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#1 Ourk

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 08:42 PM

ok well I'm thinking about getting a Tippmann A5 here soon and I have seen all these different upgrades like zero kick hammer, bolts, etc.

I have to ask the guys who have bought this stuff..was it really worth the money for the upgrade like these? I like the upgrades they offer for the A5 but if they make minimal to no difference in performance then I don't really want to waste my money


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Posted 20 November 2011 - 10:49 PM

Get a good barrel kit and a good Carbon Fiber tank, The bolt upgrades are never really worth the money

You could get the low pressure kit, squishy paddles for the Cyclone feed system ( not as rough on paint ), and the response trigger frame if you really want to upgrade the gun it's self.

Edited by Ashton S, 20 November 2011 - 10:50 PM.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 12:16 AM

Are you dead set on tippmann because if you aren't I would look into a GOG G1 w/ Blackheart board. It's an electronic marker with regulator and uses HPA/CO2 for only around 60$ more.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 12:02 PM

Are you dead set on tippmann because if you aren't I would look into a GOG G1 w/ Blackheart board. It's an electronic marker with regulator and uses HPA/CO2 for only around 60$ more.

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That looks awesome! I would also check that out if you are not dead set on upgrading your current marker

I don't know WHY they work, but they outperform anything on the market hands down...and they're MADE IN AMERICA.


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Posted 21 November 2011 - 12:18 PM

Apex 2 barrel, done

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 03:27 PM

Upgrades:-Compressed air over CO2
-Better barrel
-Lower profile hopper

In my opinion, I'd leave stock parts inside as far as internals go. Just keep them clean and lubricated.
Squishy paddles aren't a bad idea though and there really isn't a con to using them.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 04:34 PM

Hammerhead just out distanced the Apex (and everyone else) at the Guinness world record shot. :tup:

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Distance- 83 yards
Target Size 20"x24"
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While some may scoff at the technology and claims, Hammerhead is the only paintball company that will encourage you to TRY their product first. If they are at an event they will give you a loaner and let you run it for the event. Most people come back and buy one AFTER they try it. Name ANY other company in paintball that does that.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 06:31 PM

Hammerhead just out distanced the Apex (and everyone else) at the Guinness world record shot. :tup:

"Hammerhead Sets Guinness World Record" "Farthest Paintball Shot"

August 20, 2012
Distance- 83 yards
Target Size 20"x24"
10 Shots per try
Gun Type- Tippmann Phenom
Barrel- Tippman Straightline (Hammerhead Bangstikxx-16" Barrel")
Muzzle Type-Battlestikxx Muzzle
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Player-Robert Judson


While some may scoff at the technology and claims, Hammerhead is the only paintball company that will encourage you to TRY their product first. If they are at an event they will give you a loaner and let you run it for the event. Most people come back and buy one AFTER they try it. Name ANY other company in paintball that does that.


you know how I know that's bullshit? the record is at 2012. I guess they are planning on achieving a record next august. lol.

In all seriousness, to the op. Just get a barrel and a tank. If performance is what your looking for, look elsewhere. If you like your marker, leave it the way it is. Money only increases its asthetics, not performance.

Edited by Danny D, 21 November 2011 - 06:48 PM.


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Posted 21 November 2011 - 08:10 PM

Ditto what Danny said. HPA is a bit of an expense...but it will GREATLY improve your playing experience.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 08:36 PM

Call Ray @ Ninja Paintball, have him build you an 850psi output tank

You're A5 will shoot awesome. Other than that, I'd recommend an Apex barrel

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 08:53 PM

Hammerhead just out distanced the Apex (and everyone else) at the Guinness world record shot. :tup:

"Hammerhead Sets Guinness World Record" "Farthest Paintball Shot"

August 20, 2012
Distance- 83 yards
Target Size 20"x24"
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While some may scoff at the technology and claims, Hammerhead is the only paintball company that will encourage you to TRY their product first. If they are at an event they will give you a loaner and let you run it for the event. Most people come back and buy one AFTER they try it. Name ANY other company in paintball that does that.


At a local scenario of myn many big name companies show up and let you try out their stuff. Eclipse, empire, and dye (depending on who shows) are frequently out to let you loan their current flagship markers.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 09:07 PM

Really? Times are a changin. It's good to see more companies "put their money where their mouth is."

Hammerhead has been doing it for a decade and it's worked for them. If you make a quality product you should be proud to let players try it first. :)
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 09:23 PM

Really? Times are a changin. It's good to see more companies &quot;put their money where their mouth is Hammerhead has been doing it for a decade and it's worked for them. If you make a quality product you should be <i>proud</i> to let players try it first.



