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Posted 23 September 2012 - 07:31 PM

the barrel is the stock one from a autococker trilogy sport. I've tried putting some tape on the end of it. today i ended up having about 10 barrel breaks threw out the day, paint was either evil or ultra evil cant remember which. Any suggestions on what else i could try and see if it lowers the barrel breaks, and suggestions for a hpr would be appreciated. thanks

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 07:34 PM

the barrel is the stock one from a autococker trilogy sport. I've tried putting some tape on the end of it. today i ended up having about 10 barrel breaks threw out the day, paint was either evil or ultra evil cant remember which. Any suggestions on what else i could try and see if it lowers the barrel breaks, and suggestions for a hpr would be appreciated. thanks


I do not think you can do anything without a new bolt (speaking out of my ass here).

When I had my cocker, it was really hard on paint, so you might need a new bolt.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 08:38 PM

its a pump so its not the bolt chopping it it never had anything on it anyway. idk what could have caused it but the thing i dont like is when it does happen paint gets under the tape and i have to take the tape off, thus destroying it, in order to clean under it.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 09:04 PM

I take it you just have the gas through grip on it right now?

Any standard HPR that would fit might work well.
However, apparently,the Sport's weren't made to run on anything less than 800 psi. I've got mine running at (what I think) 500 psi and 4 turns in with the IVG. Works solid.

I will be getting the low pressure kit soon. Maybe you should too.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 11:32 PM

i had issues just getting the damn thing above.. was it 150 or 200fps, cant remember, anyway i already have the low pressure springs in and they work. i know i need a reg for it and if I'm doing that might as well change the asa at the same time so its line out the front cus that square right angle out the side bugs the crap out of me when i shoot left handed.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 11:53 PM

you just have the springs or the whole valve kit as well? To my knowledge, you need the valve assembly as well as it allows greater flow (and therefore you can get away with low pressure)

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 12:46 AM

it was kind of cold for evil today, i told you that at the field as far as regs go, don't keep putting money into that trilogy it just has problems and wasn't designed for what you want it to do. take a good long look at this.

and i have also told you, lurker barrel, that's how to stop rollouts, or a smaller bore, those are the only ways, and we have had bad evil at the field for a bit.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 05:27 PM

Tape shouldn't be causing barrel breaks if you're doing it properly:


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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:37 PM

i had issues just getting the damn thing above.. was it 150 or 200fps, cant remember, anyway i already have the low pressure springs in and they work. i know i need a reg for it and if I'm doing that might as well change the asa at the same time so its line out the front cus that square right angle out the side bugs the crap out of me when i shoot left handed.


Until you have an input regulator you need to use the stock springs.
I'm not surprised you're having velocity problems.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 12:50 AM

simple dont point your gun downward lol

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 06:50 AM

Have you tried making nail polish detents? I do this on my older guns that don't have detents or a barrel kit .
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 12:07 PM

simple dont point your gun downward lol

you should try playing pump sometime.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 06:10 PM


simple dont point your gun downward lol

you should try playing pump sometime.


Actually he has a point, most of the time you want to have your gun up, and if you need to hold the gun in a rest position, you can always opt for upward. This is what we did back in the day before anyone knew anything about paint fit lol
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 07:21 PM



simple dont point your gun downward lol

you should try playing pump sometime.


Actually he has a point, most of the time you want to have your gun up, and if you need to hold the gun in a rest position, you can always opt for upward. This is what we did back in the day before anyone knew anything about paint fit lol


There is a thing called stock class, play it then get back to us

Also to answer op, try getting a tight bore barrel or like Yankee said nail polish detents. Apparently my heat paint likes to roll out at .684, dammit now to .681 I go before I frantom a barrel

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 07:44 PM


i had issues just getting the damn thing above.. was it 150 or 200fps, cant remember, anyway i already have the low pressure springs in and they work. i know i need a reg for it and if I'm doing that might as well change the asa at the same time so its line out the front cus that square right angle out the side bugs the crap out of me when i shoot left handed.


Until you have an input regulator you need to use the stock springs.
I'm not surprised you're having velocity problems.


that was with the stock springs. the low pressure springs fixed that issue, it just jumps.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 10:02 PM

bolts not a problem on cocker pumps... just underbore.... its the easyest way and you can get a 685 cp barrel for 30 bucks thatl be amazing..... just buy a 685 barrel <_<

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 09:59 AM

.685 is too large. .675 lurker or .680 is best.

velocity jumps are due to it being non regulated

but again for the money you are putting into this thing and what i know you want to do with it, i would highly suggest looking at those pumps i linked

this one is a really good deal for the price

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 11:00 AM

don't have the funds for another gun after dropping 5 grand on classes, and next semester ill be taking even more

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 11:02 AM

Nail polish is probably the way to go then.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 11:44 AM

Nail polish is probably the way to go then.


ive heard of that and white out. But don't those end up harming the barrel if you ever plan on removing it?

