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#1 bigx

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 03:51 PM

Hey guys Its been a while but as of late I realized that I cant afford to keep playing with my AXE I spend too much money and paint is expensive, between my car and insurance and the fact im going to college soon I wont be able to afford to keep buying a case every other week. But the good news is Im selling the AXE and getting a Phantom. Before I do it, I want you opinions.

Should I keep it or not?

If I should go for the Phantom any pointers on how to prevent rollouts and how to play pump in general?

Thanks guys X.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 03:53 PM

why not just set your board to its lowest bps settin, put a 100 rd hopper on it and play hopper ball? that way you wont have to sell it and wont shoot anywhere near as much paint?

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 03:56 PM

why not just set your board to its lowest bps settin, put a 100 rd hopper on it and play hopper ball? that way you wont have to sell it and wont shoot anywhere near as much paint?


Tried that....... I know the whole thing about trigger control and stuff but I need that sort of physical limitations 10 rounds is 10 rounds.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 03:58 PM

a good way to prevent roll outs is detent rings, small bore barrel (forgot how small) or freak bored stock barrel.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 03:59 PM

a good way to prevent roll outs is detent rings, small bore barrel (forgot how small) or freak bored stock barrel.


I played with a completely stock phantom the other day and had more rollouts than eliminations.. It got kind of annoying thanks.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 04:02 PM

Before I got my Phantom barrel Freak bored I used nail polish and put three marks evenly spaced out right inside the barrel.

Layer it up and you have some nail polish detents.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 04:11 PM

You can also use a piece of tape and basically make a detent like a tippmann.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 04:38 PM

If you buy new buy straigh from cci he usually includes ghost rings for free

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 04:43 PM

Don't use Ghost Rings, just get your barrel freak bored. There are numerous benefits to having it freak bored, Ghost Rings also have a tendency to pinch paint. You could also have a detent mod done, by ASP: http://www.airsoldie...&Category_Code=

As to how to play pump in general: well, play pump! The best way to become a good pump player is to play often, and to try new things. You've gotta be aggressive.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 04:45 PM

Maybe instead of pleaying every other week, just switch it to once a month. Or you could even go once every other month if your desperate for money.


But if you still go pump: tighter bore control should help

Good Luck to your decision :tup:

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 04:53 PM

Freak bored barrel on a Phantom. Make sure it's modified stock class because stock class gets pricey after awhile.


Otherwise pump is cool, it's about having fun and saving money :tup:
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Posted 24 May 2012 - 05:18 PM

Check out the pump world forum, TONS of guides and tricks about how to play pump.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 06:31 PM

You don't have to buy mid or high grade paint. Some cheap paint actually shoots straight and breaks easy.

Meh I wouldn't get a phantom because I was never a fan of co2 cartrages.
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Posted 24 May 2012 - 06:33 PM

Meh I wouldn't get a phantom because I was never a fan of co2 cartrages.

Thats why you play MSC or OC because you don't need 12 grams.
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Posted 24 May 2012 - 08:25 PM

I'm just quitting paintball all together for the rest of the year :(
I tried playing pump and it just wasn't my thing, I had a phantom too. I had a detent ring that did pretty much nothing to help roll outs...

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 08:44 PM

try trading your axe for an empire sniper. you can still use your tank but you can use a ten round feed tube on it! the 10 rd. feed tube comes with the gun

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 10:19 PM

Before I got my Phantom barrel Freak bored I used nail polish and put three marks evenly spaced out right inside the barrel.

Layer it up and you have some nail polish detents.


Did this with my Azodin KP. it works very nicely.

Edit: Jwing, not to hijack the thread, how much would getting the stock barrel freak bored be? About how much do used inserts go for?

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 11:17 PM

I'm in the exact same boat your in, I just planned ahead a little more so I already have quite the supply of pump guns. My electro in in a nice tupperware container where it will be spending probably the next five years or so....
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Posted 25 May 2012 - 12:39 AM

I would play once a month instead of selling it.
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Posted 25 May 2012 - 06:45 AM

try trading your axe for an empire sniper. you can still use your tank but you can use a ten round feed tube on it! the 10 rd. feed tube comes with the gun

Or you could just get a OC phantom...
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Posted 25 May 2012 - 02:14 PM

Im trading my axe to a kid with a custom phantom http://www.ebay.com/...0#ht_500wt_1182 My friend bought this and he is going to give me cash and this for my full set up.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 05:07 PM

Keep the Axe, buy pump hopper, win.
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Posted 25 May 2012 - 06:36 PM

i think you should do it. you need to focus on your real life expenses and playing pump, you will have the 'same amount' of fun but paying less for it.
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Posted 25 May 2012 - 06:39 PM

Keep the Axe, buy pump hopper, win.