Hahah, i went on the website "rifled barrel technology" hahahah, nice joke, rifling onlymakes accuraccy worse from what ive heard...

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 10:28 PM

Do you own one? Ever shot one?

You might ask someone who owns one. I don't know WHY they work, but they outperform anything on the market hands down...and they're MADE IN AMERICA.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 10:49 PM

A CP one piece .695 will do the exact same job for 1/4th of the price


And why is the fact that the product is MADE IN AMERICA a factor?


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Posted 21 November 2011 - 10:57 PM

You know...a lot of people leave other forums because of the large number of people who will contradict just for the fun of doing so. Mike has always run a different kind of forum here. Exactly none of you have experience with Hammerhead barrels, yet you will talk like you know it all.

And, additionally, spending you money AT HOME is good for the economy. Hammerhead isn't just a US company...they're a TEXAS company. You know, where San Antonio is located.

Thanks for your patriotism and economic responsibility.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 11:10 PM

Lets wait for the accuracy wolf's opinion.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 11:16 PM

We are skeptical of the barrel because of all of the marketing gemics that are on the Hammer Head web site. It is like they gear their products towards 10 year olds

We all feel the same way about Dye Boom Stick barrels and Sly kits... When it comes down to it, there are other proven, simple, cheap, respected non bullshit company's that have already won peoples respect for one reason or another.

Personally I do not like the whole super crazy new awesome patriotic tactical vibe that Hammer Head and their products.. And once you add the fact that their products are rifled, it is scraped instantly because it is an old practice/another gemic used by company's to sell their newest products



*You obviously found a product that you like and works towards your needs, so have I. That is why I responded the way I did..
I feel as passionate about CP products as you do for Hammer Head


I also support both of my local fields and my nearest pro shop with a passion.

Edited by Ashton S, 21 November 2011 - 11:19 PM.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 11:29 PM

I've tried and used CP stuff for years. They make great products at awesome prices. However "skeptical" translates to "I've never tried it but I've already made up my mind."

All I've been trying to say is that you should TRY something...ANYTHING...before you dump on it. You live in Texas. Look around and ask some of the hundreds of people you will see using them. They love them for a reason...and it's not the hype. All I'm saying is don't make up your mind because you don't like their marketing. That's like saying you wouldn't drive a Ferrari because you don't like the horse on their logo.

As far as buying things made in the USA...pay attention in school. They will help you understand. Imagine if the entire world consisted of your town and one other one. If the people in your town buy lots of things from the next town, but the people in that town don't buy things from yours, your town will run out of money eventually, and the next town will have it all.

China is the other town. If we keep shipping them boxes of money and they just ship us stuff, but no money...what happens eventually?
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Posted 22 November 2011 - 10:12 AM

We are skeptical of the barrel because of all of the marketing gemics that are on the Hammer Head web site. It is like they gear their products towards 10 year olds

We all feel the same way about Dye Boom Stick barrels and Sly kits... When it comes down to it, there are other proven, simple, cheap, respected non bullshit company's that have already won peoples respect for one reason or another.

Personally I do not like the whole super crazy new awesome patriotic tactical vibe that Hammer Head and their products.. And once you add the fact that their products are rifled, it is scraped instantly because it is an old practice/another gemic used by company's to sell their newest products



*You obviously found a product that you like and works towards your needs, so have I. That is why I responded the way I did..
I feel as passionate about CP products as you do for Hammer Head


I also support both of my local fields and my nearest pro shop with a passion.

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Plus about the record shot, was it in the SAME conditions as the other longest shot? You have to take into account, Wind resistance, humidity, temperature, gun type, gun operating pressure, paint to bore match, condition of paint, condition of loader, condition of breach and barrel...

It is easy to get different results out of one shot, because of that many variables.

Edited by Ashton S, 22 November 2011 - 10:29 AM.

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Posted 22 November 2011 - 11:09 AM

As I understand it the contest was set up beforehand and attempts were made, at the same place, under the same conditions. Each took a turn attempting to hit the same size target at the same distance. They had ten shots to try and hit the target. Robert was the only one to do it, with the others watching, on the fifth shot. It was all supervised by a representative from Guinness. That's all I know.

And I was explaining the economical benefits of shopping locally because you didn't seem to get why I was touting the fact that they are made in the USA. There is no need to "shout" at me.
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Posted 22 November 2011 - 11:13 AM

Your caps lock was on before me sir.

