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#1 Nicholai

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Posted 02 October 2008 - 06:01 AM

Hello all, thought I would share my project gun that I have been working on for a while now. First I'll start by citing some source. This is the original post that I found out about this mod:

http://www.automags....ad.php?t=211255

Basically the automag has a sear that needs to be mechanically pushed. In order to do this the idea was to take a small ram and a small solenoid and a low pressure source and go. The original E mag used a big ass solenoid to actually trip the sear which is why you see those huge ass batteries on them (the fore grip thing). This setup uses hardly any battery power as all it has to do is move the little solenoid that lets air into the ram to do all the work. Plus you get the wonderful feel of an ego frame and great LCD as well.

What was needed:

Ram
Solenoid
Ego Frame + Board
LPR
cocker 3-way hose, barbs and set screws
stainless steel end for the ram for long life

The RAM & Noid and little misc stuff can all be purchased from:

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The challenges:

-Fitting the ram inside the frame
-getting low pressure inside the frame to the noid
-getting the frame to fit the mag

The process:

I started with a mpa-3 as a ram:
http://www.airsoldie...;Category_Code=

You basically need to shave this thing down as small as possible to fin in the frame. I used a dremel at first, then a flat file to get a decently smooth flat edge on both sides.

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Then you need to notch the ram for sear travel:

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Then I grinded as much off on the frame itself till the ram fit snug into the frame:

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After this I made the frame fit on the mag itself. None of the holes line up so I had to drill a hole in the trigger guard (easy one) and then one on the back (harder one). The one on the back is hard to get too because the drill bumps into the lower part of the frame. I cut the end of the hole pretty big so my screw would counter sink a bit and not catch on my hand. One of the unique things that I did was dremel down the front of the frame so it would fit flush with the vertical adapter. I was really happy the way it came out.

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Posted 02 October 2008 - 06:01 AM

Next I needed a way to get Low pressure into the grip for the noid. I've seen them done out the front and it looks pretty nice but I was that confident in my drilling & tapping skills so I went the easy route and just got an on/off asa that had holes on both sides to put the LRP into. I needed to drill a hole in the bottom to feed the hose through:

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Heres some shots of the frame mounted:

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This is a good shot to see how flush the frame lines up with he vertical adapter

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Next I just soldered on the end to the noid so it plugged into he ego board:

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And then I hooked the lpr to the noid and the other end of the noid to the ram and here it is all put together:

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Posted 02 October 2008 - 06:01 AM

And here's some finished product pics:

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And here is some You Tube vids of me shooting it.



This one is a bit better, it held 15bps just fine.



Let me know what you guys think. If you want more detailed info just post up.

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Posted 02 October 2008 - 06:02 AM

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Posted 02 October 2008 - 06:03 AM

that, looks, sexy!
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Posted 02 October 2008 - 06:37 AM

wow thats truly awesome

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Posted 02 October 2008 - 02:29 PM

thats sick bro.!
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Posted 10 October 2008 - 10:40 PM

Nice job. What surprises me is your needing to notch the actuator for the sear. Mine just dropped straight in, no problem.
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Posted 11 October 2008 - 06:29 AM

I love it.

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Posted 11 October 2008 - 06:34 AM

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Posted 11 October 2008 - 11:28 AM

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Posted 11 October 2008 - 02:49 PM

This also can be done with a SLG grip frame as well

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Posted 11 October 2008 - 10:10 PM

This also can be done with a SLG grip frame as well

slag mag

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It can be done with pretty much any e-pneu gun's frame. But I thought SLG's were sear trippers? Do they use a solenoid valve?

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 06:03 AM

Nice job. What surprises me is your needing to notch the actuator for the sear. Mine just dropped straight in, no problem.


Hey thanks everyone for the replies!

I notched the actuator so I can get the sear pretty close. I honestly didn't try it without being notched first, I just watched a vid and read numerous places that you should notch it. LOL It seems like a good idea at the time.
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Posted 22 October 2008 - 07:09 AM

That's sick bro. Great job.

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 07:03 PM

holy mother fucking crap... sweet... How does it perform? any downfalls?

