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Posted 27 December 2011 - 02:16 PM

OFFICIAL EMPIRE SNIPER THREAD:


Thinking of purchasing an Empire Sniper? Questions? Comments? This is YOUR thread!



Hey everyone! I've decided to make a thread that I will constantly update about my experiences with the Empire Sniper. Not a lot of videos or reviews are around, let alone on here, so I decided to take it upon myself to make a thread about Empire’s newest creation, the Sniper pump marker. I will be writing this to players that are familiar with paintball, and understand beginner technical aspects, but I will not get in-depth with the technical aspects of this marker, simply because I haven’t had enough experience with pumps to fully break it down for you. For the people who want a more technical breakdown of the marker, here is a thread from MCB, which is composed very nicely. Cutterj will be another contributor, and I will credit him everywhere that he helps.



Here are the guidelines I am using, to help you find what you're looking for:
Red subtitles are overviews on the product.
Green subtitles are about specific parts of the marker and accessories.
Purple subtitles are conclusions and experienced reviews.
The orange subtitle refers to changes in the article; look there to see how this thread is edited over time.

PRODUCT OVERVIEW:



FEATURES: Out of the box, this marker is LOADED with accessories (as far as I've seen on other pumps). I'll get more in-depth with that in the "Unboxing" section. I'll use the box's description of the marker and its features for this section. The Empire Sniper features "tournament level performance", a closed bolt design, low pressure operation, a vertical feed design, Autococker barrel threading, a 300psi gauge that can be put on either side of the marker, a removable "pump assist plate" (commonly known as "The Hitman Mod"), an autotrigger, inline regulator with swivel adapter, T-Mounted on/off ASA, delrin pump handle and sled, dual stainless steel pump rods, and 45 frame grips with finger grooves.

UNBOXING: As far as I know, not many pump guns come with all of the extras the Sniper has. Watch the video below to see what I am saying. Open the box and you'll find your CD-ROM manual and the quick start guide. Take the top layer of foam off, and you will find the marker, barrel sock, and full Allen key set (an addition which I enjoy). After you remove that tier of foam, you have the bottom tier, filled with all of the accessories. This includes the tool box, which has extra screws, detents, O-rings, and some lubricant. The 4-piece Empire barrel kit is nicely ordered in the foam as well. The kit includes a 14" front with 3 backs (.685, .680, and .675). The last item is the 10-round, spring-assisted stock feed tube. I will have a sub-section for each of these components.

COMPONENTS:



Barrel Kit: This barrel kit really impressed me. Some of you may think, “Well, my _______ barrel kit has more backs/inserts.” Well, you could be right, but that doesn’t mean that your kit is better. Many guns do not come with a 4-piece kit, like this marker. The back sizes (.685, .680, and .675) are very good for underboring and preventing rollouts. You should be able to properly underbore most paint you’ll use. The control bore (the length of the barrel back) is 6.5 inches, which is a very nice control bore. The front is a heavily ported, 14” front, which is also very nice. The only gripe someone may have is if most of their paint bores extremely large on a regular basis. I would assume you have a large bore barrel already. These kits are very desirable, from what I’ve seen, so if the bores aren’t for you, I think you could sell it in a flash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZXlF-zNrG0

Barrel Sock, Tools, and Parts: I’m extremely satisfied with the maintenance and safety components of the gun. The Empire barrel sock is nice, but most barrel socks do the same job. I was very happy that the marker came with a 10-key Allen key set, all contained in a “holster” of sorts, with each size labeled. As far as the spare parts kit, it does the job. It comes with spare screws, detents, lubricant and O-rings. I like that the Axe kit had movable box spacers, but I use a large tackle box for all tools anyway, so I’ll just throw the spare parts box in the closet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A558gcjVvSQ

