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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:21 PM

These are the new internals for the 2013 Vanguard Demon, running on an operating pressure of only 90psi shooting @ 300fps, compared to 125psi before which even then was VERY smooth. Also, no more QEV which caused some issues in the old guns and to top it off the bolt is now sprung as well resulting in a MASSIVE reduction in FSDO and bolt stick, the gun will also be far less picky on lube. Two guns were made initially with these internals to ensure they worked and could see further testing. Both performed extremely well with over 60,000 shots being put through them at the CXBL and NPPL as well as over 100,000 shots in the factory. Citrus has received numerous testers and we've been told to abuse them as much as we possibly can. Run them with little lube, do no maintenance and see when issues begin to arise. The one of the first 2 testers was put through both CXBL E3 and the latest NPPL shooting over 30,000 shots and was lubed once.

As for the old Demons, if you send yours in this upgrade runs for $200 USD plus shipping, this is not a drop in upgrade the gun's body needs 2 additional air passages drilled in due to the removal of the QEV from the manifold. The retail of the Demon for 2013 will be going up to $1250 I believe so you'd be spending the money anyway to get your hands on this engine.

Citrus should have several of these new engines this weekend depending on a Fedex delivery tomorrow so if anyone reading this will be at the Wasaga big game and see's a fleet of orange and white Demons feel free to ask if you can try one out.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:22 PM

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:26 PM

Nice to see you too lol, been busy as FUCK lately, in the last 6 weeks of my trades course, getting paperwork done to prepare our move to the next posting, running the team, then of course the whole daughter/wife thing =)

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:34 PM

If i keep my demon. I'll probably upgrade to this.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:39 PM

Happy Anniversary!

Also, cool. Might have to look into this when I buy a high-end later this year.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:05 AM

So the only change to the Demon is the new engine? You can just get a Demon for $550-$600 and the $200 engine and save a lot of money..

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 05:45 AM

New Demons will also be coming with the leather cases from now on, a lot of people were le sad when they switched to a box lol

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 03:58 PM

Sounds cool but why would they not work on anything else if your releasing a new demon. Not that I have used one but I heard a lot of people gripe about how bad the stock trigger is. Furthermore, a lot of people thought the front reg was ugly as sin. Again these are just comments from postings but it just seems to me if your gonna address some issues do it up right!!!
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 05:18 PM

^^ Bits at a time good sir, within 2 months Frank Connell has purchased vanguard, moved it to the US. and created a new bolt an a new drive train.

Thats ALOT to do in 2 months.

Also the trigger is not bad at all, remove the trigger spring and move the magnet away by a few turns.


and I personally like the reg. it fits in my hand and operates like 99% of the other HPR's in the world.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 02:20 AM

Just out of curiosity will the new demon have new milling along with the new and improved internals or is it still not decided ?

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 02:24 AM

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:08 AM

Just out of curiosity will the new demon have new milling along with the new and improved internals or is it still not decided ?


not sure.

if they keep the same sexy milling I would enjoy that very much,
If they milled the body like the "Karta" bodies, I would also bust a nut.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:24 AM

i love guns that are not designed to work right out of the box.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 11:29 AM


Just out of curiosity will the new demon have new milling along with the new and improved internals or is it still not decided ?


not sure.

if they keep the same sexy milling I would enjoy that very much,
If they milled the body like the "Karta" bodies, I would also bust a nut.


It's always easier buying used when there's different milling between versions unlike many markers on the market today

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 01:04 PM

i demand more color choices...

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 01:09 PM

i demand more color choices...


i demand a gun that was designed to work right from the beginning
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 01:11 PM

i demand a gun that was designed to work right from the beginning

Like the G3?

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 01:12 PM


i demand a gun that was designed to work right from the beginning

Like the G3?


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Posted 27 August 2012 - 08:20 PM

I demand a gun that was designed to work right from the beginning


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 02:04 AM

retardedly stupid efficient... i want one, but i really can't justify picking the one up from my shop and then paying another $200 for the new engine... :( geo 3 or luxe sounds a bit better at that price but i probably will just sit on my hands and not do anything.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 02:24 AM

these are so nice :)

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 09:57 AM

retardedly stupid efficient... i want one, but i really can't justify picking the one up from my shop and then paying another $200 for the new engine... :( geo 3 or luxe sounds a bit better at that price but i probably will just sit on my hands and not do anything.


