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Posted 15 July 2012 - 01:54 AM

Hey guys. I know that there a few of you on here that are pretty knowledgeable about knives. I'm looking for a pocket knife, blade length around 3-4", pocket clip, one handed opening and durable. I'll be using it mostly for outdoor stuff like backpacking and fishing etc. So it doesn't need to be able to take down a bear. Light is a bous but isn't needed. I'd love to get a buck but they're a little out of my price range. The max I'd want to spend is $50, unless I really need to spend more. I was looking at this one after seeing some good reviews in backpacker magazine. I know spyderco also makes good pcoekts knives. I'm not too knowledgable about knives though. Just want something that will stay sharp and isn't too expensive. Thanks.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 02:50 AM

Ask sticktodrum he's pretty knowledgable about blades and such. I bought a sword replica from The Last Samuri but sadly I can't help you lmfao

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 02:53 AM

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 04:58 AM

Look at some of Spyderco's knives the Delica would be a good choice or military or yojimbo
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Posted 15 July 2012 - 05:19 AM

If you want a Buck that is a true classic in the knife world look at the Buck 110. A more traditional knife but it is a pure classic among the knife community.

If you want a big blade for slightly ovet $50 check out the Cold Steel Recon 1. i do not like cold steel, but they have their fans.

Others...
Spyderco Endura 4 and Delica. Both are a bit over $50 but they are worth it. Good steel and solid consteuction.

Kershaw Skyline. Walmart normally carries these for around $30.

I could go on forever listing knives around the $50 price point. Go check out bladeforums.com and you will find all kinds of goodies.


One more thing i thought of before i go to sleep. Spyderco has a line of knives using H1 steel. This steel will not rust which is good for outdoor use. A common misconception is that stainless steel means it will not rust. That is completely untrue. Stainless steel avoids stains, not rust. Check out the Spyderco Pacific Salt. Around $65, but they are great.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 05:45 AM

TOPS Knives.... best made in america knives money can buy... i've never seen a TOPS knife fail... if you want a cheap but good blade that will last you along time, get a Cold Steel....
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Posted 15 July 2012 - 07:21 AM

TOPS has really good stuff but if I had to put my money on a knife I'm going with spiderco. Personally I highly recommend you look into a good multi tool. I literally don't leave the house without my leatherman and its really come onto handy.


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Posted 15 July 2012 - 09:04 AM

If you want a Buck that is a true classic in the knife world look at the Buck 110. A more traditional knife but it is a pure classic among the knife community.

If you want a big blade for slightly ovet $50 check out the Cold Steel Recon 1. i do not like cold steel, but they have their fans.

Others...
Spyderco Endura 4 and Delica. Both are a bit over $50 but they are worth it. Good steel and solid consteuction.

Kershaw Skyline. Walmart normally carries these for around $30.

I could go on forever listing knives around the $50 price point. Go check out bladeforums.com and you will find all kinds of goodies.


One more thing i thought of before i go to sleep. Spyderco has a line of knives using H1 steel. This steel will not rust which is good for outdoor use. A common misconception is that stainless steel means it will not rust. That is completely untrue. Stainless steel avoids stains, not rust. Check out the Spyderco Pacific Salt. Around $65, but they are great.


Came in here to recommend the Skyline, and someone did it for me. :P
But in all seriousness, the Spyderco Persistence, or the Kershaw Skyline. Possibly the Leek if you don't mind a small handle/grip.
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Posted 15 July 2012 - 09:40 AM

Deffinatly check out the Cold Steel line, they should fufil your needs

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 10:28 AM

i have never seen a spyderco knife survive a deployment... most of the guys i worked with in afghanistan, including the SF guys, were using gerber auto open/spring assist gerbers (army issue) CRKT folders, or TOPs fixed blades....

my knife collecting right now consists of 3 Dark Ops blades (good knives, but dont suggest them unless you want a knife whoes only real use is combat, either hand to hand or E&E)... a J. Lightning Special Combat RAZR (my favorite fixed blade to date) and my all time favorite edged weapon/tool, TOPs Haket... i have the tactical axe head version because it gives me a couple more cutting edges...

if you want a multi tool, a simple gerber is the way to go... i've got 2 of them that survived afghanistan being beat to shit...
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 12:12 AM

Kershaw Tremor. Big, durable, and the 8CR13MoV is a great steel/steal for 25 bucks. I got one and was skeptical at first, but I intentionally beat my knife to death and its never let me down :) plus the snap of the speedsafe + the size of the blade make people take notice ;)

Edit: and yes its part of kershaws budget/China knives, but quality control and cs is great with these guys

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 12:14 AM

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 01:14 AM

Just take an old kitchen knife with you camping. Like you said not going to be fighting a bear with it.


