call them and ask about prices for the specific item you are looking for, so you don't drive all the way there for nothing. gas isn't free)

-buy used- If some one at your field is selling something for a good deal and you happen to need that item buy it. this can really help you save money. but you have to be careful that you don't buy something broke are breaking. USE THE B/S/T IT WILL SAVE YOU MONEY

-Bag it up- When your done playing for the day and you still have paint left, take the paint home and put it into zip lock bags and try to get as much of the air out you can. then place it in your room or closet, some place out sunlight. every few day flip the bag over to prevent edges being formed. this will help you keep your old paint where its still semi what fresh.





...GET INTO PUMP...- it is by far cheaper on a day to day bases once you buy the marker, you will be saving money when it used to cost you 50 bucks on paint it might cost you 15 if you shoot alot.... air is alot cheaper as well just from the fact you use less of it.

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Posted 30 September 2008 - 11:26 PM

I say knee pads are more important then paintball pants. They protect your knees better and would think they are cheaper.

edit: i see the greatness this thread can aspire too good job.

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Posted 30 September 2008 - 11:34 PM

how are dye or proto pants compared? or Nxe pod pack?


wha t bout profilers?
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Posted 30 September 2008 - 11:37 PM

working on it.

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Posted 30 September 2008 - 11:41 PM

AWESOME!! your my new apparel hero xD well good job so far, i was just teasin
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Posted 01 October 2008 - 06:41 PM

any suggestions

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Posted 01 October 2008 - 06:42 PM

Decent but you are wrong about CO2.

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Posted 01 October 2008 - 06:43 PM

how am i wrong. please explain.

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Posted 01 October 2008 - 07:05 PM

I'll sum up some stuff I learned from a very smart man:

Saying that CO2 itself, running it through your gun is dirty. Sure it may be dirty but n2 is just as dirty (unless it came from a scuba with filters).

Some good things:

CO2 is stored as a liquid. Therefore more dense than an air. More dense concluding to more being able to be packed into a compact area (paintball wise).

It basically self regulates itself (I could get into some "physics" of this but it is not nessecary).

Don't really need any "high tech equipment" to use it.

And it is pretty cheap

Bad things:

At high rates of fire IT CAN FREEZE. This is because as it is removed from the tank the pressure is dropped. As this goes down it starts to "boil" the liquid. This heat then turns it from a liquid to a gas. But if the tank cannot "re-heat" fast enough it starts to freeze. But I have shot "CO2 safe" markers with CO2 for quite a long time and all I got was an obvious coldening (ha, coldening) of the reg and other areas and later condensation. But not "freeze ups".

Bad for buna o-rings (black O-rings).

Not good with non CO2 regs.

Dangerous (SO BE SAFE. I wont be liable haha!)

"In-consistent". Yes it can get velocity spikes and whatnot. But this is basically due to the temperature changing throughout the tank and whatnot. So if the temp of the tank/CO2 could be kept relatively the same, it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad.





So basically you want to keep the liquid out of your gun, which can be done several ways (which I dont need to get into right now).


Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying CO2 is better than HPA. In my opinion, HPA is better.

But CO2 isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

So why do people still use it? Its a cheap "alternative" and there are enthusiasts out there...



So be safe kids :P

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Posted 01 October 2008 - 07:12 PM

ok, so how am i wrong still.

i dais the HPA is a better gas then co2 and i explained why.

i then said the i wouldn't waste my money on a co2 tank, because once you upgrade to a eltro gun co2 is a no no, with a few exceptions.

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Posted 01 October 2008 - 07:15 PM

Maybe I mis-spoke.

But some people do go back. Why? Like I said enthusiasts...

Some people have built amazing CO2 set-ups, electro guns.

They can "keep up", and sometimes CO2 is just more efficient for their gun.

Maybe I sound biased, but like I said I never said CO2 is better...

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Posted 01 October 2008 - 07:18 PM

yes , i know about anti siphon tanks and expansion chambers. this thread isnt a bash of co2 in anyway ( well its not attended to be) but for the new player looking to buy there gear so they can play with there own items co2 in general is not the gas to go with. but there can be exceptions.

