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Posted 25 July 2012 - 04:33 PM

[‎HydroTec Paintball will be doing it's first ever official product release! This will be the first chance ANYONE will be able to shoot HydroTec paintballs. Come to Paintball Explosion on Thursday, 7/26/2012 to be one of the first in the world to shoot this new revolutionary product. It will be $95 case and FREE entry for anyone testing the new HydroTec paintballs at Paintball Explosion starting at 4 pm!



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I'm a little surprised at the price because its more than the field normally charges.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:26 PM

I hope thats just a first event only price, cause I'm not going to pay $50 more for a case.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:36 PM

95 a case is freaking ridiculous
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:42 PM

noooooooooooooooo way am I going to pay that....I'll buy 3 cases of jt paint before I pay $95 for one

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:47 PM

Finally!!!!

I'll pay good money for a case. If it lasts as long as they say I won't have to worry about trying to shoot it all before it gets bad.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:51 PM

Finally!!!!

I'll pay good money for a case. If it lasts as long as they say I won't have to worry about trying to shoot it all before it gets bad.

This, I would probably pump with it.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:54 PM

If it is as good as it looks like it is going to be, I'm down for $95 a case.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:55 PM

And people are going to be freaking out about the price, but it's like admission and a good case of paint. Hopefully this won't be the final price though...

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:57 PM

Before shitting on the price we should see what its like, paintballs themselves are one of the things holding the game back.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:59 PM

I read that these paintballs are not affected by water, or temperature, and they are very well made.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:00 PM

Well if you look at that fields website there regular price for a case of DXS was 85. They didn't say what kind. My field does redemption for 65. Can't shit on the price based on what one field is charging.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:08 PM

I don't hear people shitting on CPX's 90$ a case rates? And that's for regular paintballs. If these last longer, are more consistent, and are just generally better made, I would say the extra 5$ is worth it.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:40 PM

I hope someone gets video of this. I've been waiting a long time for this stuff to come out.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:42 PM

I don't hear people shitting on CPX's 90$ a case rates?


Because that's a given.

Honestly I'm willing to pay $95 if this stuff is as good as it's supposed to be. Which I hope it will be.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:44 PM

I love how Facebook mobile hides things like this from me. It must be a conspiracy with my wife. Their normal paint for open play is a custom DXS silver I believe. I don't know what they use for speedball.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:57 PM

I don't hear people shitting on CPX's 90$ a case rates? And that's for regular paintballs. If these last longer, are more consistent, and are just generally better made, I would say the extra 5$ is worth it.

That's because CPX and Paintball Explosion are Chicagoland paintball fields, and like everything in the Chicago area the prices are ridiculously high

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 12:56 AM

Yes the price is pretty crazy, But i am someone that is following them on Facebook and on their website.
One of the main reasons why the paint is $95 a case if because the shell is corn based (not gelatin)
and is waterproof, therefore i am assuming that the manufacturing process is different. One of the reasons that
it has been taking them so long to finally make them available to the public is because they have not figured out
a way to mass manufacture the new paintballs cost efectively and that is why they were supposed
to be released like 2 years ago.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 12:58 AM

Yes the price is pretty crazy, But i am someone that is following them on Facebook and on their website.
One of the main reasons why the paint is $95 a case if because the shell is corn based (not gelatin)
and is waterproof, therefore i am assuming that the manufacturing process is different. One of the reasons that
it has been taking them so long to finally make them available to the public is because they have not figured out
a way to mass manufacture the new paintballs cost efectively and that is why they were supposed
to be released like 2 years ago.

Wasn't it because they had a problem with their machine and had to redo them from scratch?

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 01:05 AM


Yes the price is pretty crazy, But i am someone that is following them on Facebook and on their website.
One of the main reasons why the paint is $95 a case if because the shell is corn based (not gelatin)
and is waterproof, therefore i am assuming that the manufacturing process is different. One of the reasons that
it has been taking them so long to finally make them available to the public is because they have not figured out
a way to mass manufacture the new paintballs cost efectively and that is why they were supposed
to be released like 2 years ago.

