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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:44 PM

Import > Muscle

now a days muscle cars suck in my opinion... Mustangs are a chick car now that all i see driving mustangs and camero's the only muscle car i like are the legit classic ones and the new challenger!!

But im ports will always win in my opinion you still get awesome gas you can tune them to be awesome and fast as shit.

I had a Scion tc with a turbo pushin 380hp it was one of the most fun cars I ever drove! Now I have a turbo 350z pushing 450 give or say and i can just whoop everyone lol

I also have an old 68 mustang boss 302 that is being restored!! and I think ima buy an old trans am with the good old t-tops..
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 07:07 PM

German sports and exclusive cars is where it's at.
Though, there's a few ricecookers I would love to drive.

I'm increasingly falling in love with the Datsun 280z.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 07:11 PM

That was my other desired project.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 07:16 PM

A 280z? Those things are gorgeous.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 09:58 PM

In my opinion, in a staight line an American big block will walk all over just about any import, supercars excluded. Why do you think 3-second quarter mile dragsters use them? But as soon as there's any sort of turning involved, that's where muscle cars fall painfully short.

Imports can be insanely fun, and very affordable and customizable. In the end, I feel that muscle cars and imports cannot be compared, they have VERY different purposes in life. And most Z's made are good looking IMO.

And btu shortie, there's no such thing as a 1968 Boss 302, they didn't hit the dealerships until the 1969 model year.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 10:07 PM

Mazdas and Mopars for me.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 10:09 PM

Mazdas and Mopars for me.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 10:13 PM

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 10:20 PM

Import > Muscle

now a days muscle cars suck in my opinion... Mustangs are a chick car now that all i see driving mustangs and camero's the only muscle car i like are the legit classic ones and the new challenger!!

But im ports will always win in my opinion you still get awesome gas you can tune them to be awesome and fast as shit.

I had a Scion tc with a turbo pushin 380hp it was one of the most fun cars I ever drove! Now I have a turbo 350z pushing 450 give or say and i can just whoop everyone lol

I also have an old 68 mustang boss 302 that is being restored!! and I think ima buy an old trans am with the good old t-tops..


ummmm you have seen new US pony cars?

they are fucking good, and i am not a domestics kind of guy, but they are amazingly good cars.

i also doubt you have a turbo 350z, the VQ motor is terrible turboed unless you put serious work into it.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 10:34 PM

ummmm you have seen new US pony cars?

they are fucking good, and i am not a domestics kind of guy, but they are amazingly good cars.

i also doubt you have a turbo 350z, the VQ motor is terrible turboed unless you put serious work into it.


Agreed. I met a guy while I was working that had the 3rd 2012 Boss 302 to hit the dealers in the state of Ohio, and he was kind enough to show me the entire thing, top to bottom, just because I asked nicely. They are beautiful all around. It was one of these to be exact:

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And Challengers also handle quite well, they would do better if they weren't so chubby. Mopar still clings to the old ways. :D

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:25 PM

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:14 AM

In my opinion, in a staight line an American big block will walk all over just about any import, supercars excluded. Why do you think 3-second quarter mile dragsters use them? But as soon as there's any sort of turning involved, that's where muscle cars fall painfully short.


Depends on the "import".
Audi's V8s are pretty damn fast you know. Or one of Porsche's flat 6 Boxer engines.
Put the 911 GT3 against one of your big heavy big blocks, and you'd have yourself some serious competition.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:16 AM

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:33 AM


In my opinion, in a staight line an American big block will walk all over just about any import, supercars excluded. Why do you think 3-second quarter mile dragsters use them? But as soon as there's any sort of turning involved, that's where muscle cars fall painfully short.


Depends on the "import".
Audi's V8s are pretty damn fast you know. Or one of Porsche's flat 6 Boxer engines.
Put the 911 GT3 against one of your big heavy big blocks, and you'd have yourself some serious competition.

Exactly why I said supercars excluded, Porsches and even an Audi R8 with that Lambo V10 are lighter, and can put the power down much better than most muscle cars can. With the all-wheel drive and launch systems that modern supercars have, sometimes it's a wonder that those old big blocks can keep up. I love muscle cars, but I will acknowledge that they show their age in a big way.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:45 PM



In my opinion, in a staight line an American big block will walk all over just about any import, supercars excluded. Why do you think 3-second quarter mile dragsters use them? But as soon as there's any sort of turning involved, that's where muscle cars fall painfully short.


