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#1 livestrong 917

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 03:34 PM

Heres a link to their FB Page My linkylink

Zenith x2 . Might actually do quite well in the market hopefully.. so far looks solid

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 04:54 PM

looks like a wanna be ego lol

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 04:59 PM

looks like a wanna be ego lol

And what does that make the DP FX?

Until I can see what the specs on it are I'll hold my judgement



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Posted 03 July 2012 - 05:03 PM

Looks nice.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 05:04 PM

all i see is a 45 swivel better milling and wrap around grips similar to those of a creed

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 05:27 PM

Neat. Can't wait to see the specs + Price.



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Posted 03 July 2012 - 05:47 PM

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 05:56 PM

It seems like the trigger is far out there to me. Also, note the clamping feedneck. That will fix what was perceived as a big knock to the brand.
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 06:00 PM

A user on PBN with a username that looks to be associated with Azodin is getting after everyone who rips on it. He should just leave it alone and let it happen.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 06:02 PM

I hope the trigger is going to be terrible. Based purely on looks, though, the rest of the marker looks fine.
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 06:08 PM

Waddafuck with that trigger?

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 06:08 PM

Trigger reminds me of the legend's. Dont be so quick to judge :P
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 06:10 PM

So is this the electro-pnuematic they said was coming out this year?


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Posted 03 July 2012 - 06:11 PM

Trigger reminds me of the legend's. Dont be so quick to judge :P

he is right, triggers that are kicked out that much tend to be really fast

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 06:34 PM

I have to be honest that I'm pretty excited about this - I can't wait for them to release more details. I'm especially curious about the price point - is this cheaper than the first version, same price, or running in the mini/G4 range?
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 08:18 PM

I'm a big Mini fan, so if they get these things done, it can compete in the Mini price range:

- Get at least 6-7 pods from a 68/45. Remember, this is probably geared for newer player, it doesn't need 10 or more pods.
- Make maintenance relatively quick and easy. If I spend less than 15 minutes doing regular light maintenance, I'm happy.
- Have different sized-barrel backs available. If they can make .681, .685, and .689 backs available, that'd be a great step. I'm assuming the back is about .693-ish.

Honestly, if the trigger works nicely (or aftermarket triggers are available), this looks great. I'd throw a POPS and a better trigger on there, and if the marker shoots well and gets good efficiency, it looks to be a great marker.
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 08:31 PM

I'm a big Mini fan, so if they get these things done, it can compete in the Mini price range:

- Get at least 6-7 pods from a 68/45. Remember, this is probably geared for newer player, it doesn't need 10 or more pods.
- Make maintenance relatively quick and easy. If I spend less than 15 minutes doing regular light maintenance, I'm happy.
- Have different sized-barrel backs available. If they can make .681, .685, and .689 backs available, that'd be a great step. I'm assuming the back is about .693-ish.

Honestly, if the trigger works nicely (or aftermarket triggers are available), this looks great. I'd throw a POPS and a better trigger on there, and if the marker shoots well and gets good efficiency, it looks to be a great marker.


I think the current Zenith does all of these things, but gets a bad rap for not being a Proto Rail / GOG eXTCy. The current stock barrel bore is .689 and then they have a cf barrel that is .691. I would bet maintenance of the bolt and striker are less than 5 minutes of regular maintenance - more if you breakdown the reg or ZeRO system regularly. I look at the Zenith as an alternate budget version of the Etek that provides a poppit alternative to the Rail and eXTCy spools.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 08:38 PM

cant wait to see the specs

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 09:42 PM

needs an asa with out macro out the front.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:54 PM

looks like azodin is going to have a great little maker.
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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:04 AM

Looks really cool, and digging the two piece.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 03:53 AM

any barrel will do.Curious about operating pressure,reliability,material...

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:03 PM

looks like an F8
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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:50 PM

looks like an F8



Exactly my first thought of it!

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 04:46 PM

Still an electro spyder.
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Posted 04 July 2012 - 05:04 PM

Not my taste but doesn't look half-bad.