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Posted 16 July 2012 - 01:49 AM

TOPS Knives.... best made in america knives money can buy... i've never seen a TOPS knife fail... if you want a cheap but good blade that will last you along time, get a Cold Steel....




ESEE > TOPS ;)


ESEE charges too much already for 1095 steel, but in my opinion along with many others, Rowen heat treating in the best in the business on 1095 steel. TOPS charges way too much for 1095. Plus some of the designs TOPS comes out with are just ridiculous.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 02:33 AM

i have never seen a spyderco knife survive a deployment... most of the guys i worked with in afghanistan, including the SF guys, were using gerber auto open/spring assist gerbers (army issue) CRKT folders, or TOPs fixed blades....my knife collecting right now consists of 3 Dark Ops blades (good knives, but dont suggest them unless you want a knife whoes only real use is combat, either hand to hand or E&E)... a J. Lightning Special Combat RAZR (my favorite fixed blade to date) and my all time favorite edged weapon/tool, TOPs Haket... i have the tactical axe head version because it gives me a couple more cutting edges...if you want a multi tool, a simple gerber is the way to go... i've got 2 of them that survived afghanistan being beat to shit...

Forgot to mention, I'm in california so no spring assists.

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I already have a seath knife and leatherman so I'm only looking for a pocket knife.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 03:04 AM

then pick up a buck 110... great little pocket folder
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 03:10 AM

easy choice, either the kershaw skyline or the spyderco tenacious. dont let the whole "tough" or 300 pound lock be the deal breaker because you're never going to be doing anything that extreme. if you ask stick, i guarantee you he is going to say the skyline. cant go wrong with either knives.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 11:12 AM

Boss buck it is amazing if you can find one
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 11:50 AM

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its really depends on the model, they are really hit or serious miss sometimes..

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 01:27 PM

California... Yuck haha. Like said before then, get the Kershaw Skyline, or Kershaw One Ton. I <3 all my kershaw blades

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 03:59 PM

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:51 AM

if you are only looking for a cheap and relatively reliable knife just get a gerber paraframe they are great just don't get a serrated edge but like all things if you go cheap then thats the quality

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 12:29 PM

if you are only looking for a cheap and relatively reliable knife just get a gerber paraframe they are great just don't get a serrated edge but like all things if you go cheap then thats the quality


Ok... im just going to say this.... NOOO
i have one, dear lord is that thing bad for like an EDC role..
i still have it, i use it, but its cant hold its edge for a while.. I had to use a file to get a usable edge from it, and it still doesnt keep that too well. Thi is one of those "miss" gerber knives i was talking about. the ergonomics were annoying on mine, the handles were off by a millimeter or 3, and since the bottoms of the handle scales werent rounded I would gte there red lines from any longer. heavier uses (not too heavy use, just thicker cardboard).. the way the thumb studs are raises sounds like a good thing, until you reahc into your pocket and scrape the back of your hand on them.. And everyone i talked to had similar issues..
Just some food for thought I guess
It sells for like 25... save up an exta 5 dollars and go for a Kershaw Skyline or a Spyderco tenacious,

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 04:03 PM

The only gripe I have about my new Gerber knife is that it had tiny scratches on the blade when I opened the package.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 12:30 PM

Any of the Kershaw knives very reliable

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 06:22 PM

I really like the look of the Kershaw Skyline G10, and StickToDrum seems to really like it.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 07:15 PM

Ya his review was nice I really like the orange one

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 08:24 PM

I LOVE the black/tan one.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 09:36 AM

I love all of them!

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 09:54 PM

If you can get a real khukri knife that thing will do everything you need it to and then some. I met a reg force guy on exercise who traded with a Ghurka for one and it was amazing.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 10:15 PM

If you can get a real khukri knife that thing will do everything you need it to and then some. I met a reg force guy on exercise who traded with a Ghurka for one and it was amazing.


