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Posted 10 December 2013 - 06:17 AM

Yep, the 40/60 rear-bias on my Audi makes the thing really stable at high speeds trough the snow.

I have yet to test out a 50/50 setup like Subaru though, I  would expect it to be less tail-happy.



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Posted 10 December 2013 - 07:41 AM

All Wheel Drive CAN be made to handle phenomenally and at higher power outputs it can be said they are much more controllable/easier to manage.  BUT from some one who has driven everything from hot hatches to high end sports cars to super bikes and big rigs, I must say that for pure driving pleasure RWD is my preference. 

 

Most all AWD platforms have a tendency for understeer when driven at or near the limit.  And although with technology and  technique this can be limited it simply does not lend itself to pure uninterrupted FUN.

 

I have done donuts, sliding around dirt roads and  messing about on snowy roads and large lots in 2wd 4wd AWD and hell even 1WD.  4wd/awd is a MUCH MUCH TIGHTER donut (with the exception of motorcycles) but it was also kinda boring took no skill to continue around in the donut.  While with rear drive to keep going not spin and stop requires constant Throttle and steering inputs.   Drifting again can be done quicker with AWD but quicker does NOT necessarily equal more FUN.  

 

So basically if the goal is a better all out competitive car on a loose surface or at a very high end car spec AWD may be the best option.  BUT if pure fun is all your after FEW in the automotive world will argue that RWD is the way to go.  

 

Also from being a mechanic RWD is also FAR less complex, Easier/cheaper to work on/maintain and will be lighter with less drivetrain loss of power to the wheels.  


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 05:59 PM

On dry ground I'd take RWD myself. But for winter driving and gravel AWD, preferably 40/60 Quattro is my thing.



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Posted 10 December 2013 - 07:40 PM

As a person who has tried both and someone who personally know people who have done a lot of both.
AWD is much faster and much, much more controlable.

 

the more we make street cars like race cars, the less fun driving will be

-Dario Franchitti

his point is that by rasing the tractive limits of your car, you might be going faster, but the fun of driving is reaching and surpassing the limits of the car, and using your driving skill to keep safe and out of trouble. when you raise the limits of your car, you raise the speeds and forces that put your car on the edge, and thus raise the speed by which you have fun driving that car.

Dario is also quoted as having said race cars are not much fun to drive, once you get used to the speed. because when the goal is lap times, at the expense of driving pleasure, then you will nessiarly build a machine that is not terribly fun to drive.

RWD for life.

 

slower? perhaps under some conditions. more fun? ALWAYS.


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 10:47 PM

I actually agree, I've driven a car from every platform but MR, and I have to say FR does seem to feel "right" AWD seems to pull, and let's be honest FF sucks.


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Posted 11 December 2013 - 12:35 AM

Rwd requires chains for where i live even if you have 4 snow tires. Screw only being able to do 20mph getting to work. Go more than 20 with chains your car will get very upset and the cops flip a tit.

On subaru being 50/50 they technicly are not but its damn close. Quatro is a better system if you can afford it but for just making it up a pass or through a canyon subaru dose the job. You can push the quatro better at speed slightly but both systems get the job done. I pick subaru over quatro only cause i can get a running subaru for 500usd over a quatro system which i would pay a mininum of 2500usd
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 12:51 AM

You subi guys always make me jealous. If I didn't play paintball I'd have one by now :P


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Posted 11 December 2013 - 05:14 AM

 

As a person who has tried both and someone who personally know people who have done a lot of both.
AWD is much faster and much, much more controlable.

 

the more we make street cars like race cars, the less fun driving will be

-Dario Franchitti

his point is that by rasing the tractive limits of your car, you might be going faster, but the fun of driving is reaching and surpassing the limits of the car, and using your driving skill to keep safe and out of trouble. when you raise the limits of your car, you raise the speeds and forces that put your car on the edge, and thus raise the speed by which you have fun driving that car.

Dario is also quoted as having said race cars are not much fun to drive, once you get used to the speed. because when the goal is lap times, at the expense of driving pleasure, then you will nessiarly build a machine that is not terribly fun to drive.

RWD for life.

 

slower? perhaps under some conditions. more fun? ALWAYS.

