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#1 Stix

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:05 PM

Ok, to cut down on the amount of advice on which pc/laptop to buy, or what parts to build, I'm making a thread that will contain all questions and answers to such questions. Everyone who responds in this thread is really knowledgeable, so if we tell you it's not hard to build a PC, trust us, it isn't. We'll also help you as much as possible with anything you guys ask. Trust me on this.
Also, stolen from Blade of Grass, follow this format Por Favor.:

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I have to get this off my chest, if your posting in the computer section asking for advice on what computer you should get, or something like that, please specify.

Build or Buy:
Budget:
What you going to be doing on it:
What your looking for:
Desktop or Laptop:

And please, make it so it makes sense. Yeah we all have some grammar/typing fail moments, or are typing things that are hard to phrase, but for the love of god, don't put gibberish that makes no sense.

/Mini helping rant

Its just takes longer if we have to ask the above questions every time. if you want fast and efficient help, do something like the above, it will be 10x faster to help you out.


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Posted 06 June 2012 - 09:10 PM

I approve.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 07:58 PM

And just to clarify guys, we're not trying to be dicks or anything, we just want to cut down on the amount of "Help me pick out a PC/Laptop/Parts threads".
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 08:17 PM

Let me try it.

Build or Buy: build
Budget: $500, semi flexible
What you going to be doing on it: gaming, probably MWO. Occasional word processing and internet surfing, in case that's relevant.
What your looking for: power per buck, forward compatibility if at all possible
Desktop or Laptop: desktop


I'd like to ditch my current rig, which having been built almost 6 years ago, is rather obsolete. I believe I can reuse the case and associated disk drives, the power supply (500W) and the hard drive, and thus end up with a sightly more powerful rig by only replacing the mobo, cpu, gpu and ram (did I miss anything?), rather than starting from scratch.


Obviously it would be impossible to truly future proof it, but having no idea which companies are doing what right now, I have no idea which interfaces are going to be obsolete soon, and which will likely stick around. If someone has any insight related to that, I would greatly appreciate it.


Last note: I'm willing to wait a few months if new releases will either become more economical or push otherwise out-of-budget parts into range.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 08:29 PM

Mobo - $79.99
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813130616
CPU - $199.99
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116507
GPU - $189.99
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814150521
RAM - $66.99
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820145332
Total: $539.96
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 09:17 PM

http://www.newegg.co...t/Product.aspx?
Item=N82E16820178412
$56
And swap the video card for this
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814150515
$160
And the mobo for this
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813130646
$120
CPU
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116507
$200
Total=$536
Either what I'ce said or what Stix has said is great, but mines a bit more future proof with the mobo :P
If you go with what stix says, get the double d 6850 instead, their is only a 7% performance increase to get the $50 more expensive 6870.

Edited by Blade of grass, 07 June 2012 - 09:19 PM.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 10:14 PM

Thanks a bunch guys, just one question. What exactly does the "turbo" refer to? It sounds like a built in overclock function, but I'd like to be sure.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 10:22 PM

Doesn't Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge use dual channel ram, because stix suggested triple channel ram.
Also here is a build I made PC
Edit: crap forgot to ask do you have a microcenter near you because this build includes microcenter prices.

Edited by polishboy1098, 07 June 2012 - 10:27 PM.

Or instead of a Rotor, get a used Pinokio or Prophecy and use the left over money for cool shit, like taquitos and hookers.




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Posted 08 June 2012 - 07:20 AM

Doesn't Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge use dual channel ram, because stix suggested triple channel ram.
Also here is a build I made PC
Edit: crap forgot to ask do you have a microcenter near you because this build includes microcenter prices.


I do have one fairly close.

Why did you go with the 2500k instead of the 3450s? The 2500k advertises a faster clock, but from what I've found it benches slightly lower. Given they are the same price, it'd be nice to get some more input before I go buy anything.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:03 PM


Doesn't Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge use dual channel ram, because stix suggested triple channel ram.
Also here is a build I made PC
Edit: crap forgot to ask do you have a microcenter near you because this build includes microcenter prices.


I do have one fairly close.

