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#1 PFD247

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 10:39 PM

So I was so excited to get a package in the mail this week. I ordered a new freak barrel to match my T2 and the anno matched perfect. :wub:
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I get to the field today, I get dressed, put everything together, fill pods, get air bla bla bla and head out to the field only to have the worst hour of paintball in my life :angry:

A) My first 7 shots went left. When I say left I mean left!!! The guy I was shooting at was about 50-60 feet away, a real easy shot, and I missed him by 10-15 feet to the left.
My thoughts.....
1. Might have a waxy coating on the inside from being bran new???
2. Maybe there is some dirt or some fuss is it???
3. Could have some oil in it???
4. Bad paint???
So I ran a bran new barrel swab through the barrel about 20 times and went back to shooting.......

Not only did it get worse but I also had a few more crazy ball flights. :blink:
B) Cork screw
C) Knuckle ball, the ball just fluttered back and forth.
D) and a sinker. Went out about 80 feet and did nose dive.
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I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn!!! Even had a few guys say " D whats wrong with you today, you off your game?" and "What the FU@k are you shooting at?" and "Your ball flight looks weird" :unsure:

So I went back to my gearbag, took off the freak barrel, took out the insert and put it my Deadly Winds barrel and went back to play and started gogging fokes :lol:
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It was a night and day difference.


After a day of play I still had that barrel on my mind. So I grabbed a buddies BL Vice to see if it did the same thing on his marker. and..... it did. Single shot, semi and ramping, all the same thing ALL OVER THE PLACE. I put about 6 pods through it to see if it needed to break in and again nothing. I wish I had it on video so you could understand how bad it was

I have never had this issue with any barrel that I have owned. I was 30 seconds from throwing this 90 dollar piece of shit in a lake next to the field
So my question for anyone who read this is
1. can it be fixed
2. does it need break in time
3. will polishing the inside help
4. could it be a defect
5. should I throw it in the lake

UPDATE 4-8-12 8:03

So to follow some of the suggestions mentioned below All shots were at about 65 feet at an old mask I hung on the fence.
* I started with the same dust black Freak back and the stormtrooper Freak front and the same field paint I used yesterday (Wrek Elite) shot 10 shots and like befor they were all over the place. One even hit a neighbors house :unsure:

* I shot 10 more using a different paint (DXS) like andrewthewookie suggested, and I got the same results. so its not the paint :)

* Next I tried the different backs with the stormtrooper front and different paint like andrewthewookie and TK-421said...... and still all over the place!!!! possibly the front? (Antonious)
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*then I tried 2 different fronts with the dust black back and the 2 different paints....... they all shot great, so its not the back :)
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* Then I tried warm soapy water and a barrel swab on the stromtrooper front like IhasAcallular suggested, and it shot a little better (4 out of 10 hit with each kind of paint)
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*Next I said FUCK IT, and broke out some polish, hacked up 2 barrel swabs and got a drill. Polished the tip for about 15 minutes
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Went back outside to shoot and out of 20 shots with both kinds of paint i only missed twice :lol:
So something, like Andrew and Cellular said, there was something on the inside of the barrel that I couldn't see

THANK YOU guys for helping find my problem and fixing it.
the process of elimination really helped

Edited by PFD247, 08 April 2012 - 08:04 PM.

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#2 andrewthewookie

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 10:41 PM

Did you look at the finish on the inside of the barrel?

Edited by andrewthewookie, 07 April 2012 - 10:41 PM.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 10:47 PM

Yeah looks perfect, no scratches or rub marks

even tried three different 679 inserts one being stainless

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 10:49 PM

It might be hard to tell, but does the front look like it might be out of alignment when you screw it onto the back?

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 10:52 PM

No, it looks like i could slide a playing card all the way around where the tip meets the back

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 10:55 PM

Have you had the chance to try it and the DW with other paint to see if it's a consistent thing with all paint?

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 10:55 PM

.679 may have been too small of an insert depending on what kind of paint you were using. I've had that trouble lately. And what was the Deadly Winds barrel bore?

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 10:58 PM

No I haven't tried other paint but I can tomorrow

the paint at our field is really small, its the same insert that i have used at that field for year and same insert that was in the freak

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:00 PM

.679 may have been too small of an insert depending on what kind of paint you were using. I've had that trouble lately. And what was the Deadly Winds barrel bore?