If you want a true khukuri there are several places that import them from Nepal. I like http://www.himalayan-imports.com/ Made from car springs.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 06:38 PM

Sorry I didn't get in on this topic sooner, but I'm glad the Kershaw Skyline was mentioned. Kershaw's budget USA made blades are pretty much fantastic. The Skyline isn't the most durable EDC, but it's a minimalist design and is meant to be slim and light with a very capable blade. You can find them still for about $40-45. The orange ones are still available from Kershawguy.com and on eBay, and that's my favorite utility blade. If you want to go really cheap, then check out the Kershaw imports, they're dirt cheap. If you want a nice small, strong hefty blade, then look at the Kershaw Cryo. Sure, it's 8Cr13Mov, but the way they implement it is fantastic. I've been using it pretty heavily for a couple of weeks, and it's still quite sharp.

Gerber... Can't stand them. Their QC went down the toilet years ago, and they pretty much rely on the their name at this point, and use mystery steel for pretty much everything. I'm not a fan of companies that don't tell the customer what steel is in the blade, especially when the price says it's probably AUS6 or something similar. Bleh. I'd stay completely away from Gerber, especially their multi-tools. They're poorly constructed, and their implements aren't NEARLY as good as Leatherman's.

Spyderco's are pretty fantastic, but if you want a tank of a knife from them, expect to spend some money. The Paramilitary 2 is a staple of slim, light, very durable carry.

I love the Kershaw Cryo though. It's a stout little thing, and feels so solid.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 08:07 PM

Gerber... Can't stand them. Their QC went down the toilet years ago, and they pretty much rely on the their name at this point, and use mystery steel for pretty much everything. I'm not a fan of companies that don't tell the customer what steel is in the blade, especially when the price says it's probably AUS6 or something similar. Bleh. I'd stay completely away from Gerber, especially their multi-tools. They're poorly constructed, and their implements aren't NEARLY as good as Leatherman's.


Could have used this earlier, after a closer inspection of the blade, it is curved, and it is not supposed to be. It will just be used for opening boxes then....

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 08:54 PM

i've owned quite a few gerber multi tools, some issued by the military, some i bought... compared to the couple of leathermans, i'll take a gerber any day... i've broken a couple leatherman waves and a leatherman super tool...

as for gerber knives, yes, they are not the greatest off the shelf knife... about hte only gerber knife i would buy, and have bought, is the LMF2... its such a sturdy knife, and i beat the hell out of it on my Kuwait Deployment... never once had an issue, and its the perfect sized fixed blade...

folders, only folder i have owned that i liked was a dark ops folder, and thats because of the strength of the blade and the heft of the handle...

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 08:58 PM

i've owned quite a few gerber multi tools, some issued by the military, some i bought... compared to the couple of leathermans, i'll take a gerber any day... i've broken a couple leatherman waves and a leatherman super tool...

as for gerber knives, yes, they are not the greatest off the shelf knife... about hte only gerber knife i would buy, and have bought, is the LMF2... its such a sturdy knife, and i beat the hell out of it on my Kuwait Deployment... never once had an issue, and its the perfect sized fixed blade...

folders, only folder i have owned that i liked was a dark ops folder, and thats because of the strength of the blade and the heft of the handle...

but, dont always take my advice on blades, i have expensive tastes


From what I've seen, it feel like the LMF2 isn't a knife made by Gerber.. its actually quite good for the 60 that it costs.. the closest competition is a basic Ka-Bar.. and this has a nicer sheath in some points..

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 09:26 PM

well, thats because the LMF2 as well as select gerber multi tools are made by their military division... which means if they dont meet the military specs, they wont be sold/issues to the people intended to use them
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 09:32 PM

well, thats because the LMF2 as well as select gerber multi tools are made by their military division... which means if they dont meet the military specs, they wont be sold/issues to the people intended to use them


Now I have to see which of all the knives are ment for "military"
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 10:05 AM

Knife I carried on ECP with me in Afghanistan was an Emerson, I'll never buy another folder from anyone but Emerson, they are that good (in my opinion). Solid design, strong blade, simple rugged look to it, and they are all backed by Ernest Emerson's personal warranty. I broke the handle portion (the plasticized cover cracked when I got into a scuffle with a grabby local, and he tried to snatch it off my flak), and I got the entire body portion of the knife replaced, the blade reground and sharpened and the screws replaced in the handle, free of charge.