Thumbs up for Azodin. :tup:

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 05:15 PM

It's cute.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 08:26 PM

looks like azodin is going to have a great little maker.


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Posted 04 July 2012 - 08:41 PM

I liked the zenith until i found out it was a sear tripper. Then after that i was lookIng for different products. It seems kind of like a downgrade, or atleast no one has given me enough proof to use one over somethIng else

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 12:31 PM

Still an electro spyder.

So is an Ego 11 if you think about it.
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Posted 05 July 2012 - 01:08 PM

Surprisingly acceptable.
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Posted 05 July 2012 - 01:26 PM

I liked the zenith until i found out it was a sear tripper. Then after that i was lookIng for different products. It seems kind of like a downgrade, or atleast no one has given me enough proof to use one over somethIng else

What's wrong with a sear tripper? Do you shoot cockers?

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 10:16 PM

looks like a wanna be ego lol

Just cause of its double stacked tube design? It looks nothing like an ego.

On a side note, that trigger looks a lot like the triggers they have now, and they are shit.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 10:50 PM


I liked the zenith until i found out it was a sear tripper. Then after that i was lookIng for different products. It seems kind of like a downgrade, or atleast no one has given me enough proof to use one over somethIng else

What's wrong with a sear tripper? Do you shoot cockers?

Idk it just seems less advanced compared to other markers.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 11:29 PM

doesn't look bad. I love to see companies flood the market with ... Lower tier mid-ends ... Makes it a slug fest for companies wanting your Cash.

The only thing I'm kinda skeptical about is the Trigger, I really hope it's not a sensor style trigger.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:04 AM


Still an electro spyder.

So is an Ego 11 if you think about it.

No an Ego doesn't use a pancake solenoid and has a set dwell time
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:27 AM

IMO it looks pretty badass.Hopefully it will be one of a few good cheap electros.If you think about it,it might be like a GOG envy vs.extcy thing:just a normal zenith on steroids.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 04:13 AM

IMO it looks pretty badass.Hopefully it will be one of a few good cheap electros.If you think about it,it might be like a GOG envy vs.extcy thing:just a normal zenith on steroids.

I wish we knew more, but I'm going to venture out on a limb and say I don't think so. Azodin announced they were releasing an electropneumatic and a spool this year. This clearly is not a spool design with the stacked tubes.

Assuming they meant electropneumatic in the most literal and accurate sense, the firing type is going to be more like the PE Ego line - using pressured air to blow the bolt forward before the escape air chamber marries up with the firing of the ball. The Zenith type 1 uses a spring to move the bolt forward instead. It depends on how they price it, but assuming it's near $300 this will be a direct competitor for the other low-priced true electropneumatic in the Dangerous Power G4. If they price it near $450 then it will be a direct competitor to the next closest true electropneumatic which is the Etek. I'm betting they market it around the $300 mark and try to push dP out of the arena with better quality and customer service.

Now, I see a lot of comments regarding the Zenith as being just like a Spyder electro, but that completely ignores how the two-spring system of the drive and ZeRO recoil work. Yes, it's sear with springs and not pneumatic, but you're balancing both sides of the valve to a lower pressure requirement and lower kick. It's going to be quieter and smoother than any other stacked tube poppet FASOR (or similar) design in a significant price band around it (that would be the Spyders, the G4, and the etek), and maybe even the smoothest stacked tube poppet on the new market (at the cost of efficiency comparative). EDIT: I'm just not sure that comment can stand against a BL, Alien, Cyborg, etc.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 02:46 PM

The balanced-valve "VS" Spyders worked at an even lower pressure/spring rate than the Zenith, though Kingman eventually dropped the idea in favor of the simplicity of the eKo valve running higher working pressures to deliver better efficiency. In the entry-level game, that was probably the smart way to go.

