Ah also if it's of any interest since this would be a gift for me they'd probably be interested in buying new, so I don't think used is a viable route to go. I'm taking a look at the SP1 right now, I have heard of the Mini so I'll look into that, but if it really is small(even if I could fit it) I'm not sure if I'd get it. My hands cramp up very easily and I'd really like to avoid that possibility.
So is there anything to know about this SP1? The one on ANS is fairly cheap but it lists three firing modes(semi, 3-burst and auto), but another site(paintball-online) doesn't list many of the same features. It's looking pretty nice, but I'm not quite sold on the feed being in the center, thought. I'm also curious as to what the 9-volt is needed for? And anything else I should maybe know about it compared to the 98c or the other options? Oh, and also what sort of barrel threading it uses?
We were going about once a month in the spring/summer but had to take a break to save up some more money. I think we're doing some this winter but I doubt it'll be as often as we were playing in the summer. And while I'd love to save up for a more high-end gun I just don't think it's probable for me to go the route of the more expensive guns; at least right now. I'm just trying to think up some paintball gift ideas for Christmas, and asking for money wouldn't be likely.
How many times do you go paintballing in a month or two , do you play in winter? If you go more than 2 times a month and play in winter, I would suggest asking for cash and saving then buying a better marker than what you are looking at perhaps an ETEK or AXE ( they are poppets so the change from a tippmann to them won't be much). Don't go from low end to low end, I have gone through the bottom feeder circuit of paintball , it's not fun . Electro's are intimidating to many but honestly , they aren't that bad ; You have so many resources which can help you fix it if something goes wrong. Oh and also , Don't assume speedball markers have to go fast or ramp , You can set the BPS any way you like , you can even set it to the BPS of a 98c.
Trust me , Don't go low end to low end , You will just be stuck looking at other markers and wishing you had them instead of yours...
I can understand the concern of upgrading sideways instead of upgrading up, but a jump from a $100 to a $500-700 gun is quite steep.
As for upgrading my Tippmann, I'd be more willing if the upgrades weren't so expensive. I plan to get a decent loader(that's not Tippmann proprietary), and double trigger isn't that much interest for me. The only interesting one is the e-trigger, but I'm not willing to shell out $100 for one when I could just get a better gun. I already have a great barrel as well so no point in getting a flatline or anything. Also as far as regulators go, wouldn't my Ninja tank handle the regulation anyways?
I'm looking at the GoG Envy(with blackheart http://www.ansgear.c...nvywbhboard.htm) right now. Anything I should know about that as far as reliability and such? The eXTCy is also in the same pricerange(http://www.ansgear.c...allgunextcy.htm) what's the differences? Also finding some more videos on the SP-1 and it's getting GREAT reviews, and also lead me to the G-1(which is a bit more at the end of the price-range... however I can't find an SP-1 with blackheart already installed, so after a blackheart purchase they're nearing the same price). So much too look into
Don't listen to people, I do not believe they understand that you have a strict budget that isn't changing anytime soon...
The SP-1 is the same as the G1... Smart Parts made the SP-1. They "went out of business" and are now named GOG. And they just changed the name of the SP-1 to the G1.
The GOG G1, Envy, and Extcy are renamed after the Smart Parts SP-1, Vibe, and ION XE. They're the same markers with minor improvements to each when they were re-released under GOG.. All of these markers are based off the Smart Parts ION though. They have the same bolt designs, board designs, operate the same, etc. So they're all equally reliable and perform about the same to say the least. There are little difference between each though, like looks and bolt length, nothing major enough to make a big difference though...
The SP-1/G1 without blackheart board will not have eyes or anything. You might experience some chops when shooting fast, not sure how well the anti-chop low pressure bolt works on the non-eyed ones.. You can upgrade that SP-1 with a blackheart board down the road if you want to and it will give you eyes. As long as the eyes are clean, you shouldn't ever experience any chopped balls. I can promise you that. All 3 of those markers I listed are based off the Smart Parts ION. A well known, and well built marker. Many years, and many paintballs shot through these guns. They are solid markers.
SP-1 is probably your best bang for the buck when choosing between those markers. You can always get a blackheart board later. Also to answer your question. it will only require one 9v battery without the blackheart board. And once you get the blackheart board, you are simply just removing the current electronic board and putting the new blackheart one in. It will still operate on one 9v battery with the blackheart board.
Now the SP-1 and Vibe will need a new front breech I believe when upgrading to the blackheart board because the breeches in those were not milled for the eyes if I remember correctly. And that was one of the improvements made when the G1 and Envy was released to already have the front breech milled for the eyes for the upgrade. So if you get the SP-1 you will need to find an SP-1 Specific blackheart upgrade kit as it will include the breech. The GOG G1 blackheart upgrade will not come with it as it doesn't need it. You can still use that board I believe, you just can't connect the eyes to the board and use the eyes until you get a new breech milled for the eyes. If you contacted GOG they can get you a G1 breech and board for the SP-1 though when you ready to upgrade to it. New Breech is like $40 so that plus the board cost is $65. Looking at $105 to upgrade your SP-1 with a blackheart. So a SP-1 with blackheart will cost around $230ish and a GOG G1 with blackheart is around $300 and stock G1 is $250...
If you are going to go with the GOG Envy with blackheart. I recommend just getting the GOG Extcy with blackheart board for the same exact price. Reason being as the Extcy has eye covers. So you can access the eyes and detents easily without having to take the marker completely apart at the field in case for some reason dirt or paint blocks the eyes bad enough that you do need to take it apart to clean... Plus upgrade parts are more common like bolts, triggers, etc. in case you ever want to change those out later down the road.
