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Posted 01 February 2013 - 04:48 AM

http://www.j4paintball.com/

J4 will be releasing their first Stacked Tube Spool at PB Extravaganza at the end of this month...

sounds like it will have some neat features...

Barrel Threads:
Autococker 'Quick' threaded

Feedneck type:
Solid Mount to KEE 'Sniper' specs, with cam lock tightener

Bolt style:
Standard stacked tube pull pin style, with an Exalt bolt tip. This places the ball perfect in the stack for loading purposes, and works really well with our detent system

Ball detent:
We have a specific to J4 ball detent that is soft and durable while being very low profile. It is a dual detent style.

Toolless Breakdown:
For the spool and bolt, yes. To take off the grips you still need an allen wrench, but every contact point that will need oil, and every movement o-ring you can access in a few seconds.

Hoseless gun:
Yes. Bottom mount ASA reg with cam on/off.

Can I put on an upgraded reg:
Not at this time. The reg recharges for easy 20+bps cycling, and looks good on there, so it isn't as important as it used to be.

Firing Modes:
We are finalizing that, but Semi, PSP, NPPL, Ramping and a few others will be standard.

Dwell Adjustment:
This marker is Auto-timed, partially because the valve design is self-controlling, mechanically. A long dwell doesn't produce any more velocity (fps) then a short one. The dwell is adjusted with a Hall Effect sensor that notes the position of the bolt and times the marker accordingly, only to make sure the cycle has been completed before returning the bolt.

What adjustments will there be then:
There will be 3 settings for bolt pressure, including one being a 'Soldier On' setting that allows the marker to shoot in all conditions; freezing cold, gooped with paint, full of rain. Due to the internals, there is no effect on velocity by having a longer dwell, so in conjunction with the HE sensor there will not be a FSDO issue. This is not a finicky system, but very robust and capable. Set to 'Soldier On' you should be able to shoot through any bad paint, nasty back of the field situation in any weather and still get a ball out with enough velocity to do some damage. Set to 'Delicate' the gun should stop on most paintballs, and 'Normal' should set you up for regular everyday play.

What type of eyes:
Break beam, with a removable second board so you can change out with a color you might prefer.

Trigger type/style:
Right now a blade type trigger is being included. We will finalize a layout by the time we ship, but at the moment it could be interchangeable with a LUXE or similar.

The trigger Switch:
We have a leaf switch on the board

Battery:
Initially on the standard version we will have an LED board and 9V, the upper level design will have an OLED with a Li-po battery, with nearly 100,000 shots possible. All parts will be upgradable between the two platforms.

Operating pressure:
125-150psi, though it can be ran higher for extreme ROF – using a de-volumizer in the system. The solenoid is good for 200+psi

How many shots on [insert tank here]:
Right now we are working on tweaking the internals a bit, but 1600-1800 on a standard 68/4500 with a not quite full fill is easy, with the possibility of it being higher with a few adjustments, and actually trying to run a tighter bore barrel. That is average, loose barrel, average paint, consistent performance.

How loud is it:
It is actually quite quiet from our testing, 2 decibels lower than comparable spools with the same barrel, and even more so than most poppets.


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and before anyone starts the whole ___ had sex with ___ and this is the result... J4PB already claimed it was the love child of an Ego and Quest...

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 04:51 AM

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 05:49 AM

Interesting. The Soldier on mode and auto dwell are pretty cool. The efficiency is nice for a spool. Tool-less breakdown is a nice feature. It doesn't look like a spool though. I think that's because The back end looks like an Ego but the front looks like a Luxe lol.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 05:57 AM

it doesnt look like a conventional spool because a conventional spool is an inline design, this is stacked tube... looks to me a ram driven spool, which is a cool concept in my eyes
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 05:59 AM

a traditional spool is inline... this is a stacked tube spool... i would call it a ram driven spool, which is what i have also seen people call it on PBn... i think its a cool design
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 07:31 AM

kinda looks like an impulse to me.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:24 AM

Oh look, it's the macroless Creed! Woot!

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:45 AM

Pretty interesting settings and features. I just pray to god it'll be mid end so I can afford it.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:17 AM

its not a creed... the creed, as i understand it, is a poppet... this is a stacked tube spool... it may look similar, as there is only so much a company can do milling wise with a stacked tube... but this looks to be completely different internally...
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:29 AM

This is really cool, do we have estimated prices?

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:32 AM

I am willing to bet on 1000+

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:39 AM

a price wont be released till after PBExtravaganza from what i've seen...
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:44 AM

Stacked tube Spool? I like the idea, very different.

And I've never heard of this company before, anybody know anything about them?

And does it say I can put my 09 Impy trigger in it? I definitely like that. And what are cocker "quick threads"? My guess is maybe shorter thrads for quick removal like Ion threads? Very cool.

Never mind, non-standard threads are silly (I hope you're watching GoG).

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:45 AM

Definitely going to check this out. A stacked tube poppet/spool that is quiet and efficient may be my dream gun. If it is 1000+ though its going to be hard to justify owning one along with my Geo 3.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:53 AM

they said on PBn that there willbe different models at different price ranges with different included features... expect the hing end to be priced between 1000 and 1500....
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:25 AM

After reading through all of the specs and details I love the concept of it. It definatly looks great on paper and if it performs half as nice as I think it will then I'm all for it.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:29 AM

Never mind..

