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#1 Filmer_jake

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 01:20 PM

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Empire Scion Paintball Hopper - Black
The Scion is the newest addition to the Empire line of hoppers. The scion takes popular features from the Halo Too and the Prophecy Z2 and combines them into one awesome loader.

Features:
  • Infrared Break Beam activation
  • New drive cone for more consistent feeding; based off the successful Z2 loader design
  • Self Monitoring Drive Speed, similar to the logic used on the Z2 loader
  • Saves battery life
  • Prevents Pop-corning of paintballs
  • More consistent feeding, so the marker is never starved of paintballs
  • Auto Jam Clearance
  • Scion senses a jammed paintball and reverses to clear the jam
  • 6 Adjustable speed settings
  • Tool-less Battery Door
  • Includes a Rip Drive for manual advance or reverse of the ball stack
  • Integrated Freeway Anti-Jam
  • Works very well with Reballs
  • Compatible with standard Halo accessories and shells, such as the Quick Load lid

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 04:21 PM

I wonder if "infrared sensors provide automatic ball jam clearance" is a legit reverse the motor auto-unjam, or if that's just fancy talk for it'll pulse the motor when it thinks there's a jam.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 04:22 PM

This looks very cool for a mid end.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 04:24 PM

toyota gonna be mad! lol (probably not)


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Posted 25 October 2012 - 04:26 PM

Oh boy, they fixed the battery door issue on the Halo and called it an entirely new hopper, whoopee. :dodgy:

Ah I'm just kidding, I like Empire stuff, and it looks cool. Will be nice to see if they offer it in purple. :D

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 04:27 PM

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 04:30 PM

Another halo/ reloader-b...

How many reincarnations of halos have we seen over the years? Not that it's a bad thing, halos are great loaders.I just think renaming it something different is kinda stupid. Especially considering Scion is a car manufacturer. So I don't know why they would choose Scion... Like, seriously? Scion? Why Scion? :blink:


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Posted 25 October 2012 - 04:32 PM

There's two main changes I can see right off the bat: Tool-less battery door, and break beam eyes in the feedneck, instead of the reflective setup of years past. What is interesting to me however, is the "infrared sensors provide automatic ball jam clearance."

Just point that out, since it seems like most of you aren't seeing the features list behind it.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 04:37 PM

I think I'll stop saving for a spire/'13 rotor and just save ~$80 for this

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 04:53 PM

This will probably replace the Halo TOO.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 04:58 PM

This will probably replace the Halo TOO.

That's what I'm thinking. Maybe KEE/Empire is finally dropping Invert as a brand and incorporating everything into the Empire name.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 05:00 PM


This will probably replace the Halo TOO.

That's what I'm thinking. Maybe KEE/Empire is finally dropping Invert as a brand and incorporating everything into the Empire name.

Don't forget JT, i'm thinking everything is going to be Empire, or JT, as I haven't seen anything new from Invert.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 05:00 PM

I wonder how they can use the name scion without toyota suing them. I understand its 2 entirely different things but generally big companies guard their names with their lives.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 05:01 PM


This will probably replace the Halo TOO.

That's what I'm thinking. Maybe KEE/Empire is finally dropping Invert as a brand and incorporating everything into the Empire name.

To be honest, I think it'd save a lot of confusion just to put everything under the Empire or JT names.
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 05:01 PM

Kee already dropped Invert, and they've been making them as the Empire Too. We used to sell the V-max as our main hopper to sell people, but switched to the Empire Too because the V-max was shit. We're kind of a budget field in an area where paintball isn't that big, so the Empire Too is about as expensive as stuff gets out there.

This looks to be in between the Too and Z2.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 05:06 PM

HA! I have a Toyota add right now!

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 05:15 PM

I think it'll be a great loader. The shell looks awesome too!
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 05:28 PM

I wonder how they can use the name scion without toyota suing them. I understand its 2 entirely different things but generally big companies guard their names with their lives.

Scion may refer to:

  • Lineal descendant (of a notable family), a son or daughter

Scion is not just a name someone at Toyota came up with, and there are many different products already with that name. In this case, the definition I listed seems to fit with the new hopper.



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Posted 25 October 2012 - 05:37 PM


I wonder how they can use the name scion without toyota suing them. I understand its 2 entirely different things but generally big companies guard their names with their lives.

Scion may refer to:

  • Lineal descendant (of a notable family), a son or daughter

Scion is not just a name someone at Toyota came up with, and there are many different products already with that name. In this case, the definition I listed seems to fit with the new hopper.


Interesting...

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 05:56 PM

I wonder if I can peruse kee to replace my halo shell with this or even a white halo shell :/

It would be cool to drop a magna clutch and rip drive in this if possible

Oh wait it has a rip drive, oh snap! Ok I retract my statement to only just the magna drive

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 07:18 PM

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And on topic, i think if it has all the features it's described to have, it should be a really solid mid-end hopper!