Wasn't it because they had a problem with their machine and had to redo them from scratch?


I did not know of that, thanks for telling me, and yeah i think that did not help them much, also the place where it will be at supposedly charges $85 per case, so it is probably the field setting the price so high aswell.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 01:12 AM

Oh yeah I have no problem with the paint price there because it's in the average range and it basically comes with admission.


And dont quote me, but I think they had a problem with the machines and that's why it's been taking so long, not sure though.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 02:02 AM

40$ evil all the way!

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 02:14 AM

I had pretty much given up on this product ever being released. Figured I would only get to shoot Hydrotec balls through my NXE JRNY on my poppet valve Dye gun with my rifled barrel that actually works while wearing my Planet Eclipse bracelet after driving to the field in my Delorean time machine to play paintball against Klingons.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 02:25 AM

Well I hate to break it to ya man, but this is quite a good start on it being released. :tup:

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:17 AM

You guys have to realize that the reason it's $95 a case, is because field entry is included, and it's brand new stuff. This is most likely the trial run, to make sure it works as intended, people are happy with it, and they're going to be able to make money on it. I'm sure the price will go down once they figure out a way to mass produce on a national scale, rather than a local scale. If Kee was one guy producing paint out of his garage, so to speak, I'm sure it'd be fairly expensive paint too. ;) So quit ripping on the price when you know nothing about the reasons behind it.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 07:51 AM

Oh yeah I have no problem with the paint price there because it's in the average range and it basically comes with admission.


And dont quote me, but I think they had a problem with the machines and that's why it's been taking so long, not sure though.


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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:30 AM

...... time to send some emails ...
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 09:52 AM

Yes. Finally.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 09:55 AM

From what I've seen on the HydroTech facebook page, the reason for the delays was finding a machine that could acurately and correctly put the two seams together for each half the ball. That was the major problem from what I recall.

$95 a case isn't bad for a paint that can do everything they are stating.

BUT

What people aren't thinking about, and what I've tried to emphasize on facebook to them is that what they are doing is makeing people PAY THEM to participate in market research. If you've got an experimental product you don't charge people to use it. Thats what clinical studies/market research/focus groups are all about. People that are willing to take a risk and getting rewarded for that. I participate in market research all the time, just monday I was in a focus group for a wine brand that costs $6, they paid me $100 to do the test. If I'm going to be your guinee pig, you need to compensate me somehow.

In my opinion the business savy way to do this would be to charge $65 per case w/free addmission. That way Hydrotech and PBE make a profit and the testers get free entry and discounted paint at the risk of the paint being terrible. Hydrotech gets the benefit of making money off market research as well as learning about the short comings or over deliveries and can adjust their actual market price, marketing direction, and any product flaws accordingly. IF it becomes tried and true, then yes charge $95 and I'll happily pay that, but coming into the Chicagoland market (already high prices) with the new highest price feild paint that hasn't even been tested yet, is just ludicrous to me. Now if I see this paint on the market for $60 after they made their testers pay $95 the first thing going through my mind as a consumer is, "wow, what was wrong with it?" What was so bad that they cut the price by a third. You want exclusivity and reason to justify a $95 case of paint you need to earn it.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 12:01 PM

^^ if your way worked then Game Releases would be cheaper on the first day. All those Shitty X-box games I purchased for 70$ on the first week.

But sadly this is more like a world premier of the new shit. you want to use the latest and potentially greatest? You gotta pay for it.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 12:10 PM

Exactly, they are doing market research with a limited release. When you bought those games you paid the standard $50ish and $20 for the reservation/guarantee that they will have it. Those games were tested by people, whether it be people in the company itself or people attending demos at E3 or whatever promo game companies put out.

This is basically a soft opening for their paint. If it was a full blown world premier like with those video games, they would be accessible for every feild that is going to be carrying them.



