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#1 karolinen

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:22 AM

Found this http://www.scarabarm...bsite/index.php dont know if this is a new have not seen eny thred about em looks promising
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it looks nice have heard that its Fs ready found there facebook here...https://www.facebook.com/scarabarms. ithink it look fantastic.

Fond more pic of there Fs rounds ifound it on the swedish forum.
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1. Top right is a first strike the protruding nipple does cause some problems however we went around that with certain features in the TGR2 components.

2. This is the Scarab Round Gen 1 design and I don't wanna disappoint u but we will not be releasing this as we mentioned in our earlier post, however we will be releasing the Scarab Round Gen2 in 2013. Although we believe that the gen1 has better trajectory properties compared to the FS we are looking for much more hence the Gen2.

3. The serrations do make the round fragment at lower velocities.

4. The rifling is different

5. Pricing will be announced as soon as gen2 is ready but I assure you we will price it so that it's affordable as much as our cost allows us too we want as many players to get into Milsim and the last thing we wanna do is make it financially impossible for players to purchase regularly.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:17 PM

Looks pretty bad ass. Like how they are changing the FS rounds up a bit.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:43 PM

Only issue with these is they don't have a velocity adjuster...you have to swap out the springs to get different velocities.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:35 PM

That's sounds like a pain. Old guns were adjusted that way right.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:39 PM

Supposedly its a super simple swap, and from what I've heard from other mag-fed'ers its nice to set it and not have to putz with it, but I am still not convinced.

Also supposedly they are releasing an external velocity adjuster sometime in the future...or something. That could be BS for all I know.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:20 PM


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:00 PM

Would be cool if they put the velocity adjuster where the gas block is.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:21 AM

If you are going to be playing woodsball it may be hard to hit your targets in 2-3 shots, you may run out of ammo quick. I think this is great that they made it come with the extra mags but it would be nice to have a feed neck on the side so you could fit an elbow to it for a hopper. The feed neck wouldnt get in the way of the rail too. Overall, it still looks great though (:
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:37 AM

Hopper adapters on magfed guns is blasphemy!!!

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:47 AM

If you are going to be playing woodsball it may be hard to hit your targets in 2-3 shots, you may run out of ammo quick. I think this is great that they made it come with the extra mags but it would be nice to have a feed neck on the side so you could fit an elbow to it for a hopper. The feed neck wouldnt get in the way of the rail too. Overall, it still looks great though (:

The whole point of buying a mag fed marker is to use it mag fed. If you want a hopper just buy any electro out there.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 12:00 PM

If you are going to be playing woodsball it may be hard to hit your targets in 2-3 shots, you may run out of ammo quick. I think this is great that they made it come with the extra mags but it would be nice to have a feed neck on the side so you could fit an elbow to it for a hopper. The feed neck wouldnt get in the way of the rail too. Overall, it still looks great though (:


The point of mag fed is to play with Magazines.
If you wanted an offset feedneck on a heavy gun just use a tippmann.

First strike ready is interesting.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 12:35 PM

As one can see, we mag-fed'ers are a rather stingy bunch when it comes to the use of such things as "loaders" lol

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 01:21 PM

Why would you move the mag release
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 11:46 PM

That's a tough market with the DAM around.

Best of luck to you! Definitely looks cool.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 12:13 AM

DAM doesn't really count as a "mag fed" marker in most traditionalists opinion. That is not saying it doesn't have a Mag-Fed function, and its definitely a very cool marker, but traditionally a Mag Fed marker can't swap from mags to hopper without some extensive swapping of a feedneck and such.

What do you mean they moved the mag-release? it's right there like every other AR clone out there!

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 03:37 AM

Its up higher then on a AR it should be right in front of the trigger guard normally you can hit it with your trigger finger
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:28 AM

Only issue with these is they don't have a velocity adjuster...you have to swap out the springs to get different velocities.


Goin' back to the early 90's it would seem lol.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:09 PM

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:11 PM

I'm just excited for their finned rounds to come to market, then we can have some competition against FS rounds.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:34 PM

Don't understand these new FS's.

They're plastic?

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 04:52 PM

thats the most badass looking milsim marker i've seen. looks wise

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 08:57 PM

I like how the magazine well blends into the gun better. Awesome that a bundle with Eight mags is around $650.IMO it beats rap4 because of their ridiculous pricing. If its as durable as a MILSIG,we've got a real winner.
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 10:26 PM

Hopefully they're fs rounds are actually affordable and will work in my dam and aren't just made to fit they're mags. Where can I get info on they're fs rounds?
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 10:29 PM

They're going to be the same profile as current FS rounds, that would be dumb to limit themselves to only their guns, when they could have the whole FS shooting market available.