Why did you go with the 2500k instead of the 3450s? The 2500k advertises a faster clock, but from what I've found it benches slightly lower. Given they are the same price, it'd be nice to get some more input before I go buy anything.


With a decent cooler you can overclock to over 4Ghz but the 3450 cant overclock, it has a locked multiplier

Or instead of a Rotor, get a used Pinokio or Prophecy and use the left over money for cool shit, like taquitos and hookers.




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Posted 08 June 2012 - 06:36 PM

Doesn't Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge use dual channel ram, because stix suggested triple channel ram.
Also here is a build I made PC
Edit: crap forgot to ask do you have a microcenter near you because this build includes microcenter prices.

Why would you get as ASRock board? Get a name brand like MSI, ASUS, Gigabyte, and Intel.

If still go with the Ivy bridges because overclocking voids your warranty and cuts down the lifespan.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:34 PM

So it appears the GPUs you guys recommended both require 2 PCI-E power supplies, but my supply only has one. I guess no one followed my links. Posted Image

Are there any comparable GPUs that only require one PCI, or do I need to adjust my build to include a new power supply?

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 08:14 AM

They usually come with adapters. To make a single PCIe into 2. Or they use the Molex's.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 12:50 PM


Doesn't Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge use dual channel ram, because stix suggested triple channel ram.
Also here is a build I made PC
Edit: crap forgot to ask do you have a microcenter near you because this build includes microcenter prices.

Why would you get as ASRock board? Get a name brand like MSI, ASUS, Gigabyte, and Intel.

If still go with the Ivy bridges because overclocking voids your warranty and cuts down the lifespan.


It'll only cut down on the lifespan if you increase the voltage, and by using a proper cooler then the heat wont do any damage either.

Or instead of a Rotor, get a used Pinokio or Prophecy and use the left over money for cool shit, like taquitos and hookers.




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Posted 12 June 2012 - 03:38 PM

Build or Buy: buy
Budget: $800 flexible
What you going to be doing on it: gaming along with other stardard stuff
What your looking for: good processor with a decent amount of internal memory
Desktop or Laptop: laptop
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 08:00 PM



Doesn't Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge use dual channel ram, because stix suggested triple channel ram.
Also here is a build I made PC
Edit: crap forgot to ask do you have a microcenter near you because this build includes microcenter prices.

Why would you get as ASRock board? Get a name brand like MSI, ASUS, Gigabyte, and Intel.

If still go with the Ivy bridges because overclocking voids your warranty and cuts down the lifespan.


It'll only cut down on the lifespan if you increase the voltage, and by using a proper cooler then the heat wont do any damage either.

Have you ever overclocked? Just Woundering.

But it still voids your warranty.

Also, all cards that need two PCIe cords come should come with an adapter.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 06:10 PM

I overclock my graphics card but not the processor

Or instead of a Rotor, get a used Pinokio or Prophecy and use the left over money for cool shit, like taquitos and hookers.




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Posted 14 June 2012 - 09:11 PM

Well if you overclock and it becomes unstable (sometimes even overclocking it a-bit), you need to up the voltage to make it stable.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 09:13 PM

Build or Buy: buy
Budget: $800 flexible
What you going to be doing on it: gaming along with other stardard stuff
What your looking for: good processor with a decent amount of internal memory
Desktop or Laptop: laptop

Well, gaming and laptop doesnt really mix.
What I would suggest is buy a cheap or used laptop, then build a PC with the extra.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:07 PM

Build or Buy: Build
Budget: $4-$600, can't go much higher
What you going to be doing on it: gaming mostly
What your looking for: Run games like bf3 and arma II or just run of the mill gaming pc. I don't really care about being able to run it in ultra hi-def or anything, just want to be able to play and not have my gameplay affected by my hardware.
Desktop or Laptop: desktop

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 08:00 AM

Case = $50
HDD = $80
Mobo = $85
Phenom II X4 black edition = $120
XFX 7770 GHz edition $130
DVD = $18
PSU = $90
Muskin 8GB RAM
Windows 7 home edition
total is over by a bit = $718
But I strongly recommend that you either save up, or suck it up and shell out the cash for some of the the mider range stuff (mobo (it has UEFI BIOS which is nice, plus it supports any speed of RAM(upgrade proof)), PSU(higher wattage, but its modular and 80 plus silver, its upgrade proof and will last), HDDs, and if you can shell out an extra $50 on top, getting a better case would be nice for your self).
I'd see what other people recommend too (like Stix who will come in here and wow you with a better AMD setup). :D

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 06:36 PM

This thread is hopping, I like it.