Granted, it was also a 225 dollar knife, but well worth it in my opinion.

If you are looking cheap, I would look at what OEFVet said, look at Gerbers, both for a blade and a multitool, they are the best bang for the buck knife you can get. Don't get Spyderco's, they all feel really cheaply made.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 05:38 PM

I'd throw a ZT folder, especially the Hinderer designs, up against an Emerson without concern. I love Emersons, don't get me wrong, but talking in the same price range, I'll take a better steel when I can get it for the same money. The warranties are on par with one another, and I have never had a hiccup with ZT's service. I also have expensive tastes, and being a steel snob, it's a bit necessary.

Manny always loved the LMF 2. I concede that it's an amazing piece for the money, and it's not indicative of Gerber's general quality. That being said, I'll have to just disagree on bang-for-buck regarding their multi-tools. All the ones I've used never came close to a LM. Likely just personal nitpicks, and there's no accounting for tastes.

As for Spyderco...having just gotten the Ed Schemp designed Tuff...I can easily say that it's not going to break, and after seeing a video of it chopping through a 2x4 without a hint of lock rock, I had to do more myself. 4 treated 2x4s later, not one wiggle on the lock, and it still shaves.

My requirements and desires for knives are the same as they are for markers, so my view on them is likely very different from that of a lot of other people.
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 02:25 AM

to put it simply.... with 2 gerber military issue multi tools, the simple slide lock pliar head one, with the black parkerized finish... my team was able to get a humvee with a cooked enging back up and running (we did have a seal making kit on hand, but no other usable tools) to get us back to camp phoenix... the tool kit that was supposed to come with the truck was pilfered as the truck was supposed to be deadlined, and no one told us, they just gave us the keys to the steering wheel lock and said have fun....

i personally cant stand folding knifes... sure, they have their place with some people, but i would rather have a full tank 2 1/4 inch long fixed blade... i've always prefered fixed blades... and the Tom Brown Tracker Scout is one of the best small edged tools i've ever used...
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:14 PM

I do like Tom Brown Tracker's, he does some good work. I like Hinderer's fixed blades as well, but I can't carry around a fixed blade on a daily basis in my office sadly. Hence, I carry the Emerson folder.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 10:32 PM

there is no way i would consider grabbing any modern Gerber tool over my Surge, Charge TTi or even the original wave (pre 2004) and ive owned plenty of Gerbers. the mp-400, 600, 800 and even the Diesel. None of them perform as efficiently as a wave family tool. their design is flawed and their current quality control is laughable (uneven grinds, wobbly construction, inconsistent builds across an entire tool line, etc). i will say that there was a time when Gerber made good tools, but that was a long time ago. their last good tool WAS the mp-600 and it still doesn't measure up to the original wave. Now that i think of it, that's probably why they designed the Legend...to compete with the wave...wonder how that turned out for them...? Posted Image

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 10:38 PM

^Correction. You implored me to see reason, leading to my dislike of Gerber.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 10:42 PM

^Correction. You implored me to see reason, leading to my dislike of Gerber.

Pocket knife? ZT 0780. Why? Because only a couple hundred were made and I've got two. :)


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Posted 15 August 2012 - 11:05 AM

i feel like saving up for a ZT 0560/0561 now...

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 11:40 AM

You could look at the Ka-Bar TDI its a LE knife small fixed blade

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 01:28 PM

^Correction. You implored me to see reason, leading to my dislike of Gerber.

Pocket knife? ZT 0780. Why? Because only a couple hundred were made and I've got two. :)


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Posted 15 August 2012 - 05:15 PM

i feel like saving up for a ZT 0560/0561 now...


Save your money for 0560CBCF. Composite blade with a S110V cutting edge and a carbon fiber handle scale... *drool*


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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:04 AM

The problem is, it would probably cost as much as a used inflated price XM-18 (probably like 400-500, from what i heard).. and id just make a case for it and never move it off my desk.. then id just buy a 0561 to use..
but the CF one looks amazing, i wouldnt want to use that at all..just wonderful to stare at.

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