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Posted 01 October 2008 - 07:22 PM

Okay you are correct. And I apologize for cluttering your thread and whatnot.

But one more thing. If newer players are going cheap maybe CO2 is the better option. Do I suggest this? No, I think they should "go all out" and save for a GOOD tank (not a steelie).

Which leads me to my next little blurb.

What you have suggested is very good for the newer player.

But from my past experiences I ended upgrading most stuff anyway. Such as my mask. I bought a cheap mask, but then I wanted a better one later on. Same with a marker, and other equipment. Now I am not saying what you said is wrong, just sayign what I have learned. So if new players dont have a lot of money/ a job or some sort of income, definitely buy cheap and get into the sport. But if you can afford (no pun intended) to wait, please do so. It'll "pay off" :P in the end.

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Posted 01 October 2008 - 07:43 PM

you are 100% right i will add that to the thread thanks

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Posted 01 October 2008 - 07:45 PM

No problem, keep making this even more in depth and maybe it'll be stickied :tup:

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 07:58 PM

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 11:38 PM

Nice. Good read for a newbie.

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 12:56 AM

Good job, but im going to have to disagree with some of your things to buy such as the pod pack. I got an extreme rage 4+3 for 15 bucks. Works great. Also always try to buy used, no matter what
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Posted 04 October 2008 - 07:18 PM

very helpful thread i wish i had it when i started to play
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Posted 05 October 2008 - 12:44 AM

You might need to update all of your action village links. They all go to their homepage.

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 11:53 AM

Fixed

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 05:18 PM

Very Good I say sticke if not already.

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 08:41 PM

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 01:17 AM

Hopefully, I did this right. I'm kinda new to this whole "thread" thingy...
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Good thread!
Something a new player should take into consideration too, WHERE they will be playing. Woods, Fields, (and in my case sandy beachy type areas). As these things can have a considerable impact on equipment/Co2/HPA/Paint etc. performance. Hotter climates (like here on Oahu) HPA might be a better choice...at least in my 12 years of playing.

If I may, I was walking around the local Sports Authority tonight and they had a fairly decent Tippman 98 kit up for sale.
Had the gun, mask, Co2 tank, pod pack and a remote for only like 280 bucks or something like that. That would be a great way to get started. Tippmans are great guns and virtually in-de-struct-able. The mask ( I believe ) was a mid-grade JT. So, again not a bad set up for a beginer. :P

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 05:42 PM

Why am I surprised another great guide by Rebel, keep it up man this should get stickied if it's cleaned up a little more.

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 05:52 PM

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 10:34 AM

i love this!


apparently you did.

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 10:48 PM

i wish people made things like this when i started playing
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Posted 13 October 2008 - 11:44 AM

i love this!


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Posted 13 October 2008 - 01:43 PM

thanks guys, for your nice comments.

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Posted 20 October 2008 - 12:32 PM

im bumping this so people can read it.

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 06:01 PM

OK so here is what i have in mind and anyone just let me know what they think:

V-Force Profiler - 60$
PMI Pure Energy Fixed N2 Tank - 68ci 3000psi High Pressure - $109.95
Empire Reloader B Paintball Loader (clear) - 63.45$
Proto Slg (olive) - 200$

The only thing i am worried about is the PMI air tank, because it seems to be a cheap good quality tank, but there have been no suggestions for it anywhere i have seen.

Thanks ;)

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 06:32 PM

OK so here is what i have in mind and anyone just let me know what they think:

V-Force Profiler - 60$
PMI Pure Energy Fixed N2 Tank - 68ci 3000psi High Pressure - $109.95
Empire Reloader B Paintball Loader (clear) - 63.45$
Proto Slg (olive) - 200$

The only thing i am worried about is the PMI air tank, because it seems to be a cheap good quality tank, but there have been no suggestions for it anywhere i have seen.

Thanks ;)


be very nice.that would be a good set up.... but if you could spring for a 4500 psi tank because it will give you more shot per fill. but if you cant then the one you have picked out will work great.