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 08:35 PM

will an ego 07 frame work
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Posted 30 November 2008 - 10:14 PM

That's........so.......SEXY!!! It looks so nice. Like a gift from the gods :rolleyes:

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 10:28 PM

holy mother fucking crap... sweet... How does it perform? any downfalls?



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Posted 03 December 2008 - 06:48 PM

i totally want to do something like this BUT i dont have the smarts to do it. I want a project gun and this would be a good idea but having to find seperate ego frames and what not would be hard.
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 12:54 PM

how much did this cost you
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 03:16 PM

holy mother fucking crap... sweet... How does it perform? any downfalls?


It performs great! After getting ird of my crappy pulse loader I found it never breaks paint anymore (which is nice!) and I just love the way a mag shoots in general! It kind of sucks losing my quick valve remove screw since I would have to mill the frame to get that thing to fit on there and have no access to a mill to do that. The LPR is a little annoying and when I lend it out to people they all want to turn it because they think it's the on/off!! GRRR


will an ego 07 frame work


I did see a post with an 07 egomag, but damn they needed to cut the shit out of it. IMO it looked like crap, I would go for the etek star frame first.


how much did this cost you


Well you need an rt valve, and a ULT (ulta light trigger on/off assembly). After that you just need the rest of the mag, rail, body, vertical asa, gas through, then an on/off that purges and has holes on both sides so I can put a macro line on one side & the lpr on the other.

After that you need the fallowing:
-tickler LPR ~30$
-cocker hose ~3$
-ego frame ~40$
-ego board ~20$
-small solinoid ~$50
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Posted 03 January 2009 - 02:34 AM

already Pm'd you what i think of it.



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Posted 04 January 2009 - 09:44 PM

is that the E-mag rail in between the body and the frame? what is the grip thing wiht the macrolines attatchet? and what is the carbonfiber looking one without the macrolines? altogether i get the general idea, but i don't understand it enough to do it myself yet.

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Posted 04 January 2009 - 09:57 PM

is that the E-mag rail in between the body and the frame? what is the grip thing wiht the macrolines attatchet? and what is the carbonfiber looking one without the macrolines? altogether i get the general idea, but i don't understand it enough to do it myself yet.


The mag doesn't need a reg since it's already integrated into the valve itself. The carbon fiber grip is just there for something to hold onto, its not needed. The piece in between the body and the grip frame is called the rail. An "E-mag" rail is basically an RT rail, but says "e-mag" on it. There are tons of rails made for the mag, but they are all basically the same thing, just something to hold it all together the ULE body has a round key on the bottom and the old school stainless steel bodies have an oval shaped key, so the rt/emag style rails will fit circle shaped key hole and vis versa. Any rail can be modified to work with any body though (95% sure). On some of my pics you see a the macroline piped through the foregrip, this is just to clean up the macroline so it looks nicer, the deadlywind carbon fiber forgrip is lighter but doesn't support gas through, so there is no macroline on it.

Does that clear some things up?
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Posted 06 January 2009 - 07:05 PM

how does it compare to other guns you've owned? it shoots well in the video, but does it shoot as well as some of the modern high end guns you've fired?

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Posted 06 January 2009 - 07:17 PM

how does it compare to other guns you've owned? it shoots well in the video, but does it shoot as well as some of the modern high end guns you've fired?


Shoots as good as anything out there IMO. It just doesn't have any eyes so make sure you have a good hopper to keep up!
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Posted 07 January 2009 - 12:36 AM

Is tuning the lvl 10 difficult? does it reduce chopping efficiantly? would a warp be to slow?

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 07:08 AM

Is tuning the lvl 10 difficult? does it reduce chopping efficiantly? would a warp be to slow?



I thought tuning the level 10 has been a pain. When it's working right It works great! I think a warp should be able to do 15bps or so it should keep up no problem. One way to find out!
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Posted 03 May 2009 - 04:14 PM

What are all the types of automags you can do this on.
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Posted 03 May 2009 - 06:02 PM

You can do it to either. Just know the classic valve isn't as fast as a RT or x-valve.