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Posted 26 July 2012 - 12:28 PM

1. It's a Soft opening that is based mostly on Market research
2. The entry fee is free if you purchase the paint
3. It's fucking Chicago area.
4. This is the first public release.
5. They need to make a little money back due to the extended deadlines due to bad machinery.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 12:39 PM

Edit: Punkworks is going to get has been involved? Fucking sweet.


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Posted 26 July 2012 - 12:42 PM

95 isnt even that bad its like 140 for a case of empire custom blend at my field

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 12:52 PM

seems silly to speculate on the price with a pre-launch party event price ...
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 12:54 PM

I am Exited to see what they can bring to the table. Waterproof Corn based shell that does not swell and is rounder? Sounds almost too good to be true.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 01:03 PM

seems silly to speculate on the price with a pre-launch party event price ...


thats like telling everyone what the results of the barrel test would be before the Data arrived!

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 01:09 PM

another reason for the price is probably because of the corn itself.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 01:53 PM


Edit: Punkworks is going to get has been involved? Fucking sweet.


fixed it for you.


I know you guys have been involved, but this is an official release. You can actually start testing and releasing results.


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Posted 26 July 2012 - 02:31 PM

seems silly to speculate on the price with a pre-launch party event price ...


My point exactly, especially since this price includes the field fee, which means PBX is getting a cut of the profits. And when two companies are getting a cut of the profits, they increase the price so both companies get more money. Glad to see TechPB has at least two people who can actually think first, instead of just immediately bashing companies for their prices without thinking about why the price is what it is.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:00 PM

I'll test it out when they find a way to make it around $50.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:36 PM


I don't hear people shitting on CPX's 90$ a case rates? And that's for regular paintballs. If these last longer, are more consistent, and are just generally better made, I would say the extra 5$ is worth it.

That's because CPX and Paintball Explosion are Chicagoland paintball fields, and like everything in the Chicago area the prices are ridiculously high


But that's my point. People are complaining about how expensive these paintballs are, but yet no one bats an eye when they go and play at CPX and drop well over 100$ on the day.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 04:58 PM


seems silly to speculate on the price with a pre-launch party event price ...


My point exactly, especially since this price includes the field fee, which means PBX is getting a cut of the profits. And when two companies are getting a cut of the profits, they increase the price so both companies get more money. Glad to see TechPB has at least two people who can actually think first, instead of just immediately bashing companies for their prices without thinking about why the price is what it is.


I kinda think your point of people bashing the price blindly is backwards, people who are defending the price are doing so without thinking more into the factors of how successful business conduct research. Its not just an "OK it works in our facility, lets release it to the public" kind of attitude. You need to prove your claims of being the best before you can come out and say I'm the best pay me what I deserve as the best paintball manufacturer out there.

I'm not blindly bashing a company for their price. I'm questioning the logic of a paintball coming into a notoriously high priced market with a test batch that costs more than any other feild paint in the area. I've been following hydrotec's facebook page almost since it was created. I know the problems they've had and I understand the madness behind the design. What I'm saying is that if they want nonbiased people to give them an acurate report on their paint and how it performs than they should bring it to a feild and let people sample it or charge them a minor fee to use. I agree that it is admirable that they let the paintball community try the paint instead of just giving it to a local team and say, here you go let us know how it shoots. But to ask us to pay to be their tester, not just pay, but pay more than any other paintball in the local market, is a bit odd. Forget the feild fee, places offer free feild fees to people buying cases pretty regularly around here. PBX and Hydrotec stand to get a lot more profit by puting out a few cases very cheaply and build the hype even more so they can charge more later.

If this was a soft release party or if this was a public release event than at least one of the facebook pages where the event was posted would have said so, instead of inviting people to come out and help them test the product, which both did.

Anyway, its after 4 now, so lets hope we get to hear some results soon.



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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:05 PM

If it was $25 a bag I would buy one and try It out with my pump but no way could I make it through a case haha

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:32 PM

I kinda think your point of people bashing the price blindly is backwards, people who are defending the price are doing so without thinking more into the factors of how successful business conduct research. Its not just an "OK it works in our facility, lets release it to the public" kind of attitude. You need to prove your claims of being the best before you can come out and say I'm the best pay me what I deserve as the best paintball manufacturer out there.