Edited by Stix, 17 June 2012 - 06:36 PM.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 12:12 PM

Yeah, but no one has posted in this area for two days RWARR

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 03:48 PM

I think you should add a Overclock/No Overclock option to the form you fill out. Could save some people a few bucks or you could adjust the parts accordingly.

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 07:39 PM

Honestly, the way I see it, there's no real advantages to, other than dick waiving, over clocking.
So I don't see a need to put it in the form.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 06:11 AM

Honestly, the way I see it, there's no real advantages to, other than dick waiving, over clocking.
So I don't see a need to put it in the form.

Same.
And most people would rather have a product last 2 years, then have it be two times faster and last 9 months.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 08:58 PM

A friend wants to do a lot of video/picture/music editing and doesn't want to build.

I need help finding a prebuilt that would suit his needs. He doesn't game at all

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 09:24 PM

What kinds of vides? (resolution, FPS, etc.)
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Posted 23 June 2012 - 11:42 PM

AMD HD 7970M vs Nvidia GTX 680M?

Is the 680M worth the extra $295?

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 01:16 AM

What kinds of vides? (resolution, FPS, etc.)


I have no idea, I just know he is using a 24" tv as his monitor
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Posted 24 June 2012 - 09:11 AM

AMD HD 7970M vs Nvidia GTX 680M?

Is the 680M worth the extra $295?

What are you doing on it? If gaming I'd get a desktop over a laptop.

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 09:14 AM

This is the best I can do as far as pre-builds go. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16883229333
The GPU it hasn't isn't all that great though. But, your friend should be able to upgrade later on if he wants to.

EDIT: I agree with Blade. "Gaming" Laptops are kind of a rip off. Just get a cheap laptop for school work and a desktop for gaming/editing on.

Edited by Stix, 24 June 2012 - 09:15 AM.

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 05:24 PM


AMD HD 7970M vs Nvidia GTX 680M?

Is the 680M worth the extra $295?

What are you doing on it? If gaming I'd get a desktop over a laptop.



This is the best I can do as far as pre-builds go. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16883229333
The GPU it hasn't isn't all that great though. But, your friend should be able to upgrade later on if he wants to.

EDIT: I agree with Blade. "Gaming" Laptops are kind of a rip off. Just get a cheap laptop for school work and a desktop for gaming/editing on.


The laptop is for college, and I will be using 3D software like AutoCAD and Solidworks, some Photoshop, light video editing, and of course, heavy gaming. The 7970M is almost as fast a desktop GTX 580 when overclocked, and the laptop I'm looking at is a bit less than $1,500. The difference between a $1500 dollar laptop and desktop isn't that wide anymore, especially since I already have an excellent power supply, HD, SSD, and drives in my current desktop that I can transfer over to my next desktop build, which I'm making either this fall or next spring.

I have to admit that going with a cheap laptop and upgrading my current tower is tempting though.

The laptop is the Clevo P150EM SE, but I'm buying it from a reseller boutique.

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 06:47 PM

Honestly, you're not going to get the results you think with that laptop. As good as the GPU might be, it's still a mobile version, and not heatsinked correctly for you to even consider OC'ing it. Not to mention, the laptop will heat up like a motherfucker in July when you try to run SolidWorks.
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Posted 24 June 2012 - 07:55 PM

Honestly, you're not going to get the results you think with that laptop. As good as the GPU might be, it's still a mobile version, and not heatsinked correctly for you to even consider OC'ing it. Not to mention, the laptop will heat up like a motherfucker in July when you try to run SolidWorks.


It's made on a 28 nm process, and even overclocked never runs over 70C (80C with Furmark) on IC Diamond 7 paste, which is extremely respectable even by desktop standards, since they're rated for 100C. These laptops are made by hand and the heatsinks are pretty beefy, and the CPU and GPU are on each side of the laptop, each with it's own dedicated fan that blows out the back, like the ASUS G series.