He used the exact same insert in both barrels, so that's not the problem.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:02 PM

I feel like it is a problem with the tip, rather than the back since you can check the inserts in your deadlywind.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:04 PM

I feel like it is a problem with the tip, rather than the back since you can check the inserts in your deadlywind.


the inside isn't as shiny as all the other barrels I have but it doesn't look dull if you know what I mean

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:05 PM

The only things I can think of is that there are bad tolerances on the inside of the tip, there's some flaw you're not seeing, or they turned out of center so that even when screwed in, the tip is just slightly off center.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:07 PM

The only things I can think of is that there's bad tolerances on the inside of the tip, there's some flaw you're not seeing, or they turned out of center so that even when screwed in, the tip is just slightly off center.


so throw it in the lake :(

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:08 PM

If possible, try the two barrels with other paint, and if the problem is still there, then it's safe to assume the barrel's doing something wrong.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:11 PM

If possible, try the two barrels with other paint, and if the problem is still there, then it's safe to assume the barrel's doing something wrong.


I have 2 other freak backs. A Stainless and a gloss black one. do you think I should try it on those?

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:13 PM

Yeah, try the other backs. We want to see just what combination does this.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 01:51 AM

Yep, definitely an issue with the tip.
Hopefully it's something minor, but if it's a machining flaw like I think, you may be SOL.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 02:05 AM

not necessarily maybe the orings that hold the insert are holding it slightly out of alignment i have had such issues with underbored inserted freak backs
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 02:27 AM

Yeah, try all the fronts on the back. We want to see just what combination does this, or if it's only the barrel front you just got.


He said two other backs, not fronts.

And try a different back, it's possibly a problem with the threads on that particular back, it might be those threads that make the front be a little cockeyed, which throws the balls off. If it does the same thing with all the backs, try a different front then. And hopefully if the front is the problem, then getting a different front will fix the problem. And if that doesn't work, I'd stick with the deadlywinds barrel.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 11:58 AM

Before putting too much thought into it, take the barrel into your kitchen and swab/rinse it with hot water. Its possible theres some polishing compound left over from the honing process, even though ive never personally had that happen. If it was a flaw in the actual barrel, i'd imagine the weird flight paths to be consistent, and be all unpredictable like you describe.

If thats not the problem, its more than likely a flaw with the honing on the inside of the barrel, and it wouldn't really be possible to fix without rehoning it. Did you have the barrel anodized, or did you buy it that color?

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 12:10 PM

Did you buy new? What's freak's warranty like? You may be able to get a replacement if you call them up

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 12:15 PM

Before putting too much thought into it, take the barrel into your kitchen and swab/rinse it with hot water. Its possible theres some polishing compound left over from the honing process, even though ive never personally had that happen. If it was a flaw in the actual barrel, i'd imagine the weird flight paths to be consistent, and be all unpredictable like you describe.

If thats not the problem, its more than likely a flaw with the honing on the inside of the barrel, and it wouldn't really be possible to fix without rehoning it. Did you have the barrel anodized, or did you buy it that color?


I bought it that color from ANS

Did you buy new? What's freak's warranty like? You may be able to get a replacement if you call them up


It has rub wear from my pump handle now :( so I dont know if they would take it back

washing now and trying different paint and back combos

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 12:16 PM

It's an ANS "exclusive" color, meaning they had it re-anodized from Gog. That may be the problem, if there was a flaw in the re-anodizing process.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:27 PM

It's an ANS "exclusive" color, meaning they had it re-anodized from Gog. That may be the problem, if there was a flaw in the re-anodizing process.

This.

Dont they normally just plug the barrel to keep the inside from being exposed to the anno process? Maybe they missed one of the 535235423 porting holes or something.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 07:28 PM

Maybe ANS fucked up when they anno'd them..

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:02 PM

Update :D

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:09 PM

Glad you got the problem resolved. I've really loved my freak barrels - was surprised to hear you had problems with it. Great idea with the "power swab".

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:16 PM

Glad you got the problem resolved. I've really loved my freak barrels - was surprised to hear you had problems with it. Great idea with the "power swab".


Why weren't you at the field this weekend? You would not believe how bad it was. It looked like it was my first time out.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:36 PM

Working on a term paper. Fortunately, the class is almost over. Hopefully will be @ the field on the 22nd.. Not sure yet.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 02:28 PM

Have you since correcting the problem attempted to contact who ever you purchased the freak barrel from? This seemed to be a major inconvenience for you, and I feel if you let the company know they should have some sort of compensation, apology or something, otherwise I'd give them a bad review, including that after many things, you could finally get it to work, but the hassle you had went through

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 04:13 PM

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 11:53 PM

Have you since correcting the problem attempted to contact who ever you purchased the freak barrel from? This seemed to be a major inconvenience for you, and I feel if you let the company know they should have some sort of compensation, apology or something, otherwise I'd give them a bad review, including that after many things, you could finally get it to work, but the hassle you had went through


No I haven't. Bought it from ANS and I've never really had a good experience with them but they were the only one who sold that color. I'm still waiting on parts from them so I don't know if I want to give a bad review....

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 10:24 AM

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