Now GOG just released the GOG eNMEy which is a GOG Envy that is mechanical/sear tripped just like the Tippmann. So it is mechanical operated with no electronics. It is the same price as the SP-1 though. There will be an upgrade kit coming out for it though that will turn it fully electronic just like the Envy or SP-1/G1. And it will basically be a GOG Envy then. Not sure if that upgrade will be a blackheart or not though as it isn't released yet. Unless you want a mechanical, then upgrade later to electronic. I would say get the SP-1 otherwise this eNMEy is a good price and gun for a mechanical marker with good options. And upgrading this later down the road to electro is much much much better than upgrading the 98 with an egrip as this will be able to probably have eyes as well. Not to mention once it is upgraded with electronics it will shoot a lot smoother than a 98 with egrip.
So if you want to stick to mechanical right now, and have potential to electronics and fast firing later down the road. Go with the eNMEy.
If you want the smooth firing and electronics now, go with the SP-1.
If you go with the SP-1. I recommend holding off on the blackheart. Spend the $125 for the marker. And get a better hopper. THEN get the blackheart upgrade down the road. Even without the blackheart the marker will be able to shoot fast or slow. And a hopper will benefit you way more than upgrading the board without a good hopper.
Now another good option and I am surprised no one mentioned it. The Proto Rail. It is $250 and pushing your budget. But if you plan to spend your $250 on just a marker, this is one to look at as well and is very nice. I would recommend this over all the other 3 options if you plan to spend $250. Not saying the SP-1 sucks or the Extcy. I truely honestly like all 3
. But the Proto Rail is thinner in the body than the Extcy and SP-1. Has eyes with an eyepipe like you see on the DMs and NTs. A nice board like the blackheart. And the barrel is autococker threaded which is more common than Ion threaded like the other markers we have been talking about are. Common doesn't mean cheaper. Barrels all cost the same, but if you go to buy used they're easier to find is all and there are many more options for autococker threaded. But all the good barrels are made in Ion threaded as well so do not let that be the deciding factor.. But like I was saying the Proto Rail is a solid marker as well.
I guess I will take the time to talk about hoppers with you. Tons of good hoppers out there. Hoppers that are good, affordable, and in your budget. I know you said you do not play often and do not want to spend money on batteries. I am honestly going to recommend the Proto Primo loader first for you. It is gravity fed, no batteries, cheap. Pretty nice hopper. If you get an electro marker, are you going to be able to shoot out a bunch of paint very fast? With this hopper you can shoot realistically fast enough at your friends still. Because from the sounds of it I don't think you have a lot of money to spend on a lot paintballs and this will help you not shoot so fast and waste a lot of shots/paintballs and help you control the rate of fire better. Because regardless of how low you set the BallsPerSecond(bps) on electros, they still shoot mighty fast compared to your 98c!! And it is no fun being out of paintballs on the field while your friends still have some and are shooting at you! Or not being able to play while your friends still are because they have paint left, and you do not. So I recommend the Proto Primo.
If you do want to go electronic hopper. Empire/Invert Halo Too loader is good and solid for many reasons and a good price. Tons of threads about this loader. I really don't feel like listing reasons why it is so good. Have owned and used many of them over the years, they are great loader for that price range and it keeps up with any marker just like any of the $200 loaders, you just don't get the super quick tool-less disassembly like you get with the $200 loaders. Which is no big deal. It's only a few screws if you do need to clean inside it for some reason. The Invert Too runs at $75 and the Empire Halo Too is $85. They're the same hoppers made by the same company. The Empire named one just has the older Empire Reloader B shell which makes it a different colors. I'd say save the $10 and get the Invert Too in matte black unless you really want a different colored one. Oh and these use 4 AA batteries.
Kingman Fasta loaders I hear are good. Never personally used them though as they came out and I have all the top of line hoppers and no need for one of these, same with everyone at my field. But I hear good things on the internet about them. The Kingman Fasta LED 9v For $45 and the Kingman Fasta LED 18v at $65. The 9v feeds at <15bps and 18v feeds faster at <30bps. The 9v uses one 9v battery while the 18v obviously uses two 9v batteries. This is a cheaper option compared to the Invert/Empire Too. Also get the LED version, LCD on a loader is so pointless and not worth the extra cash. The Fasta is a good option.
There is the Valken VMax for $80... But I honestly wouldn't recommend it. It is supposed to be a good hopper. But I heard some of them have had battery draining issues and I don't know. I just wouldn't recommend it since you obviously are not made of money and there are better, cheaper options I personally would buy before getting this hopper.
So to sum it up. I suggest the Proto Primo. It is gravity fed though. If you want Electronic, if you can afford it, I say get the 18v Kingman Fasta.
And I am only going to recommend this for a barrel because it is one of the best barrels you can get. It is a Custom Products barrel. The One-piece is priced so nicely at $25 too. Honestly doesn't get better than that. This company makes most of the stock barrels for a lot of high-end markers because they make absolutely awesome barrels. Get whichever color you want, they have them in many different colors. Just get whichever thread your marker uses. And I recommend 14" in length, that is the norm for barrels. Can't go wrong with this option so I won't even suggest any others because it is a waste of time.
Tried to cover everything as much as possible. I hope this helped! If you have anymore questions feel free to ask!
Edited by Kirko017, 23 November 2012 - 02:03 AM.