ASA, Pump Handle, Hitman Mod, Gauge, AT, and Feedneck: The first time I pumped a pump marker, I was amazed at how smooth the stroke was. The Sniper is no exception. I find the ribbed pump handle very comfortable. The Hitman Mod is a very nice touch for those that want to keep their barrel very steady, and it’s removable for those that don’t like it. It is nice that the regulator gauge can be swapped to either side for optimum comfort. I’m dominantly left-handed, so I enjoyed that stock, the gauge is on the left side. The ASA is very nice. It’s a simple flip of the lever, and your air will bleed out. The autotrigger was timed relatively nicely, but I don’t plan to use it much. The autotrigger can NOT be changed to either side, even though there is a screw hole on the other pump rod, which makes it appear so. I absolutely LOVE what Empire did to the feedneck’s adjustment. Like Planet Eclipses feednecks, the Sniper feedneck is able to be adjusted without the use of an Allen Key. The only gripe I have with the feedneck is that it can be difficult to remove and re-install it if you choose to use the stock tube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiLbY0unf5U

The Stock Tube: I had a rough beginning with the stock tube. Check out my video to see the design of the tube, and then read this to understand my gripes. The back cap was almost impossible to turn out of the box. I used 3-in-1 oil, and hardly had any effect. My father and I later fixed the issue by removing the back cap, lubricating it with the stock lube, and just twisting it for awhile. Now it feels great. Having the spring-assist is nice, so you don’t have to “rock and cock,” although for some people who may want that, the spring mechanism is removable by unscrewing the rounded end of the feed tube. I think it would've been nice for Empire to include some 10-round tubes, but they're cheap enough to buy anyway (10 for $5).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK7zXw_53x4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7moWgXpZm0

CONCLUSIONS AREA:



First Impressions: This is my first pump marker. I haven’t had experience with CCMs or Autocockers with CCM parts, and I’ve heard they are a dream to shoot. My first impressions out of the box are very positive. I think this is a great pump marker for any player who wants to get into pump, a pumper who wants a new pump, but doesn’t want to build one or pay for a CCM, or any player looking to play pump without buying top-shelf, or used. Sure, there are other pumps out there, but with all of the accessories and extras, I believe the price is justified, and the Empire Sniper will shape up to be a very nice marker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttr-DLCpySw

TIPS AND TRICKS:



- While using this marker, or most pumps, if you hold the regulator instead of the pump handle and fire, the sound is much quieter. This may be because the valve is open longer. Cutterj found out that players would think there were two different people in his bunker because the sound was so drastically different. Note that this doesn't change velocity as long as the bolt is all the way forward! It will be double-checked soon (tip by Cutterj).

- To fix the issue with the stock tube cap being almost impossible to turn, pull out the plug and lubricate it with the stock lube (or any lube). It'll help tremendously (tip by Jarz and Cutterj).

EDITING LOG:

12/27/11 - Thread is created. Videos to come soon.
12/27/11 - The AT can NOT be switched to either side. Edited in post.
12/28/11 - Videos have been added! Sorry if they aren't the greatest.
12/29/11 - "Tips and Tricks" section is added; Cutterj supplies the first tip.

Edited by Jarz, 07 January 2012 - 01:48 PM.

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 02:26 PM

first! Now to read

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 02:31 PM

Great stuff can't wait to see the rest :tup:

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 03:24 PM

Great thread! :tup:

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 03:46 PM

would u mind if i also gave my thoughts on the sniper as ive got one as well

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 03:49 PM

May I ask you questions on the Technical aspects of the Sniper good sir?
in a few weeks I may be questioning you based on what I have in my hands.

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 03:50 PM

May I ask you questions on the Technical aspects of the Sniper good sir?
in a few weeks I may be questioning you based on what I have in my hands.


i believe mcarterbrown has a very indepth review on the tech specs of it

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 03:57 PM

May I ask you questions on the Technical aspects of the Sniper good sir?
in a few weeks I may be questioning you based on what I have in my hands.

Sure! What'cha wanna know? I might be able to answer them.

@Cutterj just PM me about it, and I'll be sure to include and credit you!

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 05:18 PM

When do the colors come out?
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Posted 27 December 2011 - 05:36 PM

When do the colors come out?

From what I hear, Empire is having a tough enough time getting the grey/black ones out there, so colors won't be for awhile. The pictures don't do it justice, the grey is actually fairly dark.
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Posted 27 December 2011 - 06:07 PM

When do the colors come out?