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 03:12 PM

yeah i just got hit with my first semester bill, nailpolish tape or a lurker barrel are your cheapest options. it will continue to have the velocity jump without a reg

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 05:44 PM

wish the reg from my envy would work.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 06:34 PM

it should, it should be standard threading.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 08:55 PM

last time i tried it it had air comeing from somewhere... but now that i think about it the oring did have a nick in it when i looked at it later. im gunna have too check that out when i finish my homework

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:36 PM

yup still doesn't work. air leaks from a small indent between the reg and the marker body, and from the look of it, it was manufactured with that ding. and since that doesn't seal when you fire it then air leaks down the barrel, i would assume that this happens due to the first leak causing a lose of pressure or i've got the ivg into far when you put a reg on it.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 04:08 AM

There is a thing called stock class, play it then get back to us


Trilogies have detents so it would not have a problem.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 06:41 AM


There is a thing called stock class, play it then get back to us


Trilogies have detents so it would not have a problem.

Double feed, yes. Rollout, no
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 02:33 PM



There is a thing called stock class, play it then get back to us


Trilogies have detents so it would not have a problem.

Double feed, yes. Rollout, no


Then get a return spring doenst have to be a strong one just strong enough to keep the bolt from opening all the way while rested in an upward position to prevent a double feed. As for the accusation that I don't play pump well that is not true. Pump is the main style I play.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 02:46 PM



There is a thing called stock class, play it then get back to us


Trilogies have detents so it would not have a problem.

Double feed, yes. Rollout, no


Feed-rollout yes, which is what I assume you were referring to above, otherwise you were making no point.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 06:12 PM




There is a thing called stock class, play it then get back to us


Trilogies have detents so it would not have a problem.

Double feed, yes. Rollout, no


then get a return spring doenst have to be a strong one just strong enough to keep the bolt from opening all the way.


omg... you need to go play pump before you talk in the pump section and try to give advice. THE BOLT PUSHES THE BALL PAST THE DETENTS IF IT DOESN'T IT WON'T SHOOT

detents on autocockers only prevent double feeds because it is a CLOSED BOLT MARKER they are not open bolt.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:18 PM

to help keep steve from popping a vein this is an animation of an autococker. notice that the ball is in the barrel and then it fires. its not perfect but you get the picture My link

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:08 PM

What I meant is that double feed is less likely to happen on an autococker due to its double feed detents but rollouts can still happen because the bolt is forward and the ball is in front of the bolt. This means ball is in the barrel and if the bore is too big, balls roll out. Some people need to just fucking play pump before running their damn mouths
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There is a thing called stock class, play it then get back to us


Trilogies have detents so it would not have a problem.

Double feed, yes. Rollout, no


then get a return spring doenst have to be a strong one just strong enough to keep the bolt from opening all the way.


omg... you need to go play pump before you talk in the pump section and try to give advice. THE BOLT PUSHES THE BALL PAST THE DETENTS IF IT DOESN'T IT WON'T

detents on autocockers only prevent double feeds because it is a CLOSED BOLT MARKER they are not open bolt.

thankyou!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i hate it when non pump players try to talk about pump.... lol detents on a pump ahahahahqahahahahahahahaha

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 01:33 AM

children trying to talk about a gun older than them... sooo fucking frustrating.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 01:33 AM

What I meant is that double feed is less likely to happen on an autococker due to its double feed detents but rollouts can still happen because the bolt is forward and the ball is in front of the bolt. This means ball is in the barrel and if the bore is too big, balls roll out. Some people need to just fucking play pump before running their damn mouths


I'm not sure if you're still talking to me but, the only reason stock class would be different from direct feed pump when it comes to the "hold the gun up to prevent rollout" methods (i.e. the oldest-school method ever) is if you have a rear-facing feed tube and rock forward to load a ball, which may then possibly roll directly out of the barrel. This is only an issue with a gun without detents, because the detent will prevent the ball from entering the barrel until the bolt is being closed, which should be about the time you have lifted the gun back up into ready position. The ball will not roll out in that position.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 01:38 AM


What I meant is that double feed is less likely to happen on an autococker due to its double feed detents but rollouts can still happen because the bolt is forward and the ball is in front of the bolt. This means ball is in the barrel and if the bore is too big, balls roll out. Some people need to just fucking play pump before running their damn mouths


I'm not sure if you're still talking to me but, the only reason stock class would be different from direct feed pump when it comes to the "hold the gun up to prevent rollout" methods (i.e. the oldest-school method ever) is if you have a rear-facing feed tube and rock forward to load a ball, which may then possibly roll directly out of the barrel. This is only an issue with a gun without detents, because the detent will prevent the ball from entering the barrel until the bolt is being closed, which should be about the time you have lifted the gun back up into ready position. The ball will not roll out in that position.

