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#1 zephaniah

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 07:50 PM

i've had my 98 custom for bout 11 years now, has a response trigger,
not my primary marker at the moment, but i'd like to get it goin again,
my problem is that it shoots bout 3 shots then acts like its runnin out of pressure, it was chorno'in round 250 or so. has a new power tube, old one was cracked bad, all o-rings replaced last summer,

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 07:51 PM

Maybe it needs a new main spring.

My spyder makes a sound like its out of air when using HP air so thats what I'd guess.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 07:51 PM

Has it only done this with the response trigger, and ever since you got it?

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 07:54 PM

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 07:57 PM

It's most likely your drive spring.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 08:21 PM

replaced the main spring in it, response trigger messed up bout 5 years ago, tippmann warrentied it, replaced the main spring bout a month or so after the power tube, could the valve spring be a little week or somethin? just puzzles me

Has it only done this with the response trigger, and ever since you got it?


it does it when you do 3 or 4 trigger pulls, on the last one it does it, usin hpa, basically makin the machine gun effect, not lettin the hammer come all the way back, but i had 3-4k psi in the tank

Edited by zephaniah, 11 February 2012 - 08:26 PM.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 08:27 PM

You broke a tippmann???
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:04 PM

Check to see if the two valve bolts on the right mid of the gun are loose. if they come loose the valve moves around and the gun wont recock itself completely causing the false out of air issue.




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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:11 PM

I had the exact same problem. Do what tinybear said to do because that was my problem

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:20 PM

If you are using a HP air tank with it then that's a known issue. You need a SHP reg (Super high pressure) to work with the RT.

I'm not even bullshitting you that you NEED a SHP reg to keep it going if you have the RT.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:22 PM

If you are using a HP air tank with it then that's a known issue. You need a SHP reg (Super high pressure) to work with the RT.

I'm not even bullshitting you that you NEED a SHP reg to keep it going if you have the RT.


no you dont i used a 98 custom for a year with a normal ninja reg

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:23 PM


If you are using a HP air tank with it then that's a known issue. You need a SHP reg (Super high pressure) to work with the RT.

I'm not even bullshitting you that you NEED a SHP reg to keep it going if you have the RT.

no you dont i used a 98 custom for a year with a normal ninja reg

With an RT? You don't need an SHP for the Tippmann to shoot, you need the SHP to get the RT valve to work at 100%

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:23 PM

no you dont i used a 98 custom for a year with a normal ninja reg

Were you RTing? DIdn't think so.

You need a SHP reg if you are using an RT, which is what he is doing.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:25 PM


no you dont i used a 98 custom for a year with a normal ninja reg

Were you RTing? DIdn't think so.

You need a SHP reg if you are using an RT, which is what he is doing.


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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:27 PM

yes i did have a rt on it

Then you either modified your gun or had a broken reg since the RT won't work on a regular 800 PSI output.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:32 PM

Yes Tippmann RT triggers work just fine on a standard 800psi out put presure tank. I have had three tippmans with rt triggers (A 98c, a X7, and an A5) Never had issue with any of them running a regular high presure tank or Co2 (well co2 usually freezes the gun at high rates of fire but thats beside the point).

Further more the RT does not interact at all with the cycle of the marker so could not really cause the issue the original poster was speaking of.

If ya would like i can make a vid SHOWING my sisters current A5 with RT shooting just fine on a 3 different pure energy high presure (aka 800-850psi) air tanks.

Edited by TinyBear, 11 February 2012 - 11:34 PM.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:35 PM

Further more the RT does not interact at all with the cycle of the marker so could not really cause the issue the original poster was speaking of.

So it's valve isn't connected right to the same air that blows the ram back? That's new.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:53 PM


yes i did have a rt on it

Then you either modified your gun or had a broken reg since the RT won't work on a regular 800 PSI output.