Empire is only going with 1 color. but yes the grey is not a light grey its almost slate. very dark grey. Look great imo

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 09:34 PM

I will hopefully have some of the videos up very soon! If I get focused and do it in the next day or two, that's what is ideal for me! Hope you guys like the videos!
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Posted 27 December 2011 - 10:09 PM

Sweet write-up!
So for the barrel, if the front is 14", and the back is 6.5". that is a whopping 20.5" barrel? :blink:

Or am I mis-reading or mis-understanding?


EDIT: This is straight from ANSgear's site "Empire Sniper Pump Aluminum 2-piece 14 inch barrel" so its a total of 14" :P that makes more sense
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Posted 27 December 2011 - 10:12 PM

Sweet write-up!
So for the barrel, if the front is 14", and the back is 6.5". that is a whopping 20.5" barrel? :blink:

Or am I mis-reading or mis-understanding?


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Cutterj, are you sure bout the one colour thing...? See here

The front makes for a total of 14"; the back sinks really far (I'd guess about 1.25-1.5") into the front. ANS does a lot of custom annos. Empire may only be doing one. I'm not 100% sure though.

EDIT: Damn it you edited. :P

Edited by Jarz, 27 December 2011 - 10:18 PM.

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 01:07 AM

Ansgear has color so I've heard? I might want to get this if I sell my ss freaks, and my red dot sight. $360 I'm on my way to getting it :)
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Posted 28 December 2011 - 01:25 AM

Yes i read from the main man at KEE him self. They grey/black option is the only color straight from KEE. now ansgear buy them and anno them that is why they are "exclusive" and yea the barrel back has a very large shank which increases the barrels strength because its less likely to snap in the event of a bad dive

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 01:56 PM

Ansgear has color so I've heard? I might want to get this if I sell my ss freaks, and my red dot sight. $360 I'm on my way to getting it :)

To be honest, save the little extra, get the grey/black one instead of a color, and you could get yourself some 10-round tubes, a little hopper, or something else paintball-related.
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Posted 28 December 2011 - 03:35 PM

Definitely thinking about saving up for one of these. Huge upgrade from my trracer lol.

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 03:44 PM

Definitely thinking about saving up for one of these. Huge upgrade from my trracer lol.

Trust me, you won't have any regrets getting this marker. Videos will be up in a few minutes!
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Posted 28 December 2011 - 03:56 PM

Videos have been added!
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Posted 29 December 2011 - 11:31 AM

Don't want this thread to die, so please, comment with your input! This is my first guide, and I just hope to help anyone who is thinking of picking one of these great markers up!
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Posted 29 December 2011 - 01:01 PM

Your putting alot of time into this, good job :tup: Once i sell my nightkast im gonna try and pick one of these up :D

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 04:02 PM

Your putting alot of time into this, good job :tup: Once i sell my nightkast im gonna try and pick one of these up :D

This is a thread I really want to stay. You won't be sorry, this is a great marker.
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Posted 29 December 2011 - 05:43 PM

Makes me want to buy one, but I don't dig pump :P

if you lubes tank barrel and hopper you can shoot gooder

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 05:45 PM

Makes me want to buy one, but I don't dig pump :P

I'm just getting into it! It'll be great for woodsball, then use my Axe for speedball.
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Posted 29 December 2011 - 06:24 PM

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 06:33 PM

awesome videos, this is really shaping up to be an amazing thread :tup:

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 06:43 PM

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 06:52 PM

I love all of the support guys! My ultimate goal would be to get this stickied over time, but that's in the future. I hope you all enjoy this thread, and I'll post whenever a major change is created, or I'm responding to a post, so be sure to check the Editing Log to see any new updates, as me and Cutterj are still getting to know these markers.
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Posted 02 January 2012 - 04:14 AM

Awesome gun!!!! Just got mine in the mail and can't keep my hands off it! Best thing I've ever done with $420 =P Thanks for starting this thread man!
Anyone thinking about picking one up....do it!!!!!!! Haha

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 07:19 PM

question. Is there a big velocity difference from holding the pump forward and not holding it (ie holding the reg instead?)

