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Posted 21 April 2013 - 07:00 PM

Once I get the money, my truck will be an automatic, and whatever car I drive will be a manual, now that I know how much fun they are. And I like the fact that the car does what I want, rather than the other way around.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 07:23 PM

You have to try one out before you can say anything. They may not be a stick, but they are pretty damn nice.

I'm sure they're very nice; I don't want one.

I've driven a new Jetta with a 6 spd auto, and it was utter crap. I'm sure the higher end cars are better, but I can't afford those :)
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:23 PM


You have to try one out before you can say anything. They may not be a stick, but they are pretty damn nice.

I'm sure they're very nice; I don't want one.

I've driven a new Jetta with a 6 spd auto, and it was utter crap. I'm sure the higher end cars are better, but I can't afford those :)

Not even close to being similar to a Mopar 8 or 9 speed. You have to try one of those out. I get that it's not your thing, but try one first.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 04:05 AM

the new 8 speed electronic transmission from MOPAR/Ram that went intot he 2013 ram 1500 is some of the smoothest shifting transmissions from what i have read...

manual and auto transmissions have their places... if you are doing any kind of racing that invloves a road course, i would want a manual, more control over the engine... if i am towing or hauling, i want an automatic... for highway and city driving, i want an automatic, but, if i am out in the country, manual is more fun...

for what i intend to use a vehicle for, overland driving, an automatic is king because it allows me to run a lower RPM with out stalling over rough terrain, and its one less thing to think about when i am trying to judge trail factors such and approack and departure angles, cant and pitch...

when ram set out to make the new 1500 pickup more fuel efficient, with a higher torque output for towing, they went to an 8spd automatic... the claims i've been seeing on the new 1500 is a 10-18% increase in areodynamics and fuel efficiency, using the same 5.7l hemi truck engine as last year... they also included active grill shutters... first commercial vehicle i've seen offer that... and now chevy is offering it, go figure
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 07:00 PM

Ford has their own grill shutters too. It's not really a new technology since they've apparently been used in Europe for a few years now. Makes sense that Chrysler is adding them to their lineup since they're pretty much owned by Fiat now.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 08:00 PM

You know alot of this so called "new" tech going into cars filters down from over the road diesel rigs.

Direct injection well that's diesel since the start. Grill shutters was done in 60s and 70s. Autoshifting manual transmissions done differently in rigs but that started in the 90s. Turbocharging for the purpose of efficency More so than power.

It all trickles down.

But one thing in rigs stays the same and that is for the purpose of hauling heavy weights manuals still rain supream. Autos just can't have enuff ratios while keeping weight down and the autoshifts are just too slow and can't anticipate needs like a good driver can.

The only place were autos can actually be better for hauling is in extreme heavy applications but those are in off highway applications with very low speeds. And they work best there due to the torque multiplication nature of the tq converter.
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 08:08 PM

The us srmys het hauler uses an automatic and its purpose is to haul tanks... on highways
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 08:25 PM

But I'm willing to bet that truck has a lower top speed AND is far less efficient then a standard Rig hauling the same load.
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 08:34 PM

You know alot of this so called "new" tech going into cars filters down from over the road diesel rigs.

Direct injection well that's diesel since the start. Grill shutters was done in 60s and 70s.

It's ironic that you mention that, because I was watching a video yesterday from Jay Leno's garage on a custom hot rod that was based off of Peterbilt parts:

It has those thermostatically controlled grill louvers.
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 08:35 PM

The us srmys het hauler uses an automatic and its purpose is to haul tanks... on highways


I wonder if that has anything to do with a lot of kids not knowing how to drive a manual these days?

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 08:40 PM

Mercedes "swiveling head lamps" was around in the fifties.
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 08:49 PM

Mercedes "swiveling head lamps" was around in the fifties.

The 1948 Tucker invented that IIRC.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:20 PM

the HET's i worked with in Iraq had a top speed of about 60MPH fully loaded, and they were able to drive a couple hundred miles on a full tank
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:28 PM

the HET's i worked with in Iraq had a top speed of about 60MPH fully loaded, and they were able to drive a couple hundred miles on a full tank


That's crazy for being able to carry a freaking tank.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:07 PM

the HET's i worked with in Iraq had a top speed of about 60MPH fully loaded, and they were able to drive a couple hundred miles on a full tank


A tank Is ALOT OF WEIGHT ruffly 140,000 lbs. But Rigs can also see those weights with B-train trailers in some locations. 18 speed manual transmissions offer far more ratios allowing the driver to keep the engine in the torque band or lower for economy. It makes the engine far less stressed allowing better economy And its physically lighter than the ALLISON autos with less then half the gear ratios.

Simply put a manual trans by its design is a far more efficient means of power transfer than a much heavier slush box (Automatic). I used to work for a Allison and Voith automatic rebuild shop (mainly for buses, fire trucks and heavy equipment). I do like autos they have there place BUT they do have limitations. As does standards.