Honestly, if I hadn't discovered these custom Clevo/Sager laptops and seen their performance and cooling capabilities, I would have never even considered a gaming laptop. But browsing gaming laptop forums like notebookreview for a few months changed my mind, there's a wealth of information and opinions. Of course, every person will have different needs and compromises, and these laptops simply outweigh their cons with their power and design for me. The only cons are weight, thickness, and battery life, which are irrelevant to me, I just need mobility and an outlet.

The idea may seem ridiculous, but in reality it is much more possible than you think.

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 08:04 PM

lawl, That was my most 1337 post. Jus' Sayin'. Also, do you have a link to this laptop manufacturer? If they're as good as you say they are, I'm interested. (being that I'm in the market for a laptop right now)
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Posted 24 June 2012 - 08:43 PM

lawl, That was my most 1337 post. Jus' Sayin'. Also, do you have a link to this laptop manufacturer? If they're as good as you say they are, I'm interested. (being that I'm in the market for a laptop right now)


You can't buy them directly from the manufacturer, and the number one builder in the world is called Sager, which makes most of the laptops that resellers sell and rename.

Clevo manufactures the barebones in Taiwan, a reseller/boutique like XoticPC orders the barebones from the middleman Sager, which puts the barebones together and ships them to the reseller for custom assembly that the buyer asked for.

You CAN buy them from Sager and they will also customize it for you, but their customer service is below average, compared to the excellent one provided by the re sellers around the country.

These are the biggest and most popular resellers in the US, and they all have excellent CS records. They also have the best prices, as some resellers like Origin and ibuypower severely overprice them and add tacky shells to try and differentiate their barebones.
xoticpc.com
malibal.com
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pro-star.com
Mythlogic.com


The bolded ones are different, Malibal gets their barebones from Sager, but they are in the same state that they received them from Clevo, so they are considered a semi-builder. Mythlogic is an awesome bunch of guys who compete directly with Sager, but aren't anywhere near as big. They receive their barebones directly from the manufacturer Clevo as well, so they are considered a full builder. They do charge a considerable premium for this though, as they rigorously benchmark with furmark and other benchmark for temps, as well as checking the screen and state of the hardware before shipping it out. They also have a distinct upgrade plan and the warranty and repairs are handled directly from their warehouse, unlike the unbolded resellers; they ship your laptop to Sager for serious hardware repair under warranty. Note, resellers are still better than Sager direct because they handle any support over the phone, which is lifetime 24/7.

Being able to customize almost every part in your laptop is awesome, and these laptops are extremely easy to take apart and repair if your warranty runs out or if you want to make upgrades.

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 09:37 PM

Hmm, so why don't you save your self money a build your self a laptop?
And still, a gaming laptop won't be what you like, when you only get an half an hour of battery life, and the thing is running at 80c, you won't be too happy. Plus, a $1500 gaming rig would smoke a gaming laptop.

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 10:12 PM

Hmm, so why don't you save your self money a build your self a laptop?
And still, a gaming laptop won't be what you like, when you only get an half an hour of battery life, and the thing is running at 80c, you won't be too happy. Plus, a $1500 gaming rig would smoke a gaming laptop.


I don't think building a laptop is possible, or feasible.

This laptop has AMD Enduro/Nvidia Optimus which turns the GPU off when not using it, allowing for 3-4 hours of web browsing or light usage, which is great for a laptop in this category. This only started shipping in this year's Clevo lineup refresh.

The laptop shouldn't exceed 65C at stock clocks, even under full load, which is well under Intel and AMD's recommended temperatures. Even the highest stable clock and voltage for the GPU wont push it past 70C when gaming. The fans in these are of very high quality. The build quality is also superb compared to other big name laptop brands.

I understand a $1500 tower would be better, but I would like it to be mobile, and the performance gap is really not that wide with this generation of mobile cards. And I could just buy a 670 and put it in my current rig later to make it competitive again.