I'm not blindly bashing a company for their price. I'm questioning the logic of a paintball coming into a notoriously high priced market with a test batch that costs more than any other feild paint in the area. I've been following hydrotec's facebook page almost since it was created. I know the problems they've had and I understand the madness behind the design. What I'm saying is that if they want nonbiased people to give them an acurate report on their paint and how it performs than they should bring it to a feild and let people sample it or charge them a minor fee to use. I agree that it is admirable that they let the paintball community try the paint instead of just giving it to a local team and say, here you go let us know how it shoots. But to ask us to pay to be their tester, not just pay, but pay more than any other paintball in the local market, is a bit odd. Forget the feild fee, places offer free feild fees to people buying cases pretty regularly around here. PBX and Hydrotec stand to get a lot more profit by puting out a few cases very cheaply and build the hype even more so they can charge more later.

If this was a soft release party or if this was a public release event than at least one of the facebook pages where the event was posted would have said so, instead of inviting people to come out and help them test the product, which both did.

Anyway, its after 4 now, so lets hope we get to hear some results soon.


No, my point is not backwards. This is paintball, not some multi-million dollar corporation. Paintball companies don't have the kind of money you're talking about throwing around, especially one as new as Hydrotec. They need to start making profit as soon as possible so that they can stay afloat. If they give out free samples, or sell cases for below cost, they're losing money and risk the company folding due to a lack of funds.

The companies you're talking about, who pay you money to test their products, are multi-million, or multi-billon dollar corporations who have enough money to throw around that they can spend a few grand to pay people to test their products. Paintball companies, especially brand new ones, simply can't afford to do that. You're trying to tell them they're bad for not doing things that they simply can't afford to do. If they could afford to do it, then they would.

As to them being the most expensive, they're not. That's $95 for a case of paint and entry, PBX charges $103 for a case of paint and entry, and CPX charges $108 for a case of paint and entry. So doing this is $8 cheaper than a regular day at PBX, $13 cheaper than a regular day of play at CPX, and you get to test out a brand new product that not many people have tested out before.

Also, I find it laughable that you talk about an unbiased opinion in paintball. If you haven't noticed this, then you really need to look around TechPB, PBN, and any paintball forum for that matter. Nobody is unbiased in paintball. The only way to get an unbiased opinion about paintball, is to find people who have never heard of paintball before. Paintball players are way too biased about everything to ever have an unbiased opinion about anything paintball. And the majority of the general public who have heard about paintball are too negatively biased towards paintball to want to give an unbiased comparison between Hydrotec's paint and regular gelatin shelled paintballs.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:57 PM


I kinda think your point of people bashing the price blindly is backwards, people who are defending the price are doing so without thinking more into the factors of how successful business conduct research. Its not just an "OK it works in our facility, lets release it to the public" kind of attitude. You need to prove your claims of being the best before you can come out and say I'm the best pay me what I deserve as the best paintball manufacturer out there.

I'm not blindly bashing a company for their price. I'm questioning the logic of a paintball coming into a notoriously high priced market with a test batch that costs more than any other feild paint in the area. I've been following hydrotec's facebook page almost since it was created. I know the problems they've had and I understand the madness behind the design. What I'm saying is that if they want nonbiased people to give them an acurate report on their paint and how it performs than they should bring it to a feild and let people sample it or charge them a minor fee to use. I agree that it is admirable that they let the paintball community try the paint instead of just giving it to a local team and say, here you go let us know how it shoots. But to ask us to pay to be their tester, not just pay, but pay more than any other paintball in the local market, is a bit odd. Forget the feild fee, places offer free feild fees to people buying cases pretty regularly around here. PBX and Hydrotec stand to get a lot more profit by puting out a few cases very cheaply and build the hype even more so they can charge more later.

If this was a soft release party or if this was a public release event than at least one of the facebook pages where the event was posted would have said so, instead of inviting people to come out and help them test the product, which both did.