Depends on the "import".
Audi's V8s are pretty damn fast you know. Or one of Porsche's flat 6 Boxer engines.
Put the 911 GT3 against one of your big heavy big blocks, and you'd have yourself some serious competition.

Exactly why I said supercars excluded, Porsches and even an Audi R8 with that Lambo V10 are lighter, and can put the power down much better than most muscle cars can. With the all-wheel drive and launch systems that modern supercars have, sometimes it's a wonder that those old big blocks can keep up. I love muscle cars, but I will acknowledge that they show their age in a big way.


The GT3 isn't a supercar, it's a racing version of the 911. Neither is the Audi S5 or RS4, both of which have some serious power under the hood.
Lots of tuners have huge amounts of torque and horse power, it's just that these cars use the power better and can actually turn at high speeds, unlike American muscles.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:51 PM

Good point, it seems i throw around the term "supercar" too loosely. :)

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:23 PM

Good point, it seems i throw around the term "supercar" too loosely. :)

No worries, it is indeed an overused term. ;)
Supercars are those cars with engines that should have been used in planes fitted into really low and wide body.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:48 PM

<-- Test drove a newer Audi RS4 with a V8... Most fun I've ever had in a 4 door. :lol:

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:58 PM

<-- Test drove a newer Audi RS4 with a V8... Most fun I've ever had in a 4 door. :lol:


Damn! Those and the S5 are my two favorite looking Audis


Buy hey, my A4 looks pretty good too.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:43 PM

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My favorite Audi of all time, the Quattro (I hope that's right). I love the look of it, not sure why, but I'm dying to drive one of these.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:07 PM

Those older 80's group B rally cars were animals, around 600hp on under 3.0L. They were too fast for the terrain and caused fatalities, so they banned them.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:20 PM

The GT3 isn't a supercar, it's a racing version of the 911. Neither is the Audi S5 or RS4, both of which have some serious power under the hood.
Lots of tuners have huge amounts of torque and horse power, it's just that these cars use the power better and can actually turn at high speeds, unlike American muscles.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:30 PM

Those older 80's group B rally cars were animals, around 600hp on under 3.0L. They were too fast for the terrain and caused fatalities, so they banned them.
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Oh, the Lancia 037. The last rear-wheel drive car to win WRC. :wub:
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Then you've got the Delta, the most successful rally car ever built. I love Lancia rally cars.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:57 PM

Finally a fellow lancia enthusiast. We can't forget one of lancia's biggest achievements.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:00 PM

Oh yes, the Stratos. I'd say the best looking of the three.
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You can't post a picture of a rally car on pavement, silly.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:07 PM

sorry put those toys away and get a real rally car:

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:13 PM

If by toys you mean off-road beasts built by the winning-est car company in rally racing history, then no, I will not put my toys away. ;)

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:42 PM

Class B rally cars are absolute animals
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:53 PM

There is a video Called "too fast to race" it's all about 80's group B cars, I'd recommend watching it. Audi actually used that yellow quattro as alpine peak racers after group B was banned.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:13 PM

There is a video Called "too fast to race" it's all about 80's group B cars, I'd recommend watching it. Audi actually used that yellow quattro as alpine peak racers after group B was banned.


It's over an hour long, but here it is.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 03:45 AM

sorry put those toys away and get a real rally car:

*Smexy Audis jumping around*


That's more like it!

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:37 AM


Edited by cockerpunk, 22 January 2013 - 10:39 AM.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:18 AM

Awesome video, if only I could've been there to see it. I love the top comment of the video:

In a forest Michelle Mouton roared past in an explosion of gravel, dirt, dust and fumes her Audi screaming like some demented demon released from the depths of Hades. For what seemed an eternity we stood speechless, then the guy next to me said, "I think I'm in love".

Rally for me

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:49 PM

I have my 2002 Celica gts, oh god do I love that car, but its a auto! I don't rally like auto
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:53 PM

DTM brings back those old feels.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 05:29 AM

I have my 2002 Celica gts, oh god do I love that car, but its a auto! I don't rally like auto


I've driven auto once, it was the shittiest mcshit I've ever done. God that was terrible.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:39 PM

DTM brings back those old feels.

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Goddamn, now that was when M-B and BMW could make a car. That is, a car without an extra ton of safety and electronic crap added on.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:16 AM

Hey guys I got a question since ya'll seem to know a lot about cars. My dad is looking to buy a new car in the 8-9k range, used. What's the best bang for your buck at that price? It needs to be reliable since my parents dont want to spend a lot on repairs, and preferably in the sub 100k mile range and/or less than about 6 years old. I was looking at a 05/06 G35, but I'm just wanting your opinions! Oh and also it must be a sedan, no coupes...my parents dont want to have to insure me in a coupe and I want to be able to drive the car Posted Image

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:19 AM

Well, if you want reliabel you can always go for Audi. But when you need to fix it, forget about cheap parts.