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Posted 26 October 2008 - 11:11 PM

If you would, could you please fix grammar and capitalization. I really am not trying to bash, but to make it into a sticky, this guide should be more universal and easier to read. Fabulous guide regardless.
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Posted 27 October 2008 - 09:41 AM

no problem grammar Nazi lol im jk.

i believe it fixed it up. If you find any other wrong doings, let me know and ill fix them. English was never my strong suit.

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Posted 28 October 2008 - 07:07 PM

CHeck Ebay. A bought a Vibe for $142 with a co2 tank, mask, romote line and Halo B V32 hopper. A .99 cent 1 Piece Proto 12in' barrel and a 4 pack fast pack empire for $2.25. so altoger I use like $220 on great things. the rest is Squeegy, sandanas, pods etc...and proto pants for $20!!!! sexy



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Posted 09 November 2008 - 04:19 PM

Dude you should remove the invert mini man the g3 is cheaper and lighter and better just remove the invert mini youre giving noobs a not so good gun for the price no offence.
But on the bright side this is the best guide ive seen in years!!!

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Posted 09 November 2008 - 04:35 PM

no the mini is a great gun, i just gave options for them to buy.

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Posted 15 November 2008 - 02:01 PM

bumping.

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 10:24 AM

If you're like me paintball was the big thing with friends 2-3 years ago, but now a lot of them have quit. Just go and buy up their good equipment if they still have it. I've been doing it this year and I've got things like a two proflexes for $20, a full Freak barrel for $30, jersies and pods etc for free. Just look around, you may also be able to get a bit of cash for selling their old gear for them on forums. The #1 budget baller thing I've ever done was buy my Timmy. Alias with a critical trigger for $150. All you kids looking for good guns for cheap, BUY A TIMMY!!!

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 11:21 AM

This is great!!! Good thread.

On the HPA thing, I don't have the option of HPA, nor do I have a field. Thus, in an attempt to save money, I am buying a bulk co2 tank so i can fill my smaller ones myself.

I have no experience with HPA, so I don't know which is better, but this seems like a good way to save some cash.

Oooh, and used is always greater than new, on everything.

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 12:07 AM

I do too...

if you can afford it, buy some plain proflex 05's Great mask, comfy, good vision, and best anti fog mask i have owned.

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 02:10 AM

This is my 2 cents
Don't waste your money on an amazing gun you don't know if your going to like the sport or even stick with it for that long.
Say you have 300$ to spend i would say buy a walmart 98 custom or something in the 150$ range you can get a 2 pod leg rig there too for about 20$ buy a good mask if you cant see you cant shoot spend the 80$ to 100$ on something that fits right and dosn't fog up. You can get anti fog at any scuba shop or online for 2$ to 6$ its worth it to me.
Secondly i would recommend C02 for the beginner if your just playing with your friends (woodsball) or going to a field its easy to fill and dosn't cost much. It works and HPA tanks are expensive yeah you will have some inconsitancy but who cares your out there having fun.
Thirdly a hopper isn't that nessary i have friends that still use a gravity hopper they make some pretty neat gravity hoppers that are about 10$ to 20$ and they work fine you have to remember that your not playing competivly your just getting into the sport and you don't need all the bells and whistles just yet. If your a younger player ask for some things for your birthday or christmas.
Thats just my 2 cents take it for what it is, its not set in stone just remember you don't need to have all the best kit to have a great time some of the best players i know still use an old tippy with C02 and still whoop ass.
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Posted 24 November 2008 - 12:35 PM

not to get you pissed, rebel abunchofnumbersidontknow. but its not very budjet ballery to shoot 13 to 30 bps with a proto slg. buget baller is pump or
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Posted 24 November 2008 - 03:07 PM

lol. this is ment for people looking to get into tourney ball on a budget.

of corse pump will be cheaper but that is not main stream so i made this guide in order to help people spend there money wiser when they are looking to buy stuff to play tourney with.

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 03:03 PM

Oh, I never knew that. I thought this was for the pballer in general, not the cheapest tourney set up

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 11:24 PM

Oh, I never knew that. I thought this was for the pballer in general, not the cheapest tourney set up


i dont know if you tried to come off as a smart ass but you did.

i agree that pump is cheaper.

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 05:47 PM

thanks to who ever pinned this.




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