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 08:13 PM

question. Is there a big velocity difference from holding the pump forward and not holding it (ie holding the reg instead?)

As you'll find in the article, Cutterj found that the sound signature was definitely different. I'm not sure if the velocity is different. That could only be tested with a chrono, which I do not have. I could answer your question in a few weeks, but until then, I'll see if Cutterj knows.

Great pics there! POPS ASA... Nice. Not yours, I'm assuming?

Edited by Jarz, 02 January 2012 - 08:15 PM.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 12:55 AM

no note mine.

I was thinking that because the sound signature is quieter when not held, the velocity is also lower. just wondering by how much.

If i hold my phantom at around 275 FPS
un held it shoots around 265 FPS

just windering if its the same.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 07:37 PM

no note mine.

I was thinking that because the sound signature is quieter when not held, the velocity is also lower. just wondering by how much.

If i hold my phantom at around 275 FPS
un held it shoots around 265 FPS

just windering if its the same.

I'll be playing with it in a week or two, so I'll run that test over the chrono for you. I guess the smartest thing to do is chronon holding the marker, so your FPS peaks.
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Posted 03 January 2012 - 10:12 PM

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 10:19 PM

PIN IT
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Thanks bro! I want it pinned! I think it'll be really helpful!
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Posted 03 January 2012 - 10:43 PM

Why should this be pinned?

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 10:49 PM

Why should this be pinned?

I want to keep a guide open and pinned so:
A.) A player getting into pump with the budget for the Sniper may learn about it without making another thread.
B.) A player who currently owns a Sniper can add tips, come here for troubleshooting, and share experiences with it.
C.) Owners can have a place for constant referral and "player content" instead of the manual (we may find useful hints).

Sorry if B and C sound the same. I understand that point A may not truly be eliminated, so it may help.
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Posted 03 January 2012 - 10:51 PM

about velocity when not gripping the sniper. as long as u use the stock spring and the bolt is all the way forward it was the same as when holding the pump handle

And i dont agree that this should ever be pinned but maybe take this and put it into another thread for info on differant guns

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 10:57 PM

about velocity when not gripping the sniper. as long as u use the stock spring and the bolt is all the way forward it was the same as when holding the pump handle

And i dont agree that this should ever be pinned but maybe take this and put it into another thread for info on differant guns

The tip as been added. It would be nice to have a pinned thread with guides like this about different pump markers though.
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Posted 03 January 2012 - 11:16 PM


about velocity when not gripping the sniper. as long as u use the stock spring and the bolt is all the way forward it was the same as when holding the pump handle

And i dont agree that this should ever be pinned but maybe take this and put it into another thread for info on differant guns

The tip as been added. It would be nice to have a pinned thread with guides like this about different pump markers though.


i think it would make more people happy if they did like a "Pump review thread" and had that pinned so that if u needed a summary on the gun u go to that thread and look it up. that way it doesnt clutter the pins

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 01:39 AM


Why should this be pinned?

I want to keep a guide open and pinned so:
A.) A player getting into pump with the budget for the Sniper may learn about it without making another thread.
B.) A player who currently owns a Sniper can add tips, come here for troubleshooting, and share experiences with it.
C.) Owners can have a place for constant referral and "player content" instead of the manual (we may find useful hints).

Sorry if B and C sound the same. I understand that point A may not truly be eliminated, so it may help.


It takes an awful lot to get a sticky. This is just focusing on one gun so it won't help a huge amount of people. If you look at some write ups' like cooky's accuracy and range thread that isn't even stickied. It would just take up space imo if it was pinned. Just keep it in your sig and people will see it for a while as it won't likely fall back in the pages any time soon

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 03:07 PM

if traffic stays high in the thread it will always stay on the first page. when traffic goes down it will fall into page 2 and 3 and 4, and when it picks up again it will rise again to page 1.
that's the beauty of not pinning topics. it only shows whats recent.

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 03:53 PM

Alright, then we should make a single sticky with links to thread guides on guns. That way, he have an encycopedia of sorts.