A VW Passat?

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:27 AM

If you want a fun and fast car, maybe take a look at a Dodge Stealth TT or Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4. They can easily be had in that price range stock or upgraded.

They are the same car, but it uses a DOHC 24 valve V6 with all wheel drive, all wheel steer, twin turbos, and active aerodynamics on the mitsubishi and active exhaust on earlier models. They were produced by dodge from 1991-1996 and by mitsubishi from 1991-1999. They are fast, fun, relatively cheap because so many were made. Ealier models made 300hp, and later models made 330hp.

They are also considered a hatchback depending on where you live. The problem is working on them is a pain in the ass because they are so complex with all the electronics and all. The cool part is they were a 40k sports car new and you can get one for cheap now.

My two cents. I'm not the person to ask though, considering with 9k I would buy a muscle car in a heartbeat. Or a big, loud, powerful truck.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:13 AM

Well, if you want reliabel you can always go for Audi. But when you need to fix it, forget about cheap parts.

A VW Passat?

Yeah I found some Audi's but they said no. My dad had a Passat a few years ago and it gave them quite a bit of trouble so they're totally against them now. Posted Image

If you want a fun and fast car, maybe take a look at a Dodge Stealth TT or Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4. They can easily be had in that price range stock or upgraded.

They are the same car, but it uses a DOHC 24 valve V6 with all wheel drive, all wheel steer, twin turbos, and active aerodynamics on the mitsubishi and active exhaust on earlier models. They were produced by dodge from 1991-1996 and by mitsubishi from 1991-1999. They are fast, fun, relatively cheap because so many were made. Ealier models made 300hp, and later models made 330hp.

They are also considered a hatchback depending on where you live. The problem is working on them is a pain in the ass because they are so complex with all the electronics and all. The cool part is they were a 40k sports car new and you can get one for cheap now.

My two cents. I'm not the person to ask though, considering with 9k I would buy a muscle car in a heartbeat. Or a big, loud, powerful truck.

Cool cool, I'll look into them.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:54 PM


Well, if you want reliabel you can always go for Audi. But when you need to fix it, forget about cheap parts.

A VW Passat?

Yeah I found some Audi's but they said no. My dad had a Passat a few years ago and it gave them quite a bit of trouble so they're totally against them now. Posted Image


Everybody in my family have been driving VW's for years, They're pretty good. One thing with Audi's though, they have some supsension problems, nothing too big or serious, but it's a fucking bitch to fix at a dealership garage. ( My A4's got that problem right now)


On a different note, bought some stuff my my A4 today, and cleaned up the interior.(Some hubcaps to cover up those hideous steelies and some floor mats)
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:41 PM

I have been a car truck and bike nut just as long as a paintball fanatic. I have owned something like 10 cars and trucks and 6 motorcycles and I'm 29 years old. Every single one of them be it a project or daily driver have made it to the road and been driven.

Out of them all I have had three that I miss the most. A 1994 Ford F250 XLT 2wd, with the very rare (only made for 93 and 94 and there were other options both years in diesel) 7.3L V8 IDI Turbo Diesel under the hood. A 1986 VW Gold Diesel. And a 2008 Yamaha V-Star 1100 classic.

The F250 I bought as a tired old truck a horse guy used to pull a fifth wheel trailer around with until he replaced it with a newer rig. I took it and slowly built it back to like new. I got under the hood fiddled with the injection pump and turbo waste gate made up my own cold air intake and had a complete custom exhaust from the turbo back made up to eliminate fords restricted down pipe (the literally flattened out a pipe section to lower the performance of the engine below the specs of the power stroke that was replacing this engine the following year). I stock trim it pumped out a respectable for the time 190hp and 400lbs/tq. After all said and done I'd estimate conservatively 250hp and 550lbs/tq. It was a TON of fun to drive and it was shocking quick for such a if truck. 0-60 was done in mid 7 sec range. It would twist up on launch unlike anything I have driven since and was boat loads of fun IF you could get it to hook up. The problem was the trans just could not take the power and literally self destructed. I had a performance rebuild done up and threw it in the truck. Shortly later my new tq converter literally shattered on launch. So that was replaced with a lower stall converted taken from a bus. Once that was sorted and the drive train could hold togeather I had cooling issues sorted by a bigger rad after the second one blew and a NEW factory water pump after the rebuilt one I put in a few months prior puked. ALL IN ALL I never intended to let this truck go, it was my pride and joy I learnt so much building that truck and had so much fun. But when I bought my house $$$$$$ was hard to come by and it was apparent I needed fewer toys and faced with a decision between the truck or my motorcycle I decided the bike was going to be more practical.