Anyway, I'd be willing to bet the new Zenith is another glorified E-Spyder just like the first one, albeit with more ambitious milling and coloration.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 07:09 PM

Ah, I've certainly learned something new today - The Spyder VS series flew right by during my absence from paintball. I'm not sure they were discontinued voluntarily, though. The VS1 was released in 2006, and the VS3 was discontinued in 2008 - however, that is the time period where Eric Wang left Kingman and started Azodin. Within a few months of the VS3 being discontinued the Zenith hits the shelves. I'm not sure what the terms were, but it's equally plausible that Eric took the designer talent pool or design with him as that Kingman abandoned it for an alternate valve.

One thing I do notice that makes a big difference from the ZeRO and the VS-series, is that the ZeRO is adjustable. Taking the tension off the cup seal lowers the kick considerably and the volume slightly at the sacrifice of efficiency.

I must say, though, putting them side-to-side like that, your assertion about same style with new milling appears apt. Still, I think the entry-level poppet market gets a bad rap due to Kingman and not necessarily the recoil-less stacked-tube blowback. Particularly when the main complaint was twistlock feedneck which they've apparently replaced with a clamping style.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 07:55 PM


IMO it looks pretty badass.Hopefully it will be one of a few good cheap electros.If you think about it,it might be like a GOG envy vs.extcy thing:just a normal zenith on steroids.

I wish we knew more, but I'm going to venture out on a limb and say I don't think so. Azodin announced they were releasing an electropneumatic and a spool this year. This clearly is not a spool design with the stacked tubes.

Assuming they meant electropneumatic in the most literal and accurate sense, the firing type is going to be more like the PE Ego line - using pressured air to blow the bolt forward before the escape air chamber marries up with the firing of the ball. The Zenith type 1 uses a spring to move the bolt forward instead. It depends on how they price it, but assuming it's near $300 this will be a direct competitor for the other low-priced true electropneumatic in the Dangerous Power G4. If they price it near $450 then it will be a direct competitor to the next closest true electropneumatic which is the Etek. I'm betting they market it around the $300 mark and try to push dP out of the arena with better quality and customer service.

Now, I see a lot of comments regarding the Zenith as being just like a Spyder electro, but that completely ignores how the two-spring system of the drive and ZeRO recoil work. Yes, it's sear with springs and not pneumatic, but you're balancing both sides of the valve to a lower pressure requirement and lower kick. It's going to be quieter and smoother than any other stacked tube poppet FASOR (or similar) design in a significant price band around it (that would be the Spyders, the G4, and the etek), and maybe even the smoothest stacked tube poppet on the new market (at the cost of efficiency comparative). EDIT: I'm just not sure that comment can stand against a BL, Alien, Cyborg, etc.

You have a good point on the price range.And a good point overall.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:36 PM

I cannot wait for this I have the zenith and I plan on owning this also.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 02:26 PM

cant wait to see the specs but it looks pretty sexy

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:00 AM

looks like an f7 f8

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 11:37 AM


I'm a big Mini fan, so if they get these things done, it can compete in the Mini price range:

- Get at least 6-7 pods from a 68/45. Remember, this is probably geared for newer player, it doesn't need 10 or more pods.
- Make maintenance relatively quick and easy. If I spend less than 15 minutes doing regular light maintenance, I'm happy.
- Have different sized-barrel backs available. If they can make .681, .685, and .689 backs available, that'd be a great step. I'm assuming the back is about .693-ish.

Honestly, if the trigger works nicely (or aftermarket triggers are available), this looks great. I'd throw a POPS and a better trigger on there, and if the marker shoots well and gets good efficiency, it looks to be a great marker.


I think the current Zenith does all of these things, but gets a bad rap for not being a Proto Rail / GOG eXTCy. The current stock barrel bore is .689 and then they have a cf barrel that is .691. I would bet maintenance of the bolt and striker are less than 5 minutes of regular maintenance - more if you breakdown the reg or ZeRO system regularly. I look at the Zenith as an alternate budget version of the Etek that provides a poppit alternative to the Rail and eXTCy spools.

The zenith isnt a poppit its a blowback. -_-

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 12:14 PM

The zenith isnt a poppit its a blowback. -_-

that looks pretty ugly.


You do realize that all blowbacks are poppet-valved markers, right?