??

Vanguard Demon is 1050$ + 200$ for the 2013 internals = 1250$

Geo 3 is 1345$
Luxe 2.0 is 1500$

The Vanguard Demon is a lower price then either.
really the only marker i'd justify for competition would be the Luxe 1.5 sale price at 1199$ or the Geo 2.1, hell even the Dye NT 11 + Rotor combo for 999$

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 12:26 PM

honestly the fit and finish of the luxe and geo3 is a bit more appealing and i have a service center right in town, whereas with vanguard i have to ship it off if anything happens i can't fix. and i just haven't gotten the chance to shoot a demon, though i have shot about 3 cases through some geo3's.

pricing is not that far off between the 3 for me.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 07:49 PM

honestly the fit and finish of the luxe and geo3 is a bit more appealing and i have a service center right in town, whereas with vanguard i have to ship it off if anything happens i can't fix. and i just haven't gotten the chance to shoot a demon, though i have shot about 3 cases through some geo3's.

pricing is not that far off between the 3 for me.

Am I the only one that sees the irony in your name is demon but you don't like demons?
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Posted 31 August 2012 - 10:42 PM

im sold. now just gotta pick which one of my guns is on the chopping block
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Posted 31 August 2012 - 11:21 PM

I was sold before, this hammers it home. When I have some monies I'll think about picking one up
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 01:54 AM


honestly the fit and finish of the luxe and geo3 is a bit more appealing and i have a service center right in town, whereas with vanguard i have to ship it off if anything happens i can't fix. and i just haven't gotten the chance to shoot a demon, though i have shot about 3 cases through some geo3's.

pricing is not that far off between the 3 for me.

Am I the only one that sees the irony in your name is demon but you don't like demons?

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 02:52 AM

I just traded my demon. My v2 shot great, I can only imagine how it would be with these improvements. I considered sending it in for the updates, but $200 is just more than I'm willing to spend for an update really. Not saying it wouldn't have been worth it, just saying its a bit much for something that should have been done beforehand.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 02:38 AM

I know this is an old thread but just sent my new demon in for the internal upgrade. Didn't know about it till 2 days ago lol Just got the gun today but I can wait 4 more days to fully have hopefully a better gun



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:09 AM

I will probably be picking one of these up in the future, and might just see if I can have the internals put in right away when they send it to me and pay the extra money. Anyone know if future models will come with the 2013 engine installed at purchase?


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:54 AM

All of the demons being sold from Vanguard are 2013's I believe, so you won't have to pay extra to get them 2013'ed. I must say they are extremely nice shooting markers too, I kinda wish I never traded mine.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:29 PM

All new Demons will be coming with the 2013 internals, they are going for $1250 I do believe. If you do grab one or are getting a 2012 upgraded let Frank know I sent you his way =)

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:19 AM

All new Demons will be coming with the 2013 internals, they are going for $1250 I do believe. If you do grab one or are getting a 2012 upgraded let Frank know I sent you his way =)

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:49 AM

The operating pressure of 90 psi sounds pretty erotic.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:56 PM

Demon are ugly too me


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:16 AM

Demon are ugly too me


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:01 AM

I lold in the middle of class thanks hodge haha

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:07 AM

I'd rather have a fugly marker that works amazing, then spending the extra coin for some "milling"

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:12 AM

Or do both and get a bl.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:16 AM

meh?

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:51 AM

hmm... this news thread appears to be about internals... i don't see any "milling" of which you speak on these internals... is it just me or is the milling on the gun...and you don't see these internals... as they are... internal?

therefore... why does this keep getting brought back up over the look of the demons? this isn't a VS thread.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:18 PM

Because we always have to compare gun "X" to Gun "Z".

I for one am not comapring but I prsonally think and this is my own opinion is that the Demon is Vastly over looked, but I do see the light for Vanguard, as long as Creed and Demon shooters let other players try their markers out to let them literally "feel" how great a Demon feels their will be more of a market.




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