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The 86 VW Golf was just a efficient beater car I purchased to get around in when I was working on the F250. I bought it for $1500 with a plethora of spare parts including a second engine and trans. I sold most the spares for nearly my purchase price a drove the car for three years. I never needed to do anything to the car but replace a parking brake cable and an exhaust hanger. I'm a diesel mechanic for a living so I even kept a Jerry Can beside my tool box and when ever I had to drain some fuel or replace a fuel filter I'd dump the fuel into my Jerry can and then in a month pour it into my little VW. So I barely ever needed to pay to fuel the car. I had that car for three years. I beat the hell out of it jumped it once ( that's what snapped the exhaust hanger) drove it every were loaded it down and just Fell in LOVE with the little car. It was SLOW with only 52hp and 77lbs of tq but it did not matter it was fun and engaging to drive (no power anything including steering). When a wheel bearing failed I was going to replace it but decided Instead to just get a new VW diesel as the golf had 387,000kms now had the beginning signs of rust and just figured I could use some something nice. Got A 2004 Jetta TDI. BIGGEST MISTAKE EVER. The Jetta proved problematic and boaring it rattled since day one and left me stranded more than once. About the only thing I liked about the 04 was its phenomenal fuel economy with 1149kms to 47l of fuel as my best.

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AND lastly my loved 2008 YAMAHA V-STAR 1100 CLASSIC. I got this to slow myself down I figured a 50 HP big cruiser was what I needed. It was BIG and comfy and great to tour on. But eventually the bug bit me and I started to piece together what I wanted to do to that 1.1 lite V-twin to really let roar. 2 into 1 exhaust, Eliminated the emission controls, pod filters right on the carbs, raised rev limiter. After all said and done i could not get the thing to perform no matter what it was jetted. Being new at tinkering with carbs I decided it best to take it to a shop and see if they could sort it. They threw there hands in the air said to revert to stock and leave it. I said screw that and called a semi local drag bike shop with a Dyno. Asked if I could come down put the bike on the Dyno and see if he could help me sort out my jetting issue I'd pay for what ever he regularly charged but wanted to be there to learn. He welcomed it and we threw the bike on. Turns out bike was running lean there simply was just too much air flow. So I went to the local bike shop ordered up the biggest jet kit I could. Installed that re dynoed and bike was still too lean. Guy at shop says he will custom order me the jets from mikuni in Japan be back in a couple weeks. So do that and the bike just PUURRRRRSSSSS. Bike now pumping 72hp and 124lbs/tq to the rear wheel. The bike is a BEAST. It was a tire shredding animal and was a hoot. 1st and 2nd could produce wheel spin from rolling. It had a tops speed still of only 190km/hr but that was purely due to gearing as it simply did not have any more revs. Best part was the guy at the Dyno only charged me for the one Dyno run and the cost of the jets from Japan. I loved the bike was so happy and never planned to let it go. It was a bike that scared me every time I rode it and that was a GREAT thing. But my insurance company just up and decided to drop me for no apparent reasons saying it was just too big a bike for them to insure now (past two years were fine). I shopped around but every one wanted $3000 a year to insure the bike. I had no accidents no speeding tickets perfect clean record but it did not matter so I sold it to get a smaller bike again that I could afford to insure my current bike. I LOVE my bike now but and Irronically it has a much faster top speed and is far more sporting yet my insurance is a third the price of my past bike. But still I miss the old beast as this bike just lacks that savage ness and sole I miss from the old bike.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:24 PM

Woah! Walls of text. Gotta read them later. But yes, an old Golf is one tough little car. There's a reason they're popular still you know. ;)

Anyways, proper pictures with my new "rims".

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:49 AM

Bmw died when they started making suv's and the stupid z cars


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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:57 PM

If BMW could only make something as good as this:
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:05 PM

Even if they do, I'm not sure if I could bring myself to like BMW. There's just something about them that I don't like, maybe the fact that all of their cars kinda look the same, only a few of them are worth buying, and even then there are better cars out there.




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