I saw him use it, I even used the same gun with MY tank on it. And I use my tank on a PMR, and even a Spyder.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:59 PM


Further more the RT does not interact at all with the cycle of the marker so could not really cause the issue the original poster was speaking of.

So it's valve isn't connected right to the same air that blows the ram back? That's new.



Nope the RT AND CYCLONE operate on the propelant gas side of the valve NOT the blow back gas. check this vid to understaqnd better
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Posted 12 February 2012 - 12:08 AM

Another thing you can check is to see if your hammer oring is still good and if its sealing well with your valve. But particularly with the tippmann 98C the loose valve mounting bolts were more commonly the culprit.
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Posted 12 February 2012 - 12:09 AM

Nope the RT AND CYCLONE operate on the propelant gas side of the valve NOT the blow back gas. check this vid to understaqnd better

Got it, I just assumed that the valve setup for the A5 was like an inline spyder kind of deal where it uses the same valve area for the blowback gas and the firing gasses.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 11:38 AM

Another thing you can check is to see if your hammer oring is still good and if its sealing well with your valve. But particularly with the tippmann 98C the loose valve mounting bolts were more commonly the culprit.


i'll have to check it out, last i knew they were tight, but at the moment its disassembled, when i get it back together i'll check the hammer o-ring, and make sure those 2 bolts tight,

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 07:08 PM

put my 98 back together, checked the hammer o-ring, fit nicely, made sure the 2 bolts on for the power tube where tight, adjusted the valve on the response so it was turned off, put air to it, fired nice, till you get into it, then it acts up, still seems like its runnin out of air, but before it would keep doin the machine gun effect till you grabbed the bolt, now it just sputters and the bolt stays forward

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 08:08 PM

put my 98 back together, checked the hammer o-ring, fit nicely, made sure the 2 bolts on for the power tube where tight, adjusted the valve on the response so it was turned off, put air to it, fired nice, till you get into it, then it acts up, still seems like its runnin out of air, but before it would keep doin the machine gun effect till you grabbed the bolt, now it just sputters and the bolt stays forward


Well only other thing i can come up with would be your sear or hammer being severely worn out and at higher rates of fire your sear is not physically catching the hammer any more as both pieces could be rounded off. But that takes ALOT of firing to do on a Tippmann (that being said with RTs rate of fire they would wear quicker).

Short of that its gone be internal to the valve issue. If you don't mind can you get us pics of the sear and hammer to see? (don't want to recommend ya replace parts for no reason)

Edited by TinyBear, 19 February 2012 - 08:10 PM.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 09:15 PM


put my 98 back together, checked the hammer o-ring, fit nicely, made sure the 2 bolts on for the power tube where tight, adjusted the valve on the response so it was turned off, put air to it, fired nice, till you get into it, then it acts up, still seems like its runnin out of air, but before it would keep doin the machine gun effect till you grabbed the bolt, now it just sputters and the bolt stays forward


Well only other thing i can come up with would be your sear or hammer being severely worn out and at higher rates of fire your sear is not physically catching the hammer any more as both pieces could be rounded off. But that takes ALOT of firing to do on a Tippmann (that being said with RTs rate of fire they would wear quicker).

Short of that its gone be internal to the valve issue. If you don't mind can you get us pics of the sear and hammer to see? (don't want to recommend ya replace parts for no reason)


yeah, i'll tear into it again, and get a couple pics of the sear and hammer,

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 09:35 PM

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not the best pics, from what i can tell, for the age and amount of time i've used it, doesnt seem bad,

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 09:58 PM

Hmm hard to tell but yeah dont look too bad. The sear looks a bit wierd but not too sure (been a long time sice i had my 98). But tomorrow i will pull apart my carbine and A5 for comparison. my a5 is relitivly new my carbine has over a decade of HARD use so i compare the two and get back to ya.

How the spring for the sear holding up? maybe it is not resetting the sear back into place in time for the hammer to catch it? Never seen that before but now i kinda guessing to be honest .