For the barrel problem on the classic I would suggest pouring oil down the body around the barrel to try and soak the large o-rings that are on the barrel. Then you should just have to do a quarter twist counter clockwise and pull. Sometimes if someone has twisted the wrong way it can click into the nubbin groove, then the only way to get it out is brute force kind of.

The micromag should just be cocker threaded so untwist like normal.

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 06:58 PM

yea thanks. the micro is fine but same way to emag it
and what type of grip is that and how does it go on

I have a few more questions. Where can I find these.
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-cocker hose ~3$
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Posted 03 May 2009 - 09:00 PM

yea thanks. the micro is fine but same way to emag it
and what type of grip is that and how does it go on

I have a few more questions. Where can I find these.
-stainless steel thing for ram ~$5
-cocker hose ~3$
-Misc Barbs ~$20



There is a guy on automags.org who machines the stainless thing, I honesty can't remeber who I got it from, I'll try to update it later when I have time. Cocker hose you can get anywhere, but if you need the barbs anyway I would recommend palmers website:

http://www.palmer-pursuit.com

Cocker hose uses the 10-32 type barbs here is the catagory:
http://www.palmer-pu...p...ex&cPath=11

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As for the frame I used an 05 ego frame, hence the name egomag. I had to drill both holes in the frame that lined up with the mag grip frame holes.
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Posted 03 May 2009 - 09:50 PM

ok thanks. I still cant seem to get that barrel out ive dowsed it in lube but it wont budge. It just turns about a centimeter and stops there is a metal thing sticking out in the breach thought.

does the ram have and wires or what does it exactly do. I really want to get educated on this before i spend the money
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Posted 03 May 2009 - 09:50 PM

ok thanks. I still cant seem to get that barrel out ive dowsed it in lube but it wont budge. It just turns about a centimeter and stops there is a metal thing sticking out in the breach thought.

does the ram have and wires or what does it exactly do. I really want to get educated on this before i spend the money
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Posted 03 May 2009 - 09:57 PM

ok thanks. I still cant seem to get that barrel out ive dowsed it in lube but it wont budge. It just turns about a centimeter and stops there is a metal thing sticking out in the breach thought.

does the ram have and wires or what does it exactly do. I really want to get educated on this before i spend the money


Hmmmm, sounds like it went into the wire nubbin groove and that's probably your wire nubbin sticking out in the breach. Basically the barrel has a groove that a spring loaded button pushes into. If you take off your frame you can take off your rail completely and that should get rid of the button putting any pressure on the barrel (should of said that first). So just unscrew the one screw that is in the trigger guard and the field strip screw on the back of the guard and the whole thing comes apart.

The mag works with a teeter totter motion of the sear. Usually you just push the sear with your trigger pin, but with this mod you take the pin out and use a pnumatic ram to smack the sear instead. So the ram only has an small cocker hose going to it that applys air pressure to physical motion that smacks the sear. The little noid is what gives the air power to the ram. Once the trigger is pulled it will activate then release, then the ram returns with a little spring inside of it and the gun resets. The little noid inside the rame is the only wire you should have, everything else is powered with air.

Let me know if that clears things up a bit.
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Posted 04 May 2009 - 06:02 PM

AHHHHH another problem the other screw holding the grip frame on was striped. So I am getting one of my dads friend to drill and tap it out. after that I will try work on the barrel problem
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Posted 09 June 2009 - 02:59 PM

ok i know its been awhile I now have the gun taken apart so I am going to start getting the parts within the next few months
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Posted 30 April 2010 - 06:25 PM

O wow, nice.

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Posted 30 May 2010 - 04:48 PM

Whered you get the Ego Frame?

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Posted 30 May 2010 - 07:35 PM

Whered you get the Ego Frame?



I actually got a silver one for my black ego 5, then I just used my old black one for project. You can find them on ebay etc.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 03:21 PM

Just the frame? Im not really looking to buy a whole ego 05 or etek.

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 07:32 PM

Yup I bought just the frame on ebay.
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 05:04 PM

Alright, Ill have to look into it.

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 10:08 PM

Wow! I am intrigued now!

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