 

 

RWD is always more fun? That's bullshit and you know it, it comes down to preference. Some people even prefer FWD.
I prefer AWD with a rear wheel bias on loose, snowy ground as it's tailhappy, fast and stable. Unlike RWD wich is just tailhappy.(Compared to AWD)
That being said, I wouldn't mind drivng a RWD car right now, not at all. It's wicked fun, I just prefer my Audi all around.

 

 

 

And Nick, a Quattro driven car is cheaper than a Subaru with a decent engine here.
You could get an Audi S4 for cheaper than an Impreza with more than 120hp.


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Posted 11 December 2013 - 11:01 AM

 

 

As a person who has tried both and someone who personally know people who have done a lot of both.
AWD is much faster and much, much more controlable.

 

the more we make street cars like race cars, the less fun driving will be

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his point is that by rasing the tractive limits of your car, you might be going faster, but the fun of driving is reaching and surpassing the limits of the car, and using your driving skill to keep safe and out of trouble. when you raise the limits of your car, you raise the speeds and forces that put your car on the edge, and thus raise the speed by which you have fun driving that car.

Dario is also quoted as having said race cars are not much fun to drive, once you get used to the speed. because when the goal is lap times, at the expense of driving pleasure, then you will nessiarly build a machine that is not terribly fun to drive.

RWD for life.

 

slower? perhaps under some conditions. more fun? ALWAYS.

 

 

RWD is always more fun? That's bullshit and you know it, it comes down to preference. Some people even prefer FWD.
I prefer AWD with a rear wheel bias on loose, snowy ground as it's tailhappy, fast and stable. Unlike RWD wich is just tailhappy.(Compared to AWD)
That being said, I wouldn't mind drivng a RWD car right now, not at all. It's wicked fun, I just prefer my Audi all around.

 

 

 

And Nick, a Quattro driven car is cheaper than a Subaru with a decent engine here.
You could get an Audi S4 for cheaper than an Impreza with more than 120hp.

 

 

its ok, when you become a man then you can handle RWD in slippery conditions ;)


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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:14 PM

weak argument dude. Hit me right in the gills


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Posted 11 December 2013 - 06:16 PM

Who says I can't handle it? ;)
But I can GUARANTEE you that you'll get stuck in uphill streets where a Quattro just slides upwards. Your skill won't even matter, you'll be spinning where I won't.

 

 

 

Also, QUATTTRRRROOOOOOOOO!!!!


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 06:04 PM

I hate the fact that my truck is about half white from all the salt that gets dumped on the roads.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:17 PM

I'm so glad I don't live near snow and don't have to deal with road salt. My car is too pretty to have it get rusty. It's lived in this area since the day it was bought. It was bought and then sold to the same dealership, the very dealership that I bought it from. And apparently it was owned by a little old lady who lived in the same house the 6 years she had the car. Kind of cool that it's been here and nowhere else. No rust to worry about.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:05 PM

The snow is all gone here again. I'm kind of sad about it, but I'll live. I't actually hot outside again. 10 degrees. O.o



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:52 AM

still snow....and still in the negatives >: )


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:27 AM

still snow....and still in the negatives >: )

Still snow still fucking cold


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 05:58 PM

The Audi got some new suspension parts and some new oil today.

I only have to get these coilovers registered now and it's ready for another EU-controll.



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 07:40 PM

seriously thinking about picking up an 86 fiero gt with a seized engine for 600, and swapping it with a 3800 sc out of a buick 


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Posted 15 December 2013 - 12:25 AM

I'm hopefully getting 4 new all seasons soon. My tread is too low for winter. 


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Posted 15 December 2013 - 03:03 AM

You really should, all season isn't extremely effective when new!


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Posted 15 December 2013 - 06:32 PM

The Audi got some serios detailing work done today. It's shiny as heck.



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Posted 15 December 2013 - 09:07 PM

I've been throwing my car around in the snow as of late, but I think I damaged the exhaust due to low clearance. Lol

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 08:33 AM

Been there done that. 



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Posted 16 December 2013 - 11:18 PM

I'm hopefully getting 4 new all seasons soon. My tread is too low for winter. 