This. Or just learn to have trigger control. I have a friend that shoots less than 2 bags a day with his etek 3 and can easily hold his own on the speedball field. Pump doesn't magically save you paint. Last time I went to a big game I shot 3 1/2 bags, while my etek friend shot sub-2 bags

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 06:41 PM


Keep the Axe, buy pump hopper, win.

This. Or just learn to have trigger control. I have a friend that shoots less than 2 bags a day with his etek 3 and can easily hold his own on the speedball field. Pump doesn't magically save you paint. Last time I went to a big game I shot 3 1/2 bags, while my etek friend shot sub-2 bags

True, it's all my trigger control. I just like pump.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 06:48 PM



Keep the Axe, buy pump hopper, win.

This. Or just learn to have trigger control. I have a friend that shoots less than 2 bags a day with his etek 3 and can easily hold his own on the speedball field. Pump doesn't magically save you paint. Last time I went to a big game I shot 3 1/2 bags, while my etek friend shot sub-2 bags

True, it's all my trigger control. I just like pump.

I'm down to 250 balls a day now.

Oh ya totally. I'd take a pump any day. If I'm playing speedball my sprotshot will last for 8-12 rounds, if I'm playing rec I have to refill after only a game or two

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 06:53 PM


Keep the Axe, buy pump hopper, win.

This. Or just learn to have trigger control. I have a friend that shoots less than 2 bags a day with his etek 3 and can easily hold his own on the speedball field. Pump doesn't magically save you paint. Last time I went to a big game I shot 3 1/2 bags, while my etek friend shot sub-2 bags


Pump hopper (100 rd, 50 rd). I never said pump gun.
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Posted 25 May 2012 - 07:11 PM



Keep the Axe, buy pump hopper, win.

This. Or just learn to have trigger control. I have a friend that shoots less than 2 bags a day with his etek 3 and can easily hold his own on the speedball field. Pump doesn't magically save you paint. Last time I went to a big game I shot 3 1/2 bags, while my etek friend shot sub-2 bags


Pump hopper (100 rd, 50 rd). I never said pump gun.

Neither did I

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 08:19 PM

I usually shoot 2-3 bags when I buy a case, and have at least 3 pods left over. Axe with a Z2. It's all about control.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 08:21 PM

You said you play every weekend?

How about skip a day or two in a month... same more money taht way.. because if you still played every weekend, admission and air will remain the same.. just some slight paint prices will change.. thats all..

or just play even less...
I only play like up to 6 times a year... hopefully at most every weekend for july and part of august...

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 09:41 PM




Keep the Axe, buy pump hopper, win.

This. Or just learn to have trigger control. I have a friend that shoots less than 2 bags a day with his etek 3 and can easily hold his own on the speedball field. Pump doesn't magically save you paint. Last time I went to a big game I shot 3 1/2 bags, while my etek friend shot sub-2 bags


Pump hopper (100 rd, 50 rd). I never said pump gun.

Neither did I


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Posted 25 May 2012 - 10:06 PM

Buy ten round tubes, keep your axe, and put the ten rounds in the feedneck.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 06:29 AM

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This is soon to be mine <3 The field that I play a has a lot f guys running high End Electros and
I have almost never seen anyone run a stock class pump. This is going to be interesting. :)

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 07:58 AM

I seriously recommend spending the $50 on a 13/3000, I spent $90 one year on 12grams, so a 13/3000 will pretty much get rid of the 12 gram cost, but I do recommend trying it in true stock class form first.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 08:05 AM

Or a 4 oz co2 tank and keep the stock.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 07:09 AM

I got the phantom and it comes with a detent kit, only problem is the pup stroke isint all that smooth anyone know any possible causes for this?

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 06:36 PM

I got the phantom and it comes with a detent kit, only problem is the pup stroke isint all that smooth anyone know any possible causes for this?

Because phantoms aren't that smooth, simple as that.
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 07:37 PM

I got the phantom and it comes with a detent kit, only problem is the pup stroke isint all that smooth anyone know any possible causes for this?


Make sure the nut on the pump arm between the spring and handle is not tight against the pump handle. Always causes problems on mine. Otherwise, yeah phantoms really don't have a great pump stroke.




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