Anyway, its after 4 now, so lets hope we get to hear some results soon.


No, my point is not backwards. This is paintball, not some multi-million dollar corporation. Paintball companies don't have the kind of money you're talking about throwing around, especially one as new as Hydrotec. They need to start making profit as soon as possible so that they can stay afloat. If they give out free samples, or sell cases for below cost, they're losing money and risk the company folding due to a lack of funds.

The companies you're talking about, who pay you money to test their products, are multi-million, or multi-billon dollar corporations who have enough money to throw around that they can spend a few grand to pay people to test their products. Paintball companies, especially brand new ones, simply can't afford to do that. You're trying to tell them they're bad for not doing things that they simply can't afford to do. If they could afford to do it, then they would.

As to them being the most expensive, they're not. That's $95 for a case of paint and entry, PBX charges $103 for a case of paint and entry, and CPX charges $108 for a case of paint and entry. So doing this is $8 cheaper than a regular day at PBX, $13 cheaper than a regular day of play at CPX, and you get to test out a brand new product that not many people have tested out before.

Also, I find it laughable that you talk about an unbiased opinion in paintball. If you haven't noticed this, then you really need to look around TechPB, PBN, and any paintball forum for that matter. Nobody is unbiased in paintball. The only way to get an unbiased opinion about paintball, is to find people who have never heard of paintball before. Paintball players are way too biased about everything to ever have an unbiased opinion about anything paintball. And the majority of the general public who have heard about paintball are too negatively biased towards paintball to want to give an unbiased comparison between Hydrotec's paint and regular gelatin shelled paintballs.


If Hydrotec is going to go out of business because they are short by $10,000 and plan to make that up by selling 100 cases (that to me means a limited amount) than its almost already a lost cause. If they are that close to sinking than they would never be able to pull off a full deployment of the product. Even if the paint costs $25 to make 1 case, than 100 cases is only $2500. If you're a company hoping to launch and you can't afford that than you have much bigger problems to worry about than people questioning your methods on the internet.

Majority of the companies that have paid me for testing were either small brands, or grad students working off their grants. Sure some where the big multi billion dollar conglomorates, but from what I've seen by the branding, not all of them are.

Ok sure, its $8 cheaper than PBE on any given day, and its $13 cheaper then CPX on any given day. But on those few days where the promotion is free entry with a case of paint they are $10 and $5 more respectively. If you're going to compare this to a normal day anywhere else than you need to compare it as a normal day. Which would be $95 plus the feild fee making it $113. Thats apples to apples comparison. Hell if you want to be thorough you could compare it to Badlandz also, how does $85 sound for premium and paid entry. Promotional days there are $60 for a case of premium and entry. But we're talking high end feilds here so an apples to apples comparison is clearly what we're after.

Unbiased opinions are easy to do in paintball. Go to feild, tell the players that they can try an experimental paintball and report back to you on how it works. Don't tell them the brand. Have them pay the same price as what they would have been paying for the current feild paint. Done. Sure, people will say, no I like this brand and I want to use this one specifically. Those people are the biased ones that get weeded out, through not wanting to participate. The ones that say yes, clearly have an open mind and will give you honest results.

I hope Hydrotec nails it, I really hope they do. If $95 is the final price on this, than I will still buy the shit out of it, but not untill its proven. I just don't want them to go down in flames because someone made a bad marketing call.



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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:32 PM

This reminds me when the Vapor came out.
Brand new company, planning to compete with high end paint/marker
Expensive but comes with "features" (HydroTec has entry, Vapor has hopper, barrel kit, and trigger)
People complaining about price, but haven't tried the product.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 07:37 PM

it's a brand new run, and i don't blame them for having such a high price at the start

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 07:46 PM

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:01 PM

I love how people bitch about 95$... That's a competitive price for most fields if you live in Canada. Posted Image


haha i'm glad i don't live in canada (paintball wise)

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:42 PM

maybe that's just the release price :/




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