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Posted 22 November 2011 - 02:43 PM

As I understand it the contest was set up beforehand and attempts were made, at the same place, under the same conditions. Each took a turn attempting to hit the same size target at the same distance. They had ten shots to try and hit the target. Robert was the only one to do it, with the others watching, on the fifth shot. It was all supervised by a representative from Guinness. That's all I know.

And I was explaining the economical benefits of shopping locally because you didn't seem to get why I was touting the fact that they are made in the USA. There is no need to "shout" at me.


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Posted 22 November 2011 - 03:28 PM

I stand on my previous statements.

* Speak to owners of them.

* Give one an honest try and evaluation.

You can argue the tech all you want, but those who use them will tell you why.

I don't give a damn what a company claims, I don't care about anyone's debunking of the technology behind it, and I don't make my decisions based upon their claims. Something either works, or it doesn't.

Hammerhead barrels outperform any other barrel or barrel kit I've tried, and there's a long list considering that I've been playing since the late eighties.

You're not going to convince me that they're crap, and I'm not going to convince you that they are superior. Only running one for a few games will convince you of that.

So, in the meantime, play safe, play fair, and try not to be so contradictory just for the sake of doing so. ;)
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Posted 22 November 2011 - 03:31 PM

A phenom...

Wouldn't mind a phenom with mag kit and a drum mag

But A5 upgrades i use a zero kick hammer It's nice and i needed a replacement the front bolt is stock and the gun came with a red power tube

Spare paddles Is the only thing i can suggest

if gun starts chopping throw the paddles out and replace

Also I enjoy shooting my A5 more then my SP1 more Enjoyable shooter

An egrip is a good upgrade But i Can get sick ROF stock trigger there a good gun to have Never had mine fail me since i put new paddles in it

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Posted 22 November 2011 - 10:46 PM

You could also get the following upgrades to get the absolute top speed out of your Cyclone feed.

Cyclone Feed Sick Rod

Lapco Ratchet Upgrade

Lapco Paintball Uni-Flow Piston Housing


Those together with the Squishy paddles and the E-Grip, you will have one awesome A5

That sounds pretty dang good, if I ever go tactical now I know there are options :lol:

Edited by Ashton S, 23 November 2011 - 12:00 AM.

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Posted 22 November 2011 - 11:19 PM

Viper, I'm sorry, but when it comes to the application of physical law and what evidence exists to support whatever hypothesis is being pushed, personal testimony and anecdotes mean pretty much nothing.

The tropes of "those that try it buy it" are trumpeted by a lot of people selling a lot of bogus nonsense. Just take a look at alternative medicine. Experience doesn't really mean much when you're making claims that are scientifically testable.

I myself have used Hammerhead barrels plenty of times, for extended periods of time. It's just another barrel, but with a higher price tag and some really silly marketing. That company plays on people's ignorance of physics, and I take a personal issue with those kinds of ethics. It isn't superior really to anything, and its price makes it an inferior choice for consumers.

I think if more people paid attention in their physics classes, some of these companies wouldn't be doing so well.
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Posted 22 November 2011 - 11:27 PM

Viper, I'm sorry, but when it comes to the application of physical law and what evidence exists to support whatever hypothesis is being pushed, personal testimony and anecdotes mean pretty much nothing.

The tropes of "those that try it buy it" are trumpeted by a lot of people selling a lot of bogus nonsense. Just take a look at alternative medicine. Experience doesn't really mean much when you're making claims that are scientifically testable.

I myself have used Hammerhead barrels plenty of times, for extended periods of time. It's just another barrel, but with a higher price tag and some really silly marketing. That company plays on people's ignorance of physics, and I take a personal issue with those kinds of ethics. It isn't superior really to anything, and its price makes it an inferior choice for consumers.

I think if more people paid attention in their physics classes, some of these companies wouldn't be doing so well.

:huh: More truth? :huh:

It cant be :lol: :tup:

Edited by Ashton S, 22 November 2011 - 11:29 PM.

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Posted 22 November 2011 - 11:33 PM

I defer to the wisdom of the fine posters above.

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Posted 22 November 2011 - 11:37 PM

I'd like to get my hands on a hammerhead just to try it out and see if it does make any real noticeable difference, I just pray that I don't break a ball in the barrel. I heard they're a bitch to clean

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 04:20 AM

Hey All,

Y'know, it's a shame there isn't a batting-cage style set-up somewhere that you could go and "try before you buy" with set-ups of different markers, barrels and paint...