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 07:42 PM


IMO it looks pretty badass.Hopefully it will be one of a few good cheap electros.If you think about it,it might be like a GOG envy vs.extcy thing:just a normal zenith on steroids.

I wish we knew more, but I'm going to venture out on a limb and say I don't think so. Azodin announced they were releasing an electropneumatic and a spool this year. This clearly is not a spool design with the stacked tubes.

Assuming they meant electropneumatic in the most literal and accurate sense, the firing type is going to be more like the PE Ego line - using pressured air to blow the bolt forward before the escape air chamber marries up with the firing of the ball. The Zenith type 1 uses a spring to move the bolt forward instead. It depends on how they price it, but assuming it's near $300 this will be a direct competitor for the other low-priced true electropneumatic in the Dangerous Power G4. If they price it near $450 then it will be a direct competitor to the next closest true electropneumatic which is the Etek. I'm betting they market it around the $300 mark and try to push dP out of the arena with better quality and customer service.

Now, I see a lot of comments regarding the Zenith as being just like a Spyder electro, but that completely ignores how the two-spring system of the drive and ZeRO recoil work. Yes, it's sear with springs and not pneumatic, but you're balancing both sides of the valve to a lower pressure requirement and lower kick. It's going to be quieter and smoother than any other stacked tube poppet FASOR (or similar) design in a significant price band around it (that would be the Spyders, the G4, and the etek), and maybe even the smoothest stacked tube poppet on the new market (at the cost of efficiency comparative). EDIT: I'm just not sure that comment can stand against a BL, Alien, Cyborg, etc.


that is a good point and your likely right about the pricing. my only issue with your statement is where you say: " It's going to be quieter and smoother than any other stacked tube poppet FASOR (or similar) design in a significant price band around it (that would be the Spyders, the G4, and the etek".
the G4 is a spool valve, not a FASOR type design, your thinking of the Fusion FX which is DP's midrange priced FASOR

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 06:26 AM



IMO it looks pretty badass.Hopefully it will be one of a few good cheap electros.If you think about it,it might be like a GOG envy vs.extcy thing:just a normal zenith on steroids.

I wish we knew more, but I'm going to venture out on a limb and say I don't think so. Azodin announced they were releasing an electropneumatic and a spool this year. This clearly is not a spool design with the stacked tubes.

Assuming they meant electropneumatic in the most literal and accurate sense, the firing type is going to be more like the PE Ego line - using pressured air to blow the bolt forward before the escape air chamber marries up with the firing of the ball. The Zenith type 1 uses a spring to move the bolt forward instead. It depends on how they price it, but assuming it's near $300 this will be a direct competitor for the other low-priced true electropneumatic in the Dangerous Power G4. If they price it near $450 then it will be a direct competitor to the next closest true electropneumatic which is the Etek. I'm betting they market it around the $300 mark and try to push dP out of the arena with better quality and customer service.

Now, I see a lot of comments regarding the Zenith as being just like a Spyder electro, but that completely ignores how the two-spring system of the drive and ZeRO recoil work. Yes, it's sear with springs and not pneumatic, but you're balancing both sides of the valve to a lower pressure requirement and lower kick. It's going to be quieter and smoother than any other stacked tube poppet FASOR (or similar) design in a significant price band around it (that would be the Spyders, the G4, and the etek), and maybe even the smoothest stacked tube poppet on the new market (at the cost of efficiency comparative). EDIT: I'm just not sure that comment can stand against a BL, Alien, Cyborg, etc.


that is a good point and your likely right about the pricing. my only issue with your statement is where you say: " It's going to be quieter and smoother than any other stacked tube poppet FASOR (or similar) design in a significant price band around it (that would be the Spyders, the G4, and the etek".
the G4 is a spool valve, not a FASOR type design, your thinking of the Fusion FX which is DP's midrange priced FASOR

You're exactly right. I often make that mistake by confusing the G4 with the FX. Thanks!
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 03:35 AM

looks nice...

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 12:37 AM

This has to be one of these two things.

FASOR

Or Electro-Pneumatic

If it's gonna be another sear-tripper then I'm out.




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