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Posted 24 June 2012 - 11:08 PM

I can't seem to find any with ATI graphics, the ones you linked all have NVidia. :/
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 06:06 AM

Yes building a laptop is possible, that's how they do it.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 07:58 AM

While it's possible, it's a lot harder for people like us to get parts for them. OEM's usually have stronger connections with parts manufacturers.
EDIT: But at most of those price points, most of them don't even come with 8GB of RAM Standard. Seems a little messed up. So I'm thinking I'll just wait for the Vizio laptops to come out. (Matte 1080P displays, 1TB HDD's, and 8GB of RAM standard)

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 09:30 AM

While it's possible, it's a lot harder for people like us to get parts for them. OEM's usually have stronger connections with parts manufacturers.
EDIT: But at most of those price points, most of them don't even come with 8GB of RAM Standard. Seems a little messed up. So I'm thinking I'll just wait for the Vizio laptops to come out. (Matte 1080P displays, 1TB HDD's, and 8GB of RAM standard)


What's your budget? There's like 7 models.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 10:25 AM

Build or Buy: Not sure. A computer would probably be a good start. I'd rather not put something together wrong, I hate ?Ikea instructions. they piss me off.
Budget: around 500$ - 700$, entry level

What you going to be doing on it: Pokemon. Probably be playing pokemon, Red, Blue, Gold, Silver, Crystal, ruby, black, white, yellow, fire red, Water blue, you know.. sometimes I might play pokemon snap.. or Pokemon stadiums. OH And I'll be watching alot of porn. like up to 12 hours a day of porn, I like hearing porn while playing Pokemon. Gives it that extra OHHHHHHH when I Use Hydro Pump with my Garadoes + mystic Water + Rain Combo.

What your looking for: Well I like Water Pokemon becuase they make use of the 4 HM's that are water related, so Usually I have 3 out of my 10 rotation pokemon that are either primary or secondary water based, I also like Ice types for Dragon pokemon at the Elite 4 level, I always have a Fighting type with the Black Belt on so I can make good use of the Ever So Broken attack of Recoil. (Hitmonlee with Recoil can 1 hit every pokemon in the game when you EV train his attack all the way up.)

Desktop or Laptop: See this is where it gets hard, I HATE trying to play pokemon while watching porn on my lab, where does my hand go? under the laptop? Then I'm stuck in a weird position, and then if I let go of lap top it Fly's of and smashes onto the ground. and I lose my warrenty due to Water damage. But with the Desk top I always end up with Serious Traumatic Bruising on the top of my hand.

And please, make it so it makes sense. Yeah we all have some grammar/typing fail moments, or are typing things that are hard to phrase, but for the love of god, don't put gibberish that makes no sense.



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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:07 AM

LMFAO Eskimo, that's actually really lulz worth. +infinite internets for you.
what field do you usually play at?

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:37 AM

Camp X usually. I love Camp X, But other fields are always viable. I like driving out to fields.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:59 AM


While it's possible, it's a lot harder for people like us to get parts for them. OEM's usually have stronger connections with parts manufacturers.
EDIT: But at most of those price points, most of them don't even come with 8GB of RAM Standard. Seems a little messed up. So I'm thinking I'll just wait for the Vizio laptops to come out. (Matte 1080P displays, 1TB HDD's, and 8GB of RAM standard)


What's your budget? There's like 7 models.



The Vizio's are 1050, so somewhere in there. I'd very much rather have ATI graphics though because I'll be throwing Ubuntu on it.
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 02:38 PM



While it's possible, it's a lot harder for people like us to get parts for them. OEM's usually have stronger connections with parts manufacturers.
EDIT: But at most of those price points, most of them don't even come with 8GB of RAM Standard. Seems a little messed up. So I'm thinking I'll just wait for the Vizio laptops to come out. (Matte 1080P displays, 1TB HDD's, and 8GB of RAM standard)


What's your budget? There's like 7 models.



The Vizio's are 1050, so somewhere in there. I'd very much rather have ATI graphics though because I'll be throwing Ubuntu on it.


As of now, the only ATI option is the 7970M, which is a flagship GPU and came out last month, and everything else is Nvidia, unfortunately.

Those Vizio laptops are extremely nice though.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 07:18 PM

I think I'll hold out for one of the Vizio's, they do more than enough for what I want to replace my current laptop for.
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