But in a heavy haul environment were both speed and efficency are required Traditional AUTOS can not work. Eaton Fuller does offer a 13 speed Auto Shift transmission were its a regular 13 speed with a computer controlled traditional clutch and shifter linkage but despite claims a good driver with a standard will still be more efficient and be able to transfer power quicker. AND the auto shifts are still heavier and not related the break down more offten and are a PITA to work on I might add.
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:23 PM


the HET's i worked with in Iraq had a top speed of about 60MPH fully loaded, and they were able to drive a couple hundred miles on a full tank


A tank Is ALOT OF WEIGHT ruffly 140,000 lbs. But Rigs can also see those weights with B-train trailers in some locations. 18 speed manual transmissions offer far more ratios allowing the driver to keep the engine in the torque band or lower for economy. It makes the engine far less stressed allowing better economy And its physically lighter than the ALLISON autos with less then half the gear ratios.

Simply put a manual trans by its design is a far more efficient means of power transfer than a much heavier slush box (Automatic). I used to work for a Allison and Voith automatic rebuild shop (mainly for buses, fire trucks and heavy equipment). I do like autos they have there place BUT they do have limitations. As does standards.

But in a heavy haul environment were both speed and efficency are required Traditional AUTOS can not work. Eaton Fuller does offer a 13 speed Auto Shift transmission were its a regular 13 speed with a computer controlled traditional clutch and shifter linkage but despite claims a good driver with a standard will still be more efficient and be able to transfer power quicker. AND the auto shifts are still heavier and not related the break down more offten and are a PITA to work on I might add.


And manuals also take a while to learn. Where as you can toss a kid into a truck with an auto and say go, and he'll pick it up in far less time, which is great for military, because it means less time training and more time fighting.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:58 PM

the HET's, and most modern non humvee military trucks, use a puch button allison transmission... i've seen some that run 8-10 speed transmission made only for the miltiary...
yeah, manuals are easier to drive, which is why the army uses them... the military wants a truck that any idiot (read infantry) can jump into and drive in the heat of battle...

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while i agree that a manual is better, the HET is just one example of where an auto can do the same job... the HET is one of the biggest road legal transport trucks ever made... it was designed for the sole purpose of transporting the M1 Abrams over civilian roads in peace time... its since been adopted as a GP supply truck for iraq, because of its immense power and the size of its trailer, it can carry twice as mush as the M195 truck can, which is the military version of a long haul tractor trailer...

iam simply pointing out that there are trucks out there that benefit form an auto, and can pull just as much and be jsut as efficient at a manual long haul truck...


that being said... i've been thinking more about my jeep build... and i keep bounding back between a cj-7 powered by a new 3.6l cummins 4bt or an edelbrock chevy 350 hi torque crate motor...

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:12 AM

I'm looking at the 4bt specs, and it looks kind of disappointing. 105hp and 265 lb-ft torque? Granted, that's in stock form, it seems kind of weak.

I think the 350 would probably be easier to do, and would have more hp and torque, but you'll get miserable gas mileage compared to the diesel, I would think.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:16 AM

yeah, but the 4bt in a CJ boasts 30MPG city

the 4BT is more of an off road motor... its more commonly found in farm equipment then anything else... they can be tuned to get over 200HP... and to be honest, i've never seen another motor give a jeep the mythical "torgue lift"... i've seen JK's with 4bt's in them that in idle have lifted off the shocks due to the torque

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:09 AM


Mercedes "swiveling head lamps" was around in the fifties.

The 1948 Tucker invented that IIRC.



That's it couldn't remember the make, but now that I think about if I recall correctly they had bell helicopter engines too.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:16 AM

if gas turbine engines were more efficient i would love to put one in an off road vehicle... the torque they produce is amazing... i've personally seen an m1 abrams spin both tracks from a stand still... damn impressive for a main battle tank...
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 08:36 AM

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At least I don't have to feed that fuel gussling A4 for 6 months. :D

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:04 AM

So who has some advice on radar detectors, and how well do they work with laser? Looking at the Escort Passport, who claims they detect laser. But do they only detect it when it hits your car, or do they also detect it when it hits other cars? Because if it only detects it when it hits your car, then it's pretty much useless and not worth getting. But if it can detect laser that hits other cars, and give me some warning, then that would be nice.

And apparently laser jammers are illegal in Texas. :(

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:30 AM

The new laser ones are hard to beat, and honestly I don't think the detectors work all that well. Radar was easy, hell you didn't even need a detector... Just stay within a few other cars and the system had a really hard time getting the speed of a single vehicle.