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 06:57 PM

I can't wait to take my Sniper out! Since I can't get ahold of 10-round tubes quite yet, I'll be playing OC, with a shake-and-shoot, and no hitman mod. I'll see how the consistancy is, if there's an FPS difference gripping the reg instead of the pump handle, a rough efficiency test, and a few other things.
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Posted 06 January 2012 - 10:07 PM

another tips and tricks jarz. lube the Orings on the 10rd feedtube loader so u dont have to wrench it off. it slides ez after lube

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 10:07 PM

oh and im playing MSC with it tomarrow. ive played OC with it twice and its been GREAT.

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 01:02 PM

another tips and tricks jarz. lube the Orings on the 10rd feedtube loader so u dont have to wrench it off. it slides ez after lube

I mentioned that in the video, and I'll include it down there.

oh and im playing MSC with it tomarrow. ive played OC with it twice and its been GREAT.


I'm gonna play OC, then try out MSC. I'm very optimistic.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 01:42 AM

I have had my Sniper for about a month now. Only have two maybe three well I guess no more than five real complaints about it and all of them minor. First, plastic eye covers and detents. Come on, detents on a closed bolt design? Might prevent paintballs from being forced into the the breach by a force fed loader but not 100% sure...need to try it. Second, the delrin pump back...namely because I can't have it custom annoed along with the detent covers. Finally, it's a very meager parts kits and the feed neck is an absoute royal pain to get off. Other than that...the gun shoots phenominally and I have played several games very successfully with the gun against Egos and other high end electronics with the opponents underestimating me. I've also gotten wrecked. Find that underboring with the .680 works great but because of the huge temperature flucuations in the south-west, it is necessary to re-bore fairly early in the day and sometime you realize only after a barrel break. Overall I would have to give it a 9 out of 10. Haven't had the pleaseure of shooting any other pump guns. Oh, and the manual is pretty pathetic. You would think with a disk that it would be full color and a bit more in depth and explanatory. No worries...the auto-trigger timing is accessed by pulling the bolt out and taking a wag allen key and turing clockwise or counter clockwise until the stroke triggers when the bolt is nearly fully closed. Second, if the end cap is not turned in about a .25 in it won't matter what your HPR is set at you will get a range of velocities from 200-280...and you then risk damaging the HPR. I shoot a Ninja 49/4500 with an output pressure of 500 PSI and the gun when set somewhere in between 200 and 225 on the gauge with the end cap turned in a little bit consistently gives me a 277 +/- 3 fps spread when under boring paint. Hope this review helps.Also, if your HPR is "wobbely" you just need to turn the pump guide black thing...yeah I know real technical, in tightly. Hope this helps.


I found that the lube on the stock tube also helps...Only use a light coat as the spring can have a tendency...although rare...to push the cap out the back if you hit the gun abruptly on the ground.

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 10:52 AM

I have had my Sniper for about a month now. Only have two maybe three well I guess no more than five real complaints about it and all of them minor. First, plastic eye covers and detents. Come on, detents on a closed bolt design? Might prevent paintballs from being forced into the the breach by a force fed loader but not 100% sure...need to try it.


Thats actually why they were put there, the detents prevent loaders from double or triple feeding the balls when you pump back, They assumed the loaders going on the marker would be powerful enough to double feed. So they put detents in. I like that actually. (Note they are not Eye covers... :P just detent covers.)

Second, the delrin pump back...namely because I can't have it custom annoed along with the detent covers. Finally, it's a very meager parts kits and the feed neck is an absoute royal pain to get off.

The Delrin back Is there because if it was made of aluminum you get whats known as a "Galling" From the aluminum rubbing on aluminum, its gross and makes pump strokes hard and sticky unless your constantly lubing the metals. Also, its lighter and easier to replace if need be. Remember that the Empire Sniper was supposed to be a 500$ marker at a 400$ price tag, so they made a few changes to parts to allow easy manufacturing and replacement costs. which in turn, saves more when we purchase one


as for the Feedneck, I wonder if anyone has come up with a little trick to separate it without doing damage.

Edited by Eskimo, 11 January 2012 - 10:53 AM.

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