I'd drop $100 for an hour in something like that; would've saved me twice as much in buying barrels and paint I ended up hating (not to mention all the time wasted cleaning...). <_<
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Posted 23 November 2011 - 12:29 PM

Hey All,

Y'know, it's a shame there isn't a batting-cage style set-up somewhere that you could go and "try before you buy" with set-ups of different markers, barrels and paint...

I'd drop $100 for an hour in something like that; would've saved me twice as much in buying barrels and paint I ended up hating (not to mention all the time wasted cleaning...). <_<


That is Seriously a good idea!

I never would have bought that dang JnJ Ceramic or that Spyder Electra 09

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 07:37 PM

I defer to the wisdom of the fine posters above.


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Posted 03 December 2011 - 01:42 PM

Hey there. Ive had an a5 for 3 years and what ive put on it works great for me.


- spongy paddles
- low profile hopper
- apex 2, flatline, j&j 16 inch (all work great)
- picitiny top rail (allows you to see the red dot with a mask on)
- red dot
- m4 style sliding stock, project salvo folding adjustable stock (both great)
- good mask (v-force profilers are amazing)
- carbon tank (im working on that one)
- remote line
- response trigger (if you wanna lay down fire, my e-trigger broke and tippmann couldnt fix it no refund so thats why i say response)
- buffer O ring in the back (helps with the noise and preserves the end cap)


ps: A5 doesn't kick hardly at all especially with a stock, its like a .22 cartridge cut in half with a buffer in the stock. no kick.

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 10:46 PM

Er if your gonna get a a5 just get a barrel and a hpa tank....once your done doing all the upgrades you could have bought a high end marker.



someone is a little on the passionate side with hammerhead barrels lol............

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 12:33 AM

Maybe it was already said but if you want an extra couple of fps when shooting, go with a flatline barrel they are very good and come in a couple different styles.
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Posted 14 December 2011 - 12:35 AM

The flatline will not add FPS, all it does is put backspin on the paintball. If you want to do that, get the Apex 2 instead. It's much less picky on paint, you can adjust how much spin is put on the paintballs, and you can change the direction of the spin.

Edited by andrewthewookie, 14 December 2011 - 12:35 AM.

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#38 Tacobush

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 12:52 AM

Flatline barrel or the apex barrel is a most

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 05:59 PM

I stand on my previous statements.

* Speak to owners of them.

* Give one an honest try and evaluation.

You can argue the tech all you want, but those who use them will tell you why.

I don't give a damn what a company claims, I don't care about anyone's debunking of the technology behind it, and I don't make my decisions based upon their claims. Something either works, or it doesn't.

Hammerhead barrels outperform any other barrel or barrel kit I've tried, and there's a long list considering that I've been playing since the late eighties.

You're not going to convince me that they're crap, and I'm not going to convince you that they are superior. Only running one for a few games will convince you of that.

So, in the meantime, play safe, play fair, and try not to be so contradictory just for the sake of doing so. ;)


I don't think anyone here is contradicting u for the sake of argument. Disagreeing happens, and since this is a forum, it is the appropriate place for that.

I HAVE used a hammerhead barrel so here is my opinion. The barrel is just fine. I didn't see any noticeable improvement in accuracy or range while playing with it. I found the rifling to have sharp edeges, so it could potentially break brittle paint, although I had no issue with that (using draxxus field). My major complaint was when I did break a ball, I was fucked until I got to a sink to clean it. Cleaned up fine with water, but my squegee didn't do the trick. That combined with the above average price and below average aesthetics had me looking elsewhere for my new barrel purchase.

On the world record thing...its not physically possible to shoot one object with the exact same mass, shape, and velocity, farther than another. Clearly a variable was changed, wittingly or not, to make this happen.

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 07:28 PM

AMERICA

I don't know WHY they work, but they outperform anything on the market hands down...and they're MADE IN AMERICA.


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Posted 14 December 2011 - 10:45 PM

On the world record thing...its not physically possible to shoot one object with the exact same mass, shape, and velocity, farther than another. Clearly a variable was changed, wittingly or not, to make this happen.



It is physically possible. Apex Barrels and flatline do allow a paintball to be shot farther using a principla called backspin (same principle a golf ball uses to go farther). Its something like 20 feet farther than normal barrels(if i remember correctly), but this distance increase is essentially negligable since being able to shoot 300 feet away vs 320 feet away, a normal paintball wont break at those extreme ranges.

Edited by Danny D, 14 December 2011 - 10:47 PM.





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