I mean tippmanns are pretty simple little guns its not making sence to me. If ya cycling fine at slow rates of fire but start to mis catch at higher rates of fire i doubt its a valve issue (you dont hear any leaks either right?). so it leading me to belive it a mechanics issue and really only mechanics that can cause this issue is Valve mounting, hammer oring, hammer/sear/sear spring interaction.



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Posted 19 February 2012 - 10:13 PM

Hmm hard to tell but yeah dont look too bad. The sear looks a bit wierd but not too sure (been a long time sice i had my 98). But tomorrow i will pull apart my carbine and A5 for comparison. my a5 is relitivly new my carbine has over a decade of HARD use so i compare the two and get back to ya.

How the spring for the sear holding up? maybe it is not resetting the sear back into place in time for the hammer to catch it? Never seen that before but now i kinda guessing to be honest .

I mean tippmanns are pretty simple little guns its not making sence to me. If ya cycling fine at slow rates of fire but start to mis catch at higher rates of fire i doubt its a valve issue (you dont hear any leaks either right?). so it leading me to belive it a mechanics issue and really only mechanics that can cause this issue is Valve mounting, hammer oring, hammer/sear/sear spring interaction.


the spring is stiff, i wish the camera i used had a little clearer picture,
it doesnt make sense to me either

Edited by zephaniah, 20 February 2012 - 12:05 PM.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 11:24 PM

just get new spring the same thing happend to mine a year ago and now it works great

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 12:22 AM

just get new spring the same thing happend to mine a year ago and now it works great


talkin bout the hammer spring? if so, it has a new one in it

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:05 PM

Well after looking at both my A5 and my Pro Carbine i am lead to believe your issue is the Sear. Yours appears in the pictures to be bent were both mine are straight and sharp (can see wear on my Carbines but thats just slight rounding on the hammer end). Now this is just an estimated guess as i personally have not owned a 98 in a good 12 years (i sold the 98 after getting the carbine) and the sear design between the Carbine and again the A5 is different than that of the 98 so it may well be designed that way (my memory is only so good).

At this point it may be worth your wild to go down to your local proshop and just talk to the guys there. Especially with a field that uses 98s as there rentals.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:09 PM

You broke a tippmann???
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Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:19 PM

My RT 98 doesn't shoot with my standard output (870 psi) air tank. I use Co2

Edit: To clarify, the reason the model 98 doesn't shoot with the RT is not because of the extra gas needed, it's because of the recharge rate.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:39 PM

But again i have had three tippmans with RT all three shot just fine with a standard high pressure HPA tank. The 98c i had ran a 48ci 3000psi tank and Co2, I had an X7 it too ran fine on a 72ci 3000psi tank. And my sisters A5 shoot again just fine on her 50ci 4500psi tank.


Co2 and RT triggers are not a good combo i DO NOT recommend it due to velocity spikes at higher rates of fire. The only stuff i will run Co2 on in my collection is my Pro Carbine and my Trracer pump. Oh and my PGP (12G i have no choice).


And further more the poster is stating he is having issues with the rt OFF and it mis catching the hammer with quicker firing of the gun with just reg trigger pulls. This leads me to think it can only really be the Sear or Hammer issue.


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Posted 20 February 2012 - 08:05 PM

You broke a tippmann???
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Posted 20 February 2012 - 08:10 PM

Sear is worn. If you pull it out and look at it, if its "rounded" near the edge instead of a sharp cut. Then its worn.

You can go to pretty much any field and ask the owner if you can grab a new sear off his back table for a toonie or something. Most fields will have at least 30 Extra brand new sears for tippy 98's.

Actually ask em if you can just grab a new sear, new mainspring and if your bolt is all chewed up from use one of those too :)

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 11:57 PM

just took a closer look myself, the edge of the sear that would catch on the hammer is slightly rounded, dragging a finger over it, it doesnt feel sharp, same time, the back ledge of the hammer is the same way, so i think the combo of the 2 is makin it worse, both parts are cheap

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