^^^ this is accurate, but solely if the player doesn't close the pump/bolt before it gets atleast horizontal to the ground and even then the momentum from the arcing motion back up may cause a rollout, best solution on any pump is to underbore, there is nothing better.

to help keep steve from popping a vein this is an animation of an autococker. notice that the ball is in the barrel and then it fires. its not perfect but you get the picture My link

thats close but that is an evil omen. it's a really weird design, if you look at the bolt it actually holds the next ball to the side of the bolt. but the principle is the same.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 01:48 AM



What I meant is that double feed is less likely to happen on an autococker due to its double feed detents but rollouts can still happen because the bolt is forward and the ball is in front of the bolt. This means ball is in the barrel and if the bore is too big, balls roll out. Some people need to just fucking play pump before running their damn mouths


I'm not sure if you're still talking to me but, the only reason stock class would be different from direct feed pump when it comes to the "hold the gun up to prevent rollout" methods (i.e. the oldest-school method ever) is if you have a rear-facing feed tube and rock forward to load a ball, which may then possibly roll directly out of the barrel. This is only an issue with a gun without detents, because the detent will prevent the ball from entering the barrel until the bolt is being closed, which should be about the time you have lifted the gun back up into ready position. The ball will not roll out in that position.

^^^ this is accurate, but solely if the player doesn't close the pump/bolt before it gets atleast horizontal to the ground and even then the momentum from the arcing motion back up may cause a rollout, best solution on any pump is to underbore, there is nothing better.

to help keep steve from popping a vein this is an animation of an autococker. notice that the ball is in the barrel and then it fires. its not perfect but you get the picture My link

thats close but that is an evil omen. it's a really weird design, if you look at the bolt it actually holds the next ball to the side of the bolt. but the principle is the same.


ya couldn't think of the site that has more of those animations, i believe they had one of an autococker.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 01:54 AM

^^^ this is accurate, but solely if the player doesn't close the pump/bolt before it gets atleast horizontal to the ground and even then the momentum from the arcing motion back up may cause a rollout, best solution on any pump is to underbore, there is nothing better.


Yep. Playing devil's advocate however, having played in the days before smallbore barrels and stock class existed.

Now I produce them lol

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 07:01 AM


What I meant is that double feed is less likely to happen on an autococker due to its double feed detents but rollouts can still happen because the bolt is forward and the ball is in front of the bolt. This means ball is in the barrel and if the bore is too big, balls roll out. Some people need to just fucking play pump before running their damn mouths


I'm not sure if you're still talking to me but, the only reason stock class would be different from direct feed pump when it comes to the "hold the gun up to prevent rollout" methods (i.e. the oldest-school method ever) is if you have a rear-facing feed tube and rock forward to load a ball, which may then possibly roll directly out of the barrel. This is only an issue with a gun without detents, because the detent will prevent the ball from entering the barrel until the bolt is being closed, which should be about the time you have lifted the gun back up into ready position. The ball will not roll out in that position.

This is why I had to pump right before I shot last week, instead of pumping after I shot
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Posted 28 September 2012 - 09:50 AM


Nail polish is probably the way to go then.


ive heard of that and white out. But don't those end up harming the barrel if you ever plan on removing it?

Nail polish won't harm your barrel. It actually wears off with play and cleaning so keep an eye on them.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 02:52 PM



What I meant is that double feed is less likely to happen on an autococker due to its double feed detents but rollouts can still happen because the bolt is forward and the ball is in front of the bolt. This means ball is in the barrel and if the bore is too big, balls roll out. Some people need to just fucking play pump before running their damn mouths


I'm not sure if you're still talking to me but, the only reason stock class would be different from direct feed pump when it comes to the "hold the gun up to prevent rollout" methods (i.e. the oldest-school method ever) is if you have a rear-facing feed tube and rock forward to load a ball, which may then possibly roll directly out of the barrel. This is only an issue with a gun without detents, because the detent will prevent the ball from entering the barrel until the bolt is being closed, which should be about the time you have lifted the gun back up into ready position. The ball will not roll out in that position.

This is why I had to pump right before I shot last week, instead of pumping after I shot


Yeah, it's not ideal but that's how it used to be done when the balls were rollin' lol
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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:10 PM

How we have come a long way from then eh?

Edited by get.lit.up!, 28 September 2012 - 06:12 PM.

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