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#1 andrewthewookie

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:55 PM

So I've got a mech Ion which I absolutely love, and a suggestion in the Hoseless Hustlers got me thinking. Because it's a mech, there's nothing in the grip frame, and I've got a WGP Tickler that I'm not using currently (part of my Impulse build that's on the back burner). That by itself probably wouldn't have sparked my full interest, but then I decided to put my 09 Impulse's ASA on the gun, and lo and behold, it uses standard direct mount ASA screws and placement.

So right now I've got the hole drilled and tapped for the Tickler in the frame, and now I'm just waiting for some end mills to come in so I can clean off the bottom of the Ion ASA and make a counterbore for the o-ring that will seal between the frame and ASA, since the frame on the Ion has a chamfered edge all the way around, and won't seal properly as it is. I'll take the banjo fitting off the front of the frame and attach it to the Tickler, but to do that I'll have to mill out some of the frame, so that's another step that I have to wait on the mail for. I tested the Tickler, and it takes my 850ish input just fine and tops out at 210 psi, so it'll be perfect for the Ion.


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Update 8-15-12

Frame milling is done, and leak test has passed.

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Update 8-26-12

New frame milled, and shooting video is done.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:00 PM

First, and it is looking good.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:06 PM

I wanna shoot it!!

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:14 PM

Thats a nice idea, needs more purple though.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:16 PM

Thats a nice idea, needs more purple though.


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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:40 PM

the dragunfly LPRs are smaller, and also hold up better to high pressure tanks. Palmers are for sure, but dragunfly actually did a decent job on the LPRs

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 04:22 PM

So are you saying the Tickler won't work? Cause I'm not buying a new LPR if I don't have to. Besides, I already tested it on my HP tank, and it worked fine.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 04:43 PM

but never count out a Palmers Rock Regulator as well, they might be able to fit properly and you could run one of the Valve Hoses through it as well.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 04:47 PM

Yeah, I was looking at that, but the Tickler already fits fine, and I can already put a banjo on it so I don't have to worry about barbs. Essentially, I have all the parts, I'm just waiting on tools to finish machining the frame.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 04:52 PM

Sweet!!!

I can't wait to see the first "Hoseless Mech Ion" shooting vid!! :D

okay maybe my little gears in my head are moving a little to much, I wonder if you could some how implement a Level 7 bolt system, you need someway to bleed the air, but it would stop any chance of chopping from a Short stroke...

just an idea.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:47 PM

Great Build! Finish her up!

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 08:12 PM

I'm bookmarking this :D
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 11:48 PM

hows the build coming?

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 12:03 AM

I actually just finished milling out the frame, I was gonna assemble and test tomorrow, but I'll see if I can get her up and running (mostly) tonight.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 12:43 AM

nice :tup: take a video of it.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 01:33 AM

OP updated with video of the system aired up and working.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 02:18 AM

I'm so freaking jelly!

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 03:58 AM

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:01 AM

Shooting video? This thing is amazing.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 10:35 PM

So it turns out that the Tickler doesn't like my HP input, and will "reverse creep" when left sitting to about half the PSI it should be at, so I'm changing my tank reg to low pressure to fix that issue. So now I'm just waiting on new shims to get this up and running.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 10:49 PM

are you planning on offering this as a service? ;)

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 06:15 PM

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 06:18 PM

The LPR settles at about 80psi from 210psi when fully turned in, so it shoots at like 170fps right now. I'm waiting on the LP shims for my tank reg to do a shooting vid.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 07:17 PM

OP updated with shooting video.

Once I get grips in I'll take full progress pics.

Edited by andrewthewookie, 26 August 2012 - 08:47 PM.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 08:37 PM

:tup:

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 09:15 PM

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 09:33 PM

I'm so jealous....

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 09:11 PM

Will this work with a Luxe asa as well?

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 09:23 PM

From what I can tell I believe so. The key factor is screw placement, and it appears that they are in typical direct mount placement, same as the Impulse ASA. The air transfer hole is in a different spot, but that shouldn't matter too much.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 09:31 PM

Ok, thanks, I couldn't find a impulse Asa for sale but punishers has one off of a luxe, I mainly wanted to see how much this would cost to do. This is really cool, keep up the good work!

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 07:34 PM

You can use a lot of different ASAs for it, you just need to drill a hole for the air transfer, and counterbore the ASA for an o-ring. There are lists of ASAs somewhere on automags.org that say which ASAs are easiest to convert (common in pneumag conversions).

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 09:25 PM

That's initially what I was going to do, but the only extra direct mount ASAs I had sitting around were CP ASAs, and they've all got a groove running along the top where it would sit against the bottom of the frame. I probably could have gotten it to seal, but I didn't want to deal with it at the time since I had the Impulse ASA right there.

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 01:43 AM

wouldnt it be easier with the axe asa since it doubles as a regulator?
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 01:47 AM

A reg in the ASA would be ideal for something like this, however the Empire Relay isn't just a flat topped ASA. For $85 plus however much ANS wants for shipping, I don't feel like trying to retrofit one for this project with no guarantee of success.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 03:54 AM

should come play with these projects at gladiator paintball sometime :)

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 11:52 AM

I actually work at Gladiator now; I may have to sneak out of the shed for a game or two one of these days... :P

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 09:29 PM

Yea the relay would be so nice but you would need to mill out a hole for the relay and find a macroline fitting or some sort of thread converter. But if the output from the reg is suppose to be 200psi or less then the relay would be great.
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 09:43 PM

The reg itself is setup perfectly, just not the attachment method.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 10:09 PM

I actually work at Gladiator now; I may have to sneak out of the shed for a game or two one of these days... :P

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 12:28 AM

put some grips on it and a sexyier asa and make another video that shit cray
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 03:35 AM

So how do the stickys look on it?
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 12:25 PM

Oh, right. Forgot that I didn't upload those pics. OP is now updated with the completed gun.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 12:41 PM

Very cool. Nice work!

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 02:36 PM

Now all that you need to do is make it purple.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 04:35 PM

That looks amazing

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:56 PM

do you have an access hole on the the back of the frame to tighten the banjo fitting?

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 10:07 PM

I actually don't need one. I can just unscrew the top part of the LPR a bit and the fitting sticks out the side for me to access it, then I just tighten the top back on, and since I don't have to worry about the banjo coming loose or anything like that, it's good to go.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 10:22 PM

the original gar through looked better...that one looks like doo doo

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 10:28 PM

the original gar through looked better...that one looks like doo doo

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