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 07:44 PM

Yay! Now i can get an invert too for hella cheap. But looks nice
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 09:51 PM

seriously looks like a halo/ reoaloder/ b /invert too / every other re incarnated halo type hopper aha
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 09:58 PM

i asked for a pic of the tray and anti jam... this is what they posted. hmmm


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Posted 25 October 2012 - 10:28 PM

seriously looks like a halo/ reoaloder/ b /invert too / every other re incarnated halo type hopper aha

Well, yeah, they're using the same molds to make the shells.

i asked for a pic of the tray and anti jam... this is what they posted. hmmm

Well, this confirms it. It's essentially a Z2 in a Halo body.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 12:48 AM

This BETTER be at least $80. I just bought a used Too.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 02:31 AM

Calling this thing 'new' is quite a stretch...

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 11:47 AM

Well, it is a lot "newer" than another re-branded Halo. Mostly I just want to know if these internals/board could potentially be swapped into older Halos, specifically my Magnas.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 07:35 PM

I wonder how they can use the name scion without toyota suing them. I understand its 2 entirely different things but generally big companies guard their names with their lives.


They're totally different items. As far as I understand an item made by a company can be copyrighted, but not trademarked. So you could make a paintball gun called the Civic, but not start a paintball company called Honda.*




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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:23 PM

Can't they make a shell outta glass injected nylon or whatever the original revy and rotor used. Can I have a shell that won't crack or the neck snap. Please! That would be perfect for a mid end. Of course maybe it would be to pm8 for them.
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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:29 PM

I think it'll be a great loader. The shell looks awesome too!


Looks like the same old shitty Halo shells that always break. Decent loaders, shells that I have just had enough of. Never going back to this crap.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:31 PM


I think it'll be a great loader. The shell looks awesome too!

Looks like the same old shitty Halo shells that always break. Decent loaders, shells that I have just had enough of. Never going back to this crap.

Supposed to be made of the same material as the Z2.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 09:41 PM

damn missed that one at cup!

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 11:29 PM

But...but...i just bought the empire halo too the other month.... If I had just waited!

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 11:35 PM


I think it'll be a great loader. The shell looks awesome too!


Looks like the same old shitty Halo shells that always break. Decent loaders, shells that I have just had enough of. Never going back to this crap.


I think you need to look again, that doesn't look anything like an old Halo shell.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 12:53 AM



I think it'll be a great loader. The shell looks awesome too!


Looks like the same old shitty Halo shells that always break. Decent loaders, shells that I have just had enough of. Never going back to this crap.


I think you need to look again, that doesn't look anything like an old Halo shell.



Well, it does LOOK like it... but perhaps they arent quite as brittle as the 'made of glass' Halo shells of old.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 01:05 AM

I wonder how they can use the name scion without toyota suing them. I understand its 2 entirely different things but generally big companies guard their names with their lives.


It's more like, "What can I gain from suing this company for using our name?" Empire being a paintball company, they really won't gain much. What they will do by suing Empire, however, is more publicity to Empire which could rake in sales and expand the popularity of paintball.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 01:07 AM

Well, it does LOOK like it... but perhaps they arent quite as brittle as the 'made of glass' Halo shells of old.


I don't think that looks anything like an old Halo shell, except for the shape. It's made out of a different material, you can tell that right away. It doesn't look as thin or brittle as a halo shell.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 01:38 AM

Interesting. Hmmm... I'd like to see this in action.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 10:50 AM


Well, it does LOOK like it... but perhaps they arent quite as brittle as the 'made of glass' Halo shells of old.


I don't think that looks anything like an old Halo shell, except for the shape. It's made out of a different material, you can tell that right away. It doesn't look as thin or brittle as a halo shell.

I don't think the picture reveals or even suggests a non-crappy shell.

Unfortunately, Empire did not have this in their tent at Cup.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 02:38 AM

I'll stick to my dinosaur Vlocity cuz it still doesnt decide to break
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:41 AM

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:00 AM

Looks like the same old shitty Halo shells that always break. Decent loaders, shells that I have just had enough of. Never going back to this crap.


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:02 PM

Empire Scion Just Got Released on Ansgear.com For $100 It looks like there is also a smoke version available.




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Posted 30 November 2012 - 03:04 PM

$100? Ouch. If I needed a hopper, I'd buy it at like $60, $70 tops, but not $100.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:32 PM

$100? Ouch. If I needed a hopper, I'd buy it at like $60, $70 tops, but not $100.


I agree it might be a little steep for this kind of Hopper.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:40 PM

This kind of hopper? It's a bloody Z2 in a Halo shell. Pretty much the only thing missing from a full Z2 is the easy disassembly, and for that it's a whole $70 off. Y'all are a bunch of cheapskates.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:47 PM

This kind of hopper? It's a bloody Z2 in a Halo shell. Pretty much the only thing missing from a full Z2 is the easy disassembly, and for that it's a whole $70 off. Y'all are a bunch of cheapskates.


Actually I am. I have to try and play paintball off of $30 a week. I really do think it is a good price, but if they are going to discontinue the TOO design and go with this, I will have problem with this being the low end loader. That is just my opinion though.




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