I know the laser jammers work, but I'm more inclined to think the simple detectors don't having actually used both a radar gun and laser one. :P

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:42 AM

Yeah, that's what I figured. The laser beam is just too narrow and focused to bounce around and get picked up like how a radar beam would. Oh well, just have to wait to move to a state where a laser jammer is legal. Fortunately laser jammers only emit light, instead of radio waves, so they aren't controlled by the FCC like radar jammers are.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:09 PM

I remember a guy I knew trying to get his hands on some sort of mil-spec mattblack paint for his car just to try and beat it. The dude had like a dozen tickets! :lol:

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:21 PM

Supposedly there are ways to try and make your car harder to hit with the laser gun, but no way of outright beating it without a jammer. http://www.laserveil.com/

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:35 PM

I came:

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If anyone didn't know, I lost my licence cause I had too many points on it, got another speeding ticket a few weeks back and have been taking the bus since. Posted Image
At least I don't have to feed that fuel gussling A4 for 6 months. :D


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 02:11 PM

I came here for mopar...
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 02:37 PM

Hero, the kind of paint you are refering to is CARC paint, its job is to protect the vehicle from radiation and reflect heat, not lasers...
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 02:40 PM

So guys, I literally just got my license today, and I'm looking for a new (used) car. I want something that is decent on gas but also puts out some decent power when my friends and I decide to have a little drag race on empty roads (because YOLO amirite). My price range is $1000-$3000.

Keep in mind that I know little about cars but I'm slowly learning thanks to my friends.

Hatchbacks are a major plus but not necessary.

Help is appreciated. Thanks :)

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 08:41 PM

The best advice I can give you is to not street race.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 08:53 PM

The best advice I can give you is to not street race.

This. Seriously, don't do it.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:17 PM

Hero, the kind of paint you are refering to is CARC paint, its job is to protect the vehicle from radiation and reflect heat, not lasers...

Well I don't fucking know. It wasn't my car.

Also, Euro > Mopar

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Hero, the kind of paint you are refering to is CARC paint, its job is to protect the vehicle from radiation and reflect heat, not lasers...

Well I don't fucking know. It wasn't my car.

Also, Euro > Mopar

Dat Porsche

And don't street race. Especially with a car you plan to buy for 1-3grand.... You may end up with pieces of the block all over the road hahaha



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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:28 PM


Hero, the kind of paint you are refering to is CARC paint, its job is to protect the vehicle from radiation and reflect heat, not lasers...

Well I don't fucking know. It wasn't my car.

Also, Euro > Mopar

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Hero, the kind of paint you are refering to is CARC paint, its job is to protect the vehicle from radiation and reflect heat, not lasers...

Well I don't fucking know. It wasn't my car.

Also, Euro > Mopar

Dat Porsche

And don't street race. Especially with a car you plan to buy for 1-3grand.... You may end up with pieces of the block all over the road hahaha

Mopar>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Euro
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:49 PM

Maybe you guys could help;

I'm looking for something around $4-5000, but may be able to lead up to $6-7000 depending on quality

My friend suggested a 1990 Nissan 240sx, with some aftermarket mods, or even a Porsche. Really have no limits other than the obvious safety and (semi-decent) fuel efficiency

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:57 PM

C'mon fish, if you are going to post up an A-body don't pick the ugliest one there is. Try a Duster, straight out of the ads. I adore muscle cars, but they have nothing on modern cars unless it's on a dragstrip.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:04 PM

I like Mopar for sheer power and rugged lines, I like asian cars for beautiful lines and agility.

Mopar looks good
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Asian is just gorgeous
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Granted, the asian has a $10,000 body kit on it, but even without, asian cars can look good.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:06 PM

i'll take a MOPAR vehicle of a Euro vehicle any day... only euro vehicles that peak my interest are the mercedes g waggon and teh unimog series...
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:21 PM

C'mon fish, if you are going to post up an A-body don't pick the ugliest one there is. Try a Duster, straight out of the ads. I adore muscle cars, but they have nothing on modern cars unless it's on a dragstrip.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 01:59 AM

Speaking of mopars, where is the general lee?
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:22 AM

I'm with Hero. Euro>Mopar

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 04:00 AM

too low to the ground....

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:51 AM

Japan. Then Euro. And then GM over MOPAR. My family is a GM family. It's just how I was raised.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:57 AM

I'm with Hero. Euro>Mopar

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Man, it would suck driving that with all the speed bumps around my school.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:59 AM

Why limit ya likes to one demographic at all???? Makes no since what so ever. I like pretty much something from every vehicle manufacturer out there.
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 10:03 AM

I'm similar to economist, not limiting myself, just ranking them.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 12:27 PM

i tend to gravitate towards vehicles with a higher then normal ground clearance because thats whats practical for my lifestyle and where i live...

while i am a jeep and am general fan boyi have a heavy respect for land rover(even though the defender is a jeep knockoff) as well as the nissan frontier... toyota can go fuck themselves for all i care... seen way to many americans because of some asshole in a toyota hilux or late model sedan...

while i can appreciate low ground clearance cars for their performance, they have no appeal to me, and i have no desire to own something like that, as one day on the roads here and that low ground clearance import would be rattled apart due to the road conditions
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 12:29 PM

I'm with Hero. Euro>Mopar

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 12:41 PM

Definitely my favourite car right here! FIREBIRDS 4EVER





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