I imagine ohio snow is really moist like new england snow. All seasons don't do jack shit in that kind of snow. If you can get 4 snows and you can go up anything and you can actually turn without having to throw your vehical into a drift.

 

I'm also having exaust problems. The cat is clogged and the resonator pipe blew open after I welded it shut, and the gaskets manifold back all need to be replaced.


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Posted 16 December 2013 - 11:37 PM

I plan on just getting 4 all seasons so I don't have to buy new tires for when there is no snow.


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 12:42 PM

I have two sets of rims. One 16" set with winter tires and a 18" set with summer tires.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 02:34 PM

god damn it, just when you think your going to get your credit card paid off ...

some drunk hit the MR2 and drove off without info this weekend. new bumper cover and tail light at least .... fuckin A man.


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 03:21 PM

Wow that is fucking bullshit. Did you see the car that hit the MR2?



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 03:23 PM

no, but it was parked on a side street by some bars ... and its pretty obvious what happened.


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 05:36 PM

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 06:05 PM

I don't think that would help.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 08:44 PM

I hate people who do hit and runs. My truck has a nice dent in the side because of it.


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 08:52 PM

I don't think that would help.

yeah it wouldnt.


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 11:04 PM

course it would, a lot of dash cams have a motion sensor feature which turns on when there's something around it, if the guy hit you in the rear chances are he was going past your car and you could've caught his plate


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 09:40 PM

Chances are it happened quick though. I don't think a dash cam can turn on and record quick enough to catch a license plate.


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 11:51 PM

I honestly think it would turn on fast enough to catch someone who's dumb enough to rear end a parked car haha. Plus, you have a higher chance of catching them with a dash cam, then with nothing right?


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:14 AM

He should ask the businesses around him if they have security cams that might have seen something.


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Posted 21 December 2013 - 12:04 PM

Something good came up. I might get myself a new car very soon. I don't even have to sell my A4 first.

The question is, Audi S2 or Porsche 968? :P



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Posted 02 January 2014 - 12:39 PM

Anyone in here who has experience buying Recaro seats?



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Posted 02 January 2014 - 01:41 PM

Anyone in here who has experience buying Recaro seats?

Yes, I've put them into a few vehicles. Both my own, and for friends. 



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Posted 02 January 2014 - 06:24 PM

I'm debating on getting some Recaro seats if I get a Porsche 951. Preferably leather so they match the back seats.



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Posted 02 January 2014 - 07:09 PM

i would just look for the sports seats, they are hugly bolstered and aftermarket seats will cut down on your resale unless you are making a track rat.

also, pretty sure both the stock "comfort" seats, and the sports seats were made by recaro.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 06:44 AM

Sure the stock seats are nice but they're really heavy with the electronic adjustment and heating.
And I'm not planning on getting rid of the seats, I'll keep those in storage and just swap them over if I'm selling the car.

These are the seats in the actual car I'm looking at:
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I'm also gonna get GTS headlights for it. Why? Because they're lighter, more aerodynamic and looks badass.
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Posted 03 January 2014 - 09:17 AM

Hey, Gordon. How much trouble is it fixing you 951 if something goes wrong, or service it?

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 09:51 AM

No love for the 928?! It's the only front engine porsche I like... But of course I'd rather have any 911, but it's so hard to find an old one in good condition that isn't expensive as fuck.



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 10:26 AM

I don't like the looks too much and they're wicked unreliable and really, really expensive to fix. I'd much rather have a 951, 944S2 or 968.



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:39 PM

I love the 928 but any 928 I could afford screams "It's a trap!"


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:44 PM

I think any 928 regardless of price screams that. From what I hear that V8 isn't exactly good for anything but performance.


For some reason, a '92 968 is almost double the price to insure than a 944 Turbo S.
That makes exactly no sense, it's newer, safer and it has 10 less horsepower. Not to mention they are a lot rarer and have a really, really good statistic for accidents. They're even the same price, to buy.



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 10:28 PM

I might be able to get my hands on my uncle's old bug, and if I can I'd turn it into a Baja bug. Unfortunately it needs a new engine, and likely a new transaxle, and it'll need a new interior. Hopefully I can get parts cheap, and it gives me the chance to redo the interior how I want.




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