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:57 AM

Finally a legit spoopit. Looks kinda like the Creed though.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:03 PM

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There is a bit of a resemblance, but that's only external. I really want to get one of these in my hands.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:34 PM

More interesting stuff on their FB page, too lazy to post link from phone. :P

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 01:49 PM

All my want, provided it can pull 9 pods and is decently quiet
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 03:59 PM

Very interesting. The concept is awesome.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 04:19 PM

Hall effect sensor on an exalt bolt to determine and auto-correct dwell?? Ladies and gentlemen we have our first technology driven breakthrough in 3 years!

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 07:21 PM

Hall effect sensor on an exalt bolt to determine and auto-correct dwell?? Ladies and gentlemen we have our first technology driven breakthrough in 3 years!

And its stacked tube, but a spool valve.

I really hope this marker lives up to its potential. Maybe in 10 years we'll look back at it as the Bob Long Defiant of its day; a true innovation and trendsetter.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 07:28 PM

wonder wat its going to cost

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:32 PM

Loving all of the specs. Def gonna pick one up at one point, the one with the OLED of course.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:44 PM

I actually got to shoot the 5th prototype of this...unbelievably smooth. And almost smart parts sp-1 quiet.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:02 PM

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:05 PM

$600 does not seem like a bad price.
Will be looking forward to picking one up when it goes used $300, LOL.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:09 PM

Welcome to the forums. :)

Any pictures of the actual gun, or is that all still hush hush for now?

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:10 PM

At the moment, official MSRP is under $2000. Still. :)

Due to compromises in quality, we decided to machine it differently, and priced it accordingly.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:16 PM

We are planning on a staged release. Some more teasers this week, the logos, some more T-shirts, and then the gun bits. With the gun teardown and shooting videos (with side by side comparisons) the last week before PBE. MSRP will be released then. We are still tacking on some of the costs and working on options.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:23 PM

I'm pretty excited for this marker, I have a good bit of cash sitting in my paypal that I was going to put towards a 2013 demon. I think I'll hold off until extravaganza before I make my final decision though, if the LED (or even the oled) model is in the price range it may be a a solid choice.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:23 PM

Curious to see the packaging. Luxe/PE quality with all of the fancy extras, or BL with just the bare minimum.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:00 PM

its about damn time someone made a stacked spoolie.

I've been wondering why no one has thought of one of these.

J4 must have a hell of design staff and Engineers.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:01 PM

The stacked tube spool patent has been around since practically the dawn of paintball, it's just that nobody's capitalized on it so far.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:07 PM

I personally like the fact that this can range from mid to high end price based on what features the buyer wants, while still having the same shooting platform. Kinda like a car, very cool. I will be following this closely.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:09 PM

interesting design. Im guessing the use of a hall sensor will determine when to trigger the return of the "ram" instead of a dwell adjustment? Very curious to see the finished product.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:46 AM

Quick question for anyone at J4 who is listening. If I am correct, the gun has a low pressure regulator to actuate the lower tube of the valve as well as an HPR? or just an HPR? Just wondering
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 04:45 AM

Now I like this idea, I really like this idea. Hoefully it will live up to the expectations.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:17 AM

Quick question for anyone at J4 who is listening. If I am correct, the gun has a low pressure regulator to actuate the lower tube of the valve as well as an HPR? or just an HPR? Just wondering


No, there is no LPR. The HPR is in the asa.

Hence, like the LUXE and not the Creed.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 12:23 PM

I'm pretty excited about this marker. It's something "new" and I haven't really seen something like this in paintball for along time.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 01:27 PM

I might be one of the first to pick one of these up!!!

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 03:10 PM

now that is cool

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:09 PM

Looks interesting, I actually prefer stacked tube guns

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:43 PM

Quick question for anyone at J4 who is listening. If I am correct, the gun has a low pressure regulator to actuate the lower tube of the valve as well as an HPR? or just an HPR? Just wondering


No, there is no LPR. The HPR is in the asa.

Hence, like the LUXE and not the Creed.

Will the HPR be user serviceable or will it be like the axe/mini reg that you're supposed to send in to get it serviced?

(Please make it user serviceable)

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:25 AM

this concept seems oddly familiar....
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:30 AM

I might be dating myself, but there was a time when, if you had an issue with a 'cocker's front pneumatics, you were suppose to send it in. I was in Alaska at the time, and thought that was not a gun to buy just for that reason. I want people to be able to tear down the whole gun, and this is designed to be simple. How simple? I jokingly call the drivetrain:

"Stacked Tube Utilizing Piston Isometric Dynamics"

HPR will be serviceable. Every part will be.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:39 AM

I might be dating myself, but there was a time when, if you had an issue with a 'cocker's front pneumatics, you were suppose to send it in. I was in Alaska at the time, and thought that was not a gun to buy just for that reason. I want people to be able to tear down the whole gun, and this is designed to be simple. How simple? I jokingly call the drivetrain:

"Stacked Tube Utilizing Piston Isometric Dynamics"

HPR will be serviceable. Every part will be.

That is good to know. I can't wait to see more about this.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:47 AM

Looks promising. Hopefully the trigger doesn't feel anything a creed lol. (It just looks like a creed with no lpr)




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