Start here and read into the thread some more http://www.mcarterbr...tml#post2473354

For me, the biggest thing I like is the lack of a "nipple" on the front, and a more consistent looking skirt.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 10:31 PM

They might have done that to try and sell more of there guns. Isn't that why Tiberius came out with the fs in the first place.
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 10:41 PM

FS rounds are a "civilian" recreational version of the rounds that the FN303 shoots, which was the gun developed by Tom Kaye for FN, IIRC. Tiberius took advantage of a situation, and had the rounds brought to market, essentially. They developed their own guns to take advantage later on, since the T8 and T9 were not originally developed for FS use.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:02 AM

Don't understand these new FS's.

They're plastic?


ALL first strike rounds have been plastic.

I imagine the Scarab version, if it's ever released, will be plastic as well.
The ones pictured above are prototypes as they work out shell shape, manufacturing technique, and rifling angle.



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:59 PM

Just for clarity: First Strike Rounds are a specialized form of polystyrene designed to handle the impact/shock of firing, feeding, etc but, break on impact. This manufacturing process is patented and held by Perfect Circle Paintball and they are the sole manufacturers of FN303 rounds and, FS rounds.

I'm not sure what the point of those prototypes are. If they wanted to make projectiles to compare to their own in-house design, they could've simply bought some First Strike rounds. If they try to use the designs pictured, they are clearly infringing on patents held by Perfect Circle Paintball:

First, the patent pending for the First Strike Round
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Key phrases:
"a shell comprising a generally hemispherical member in a first portion of the projectile, a sidewall member in a second portion of the projectile, and a cross member therebetween" In other words, nose, skirt, and equatorial wall.

"a fill located within the closed cavity of the generally hemispherical member, the fill having a marking component, and the fill having a density of greater than 10 lb/gallon." Read that: Payload up front, and dense enough to put the center of gravity forward of the center of pressure.

"further comprising a plurality of protrusions extending from the outer surface of the sidewall member." Read: fins

"wherein the sidewall member has a frustoconical shape with a larger outside diameter at the first end of the sidewall member than at the second end of the sidewall member." In other words, the skirt is tapered towards the rear so that the fins are approximately the same width as the equator.

The only thing I didn't really see described in this particular patent application is the angle of the fins (in the FN303 rounds, it's described as .0708 revolution per inch of fin length).

Competition could be a good thing but, I would hope that it's not attained by ripping off the designs.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:48 AM

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It looks like you take whatever paint you want to use and insert it into a rubber-ish set of fins. Posted on Scarab Arms Facebook page.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:05 PM

That looks cool as hell but I.can certainly see that being even more costly than fs. I know those rubber fins are reusable but who has the time to look through the woods for those little fins. Maybe if they were a bright a color like orange or neon colors those would just be an expensive sacrifice to the paintball gods.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 01:43 PM

Crossposted from MCB:

I don't get it. What's the point? By rough calculations, not accounting for wall thickness, a first strike round has half the payload of a normal paintball and that should be more than the payload of a .50 round.

Then, I suspect that those 'sabots' (for lack of a better term) will actually inhibit the paint spread, if they remain attached to the ball. This is because when a round hits flesh (or cloth covered flesh), the round sinks in a bit before fracturing and, the shell and the impact surface may completely enclose the round.

Maybe this isn't meant for regular paintball but, pure mil-sim (in the canadian sense of the term describing a game format).

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 01:47 PM

I wonder how heavy those rubber sabots are? Maybe they're for training purposes. Hard to imaging them being useful in a recreational setting.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 01:59 PM

I wonder how heavy those rubber sabots are? Maybe they're for training purposes. Hard to imaging them being useful in a recreational setting.


I dunno but, they'd want to keep them as light as possible to keep the center of gravity as far forward as possible (this is the reason for the thicker fill of the FS rounds).

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:15 PM

I believe they said $25 dollars for 100 rounds. In fact i'm sure of it
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:23 PM

Well in that case they're cheaper then fs rounds.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:08 AM

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clears up a few things. I also read somewhere (im trying to find it again) the fin section is made of a pressed foam type material that breaks up on impact.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:13 AM

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152616013045422&set=vb.285408058211614&type=2&theater

clears up a few things. I also read somewhere (im trying to find it again) the fin section is made of a pressed foam type material that breaks up on impact.

Then that would take care of all the weight issues I was worried about. That much rubber would need a lot of pressure behind it to hit 300 fps.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:14 AM

Now it comes down to:
  • How heavy are these rounds?
  • Is their range comparable to FS rounds, better, or worse?
  • What's the environmental impact of using these? Will they break apart over time or degrade in the environment?
  • If they don't hit a target just right, is the likelihood of a break or significant marking upon impact still good?
  • How will they fare in a magazine? the FS rounds can handle curves and bends, can these?

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:32 AM

All good questions and those will be answered in the coming weeks. They have a pick of them loaded into a SAR12 mag and they fit like a glove.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:33 AM

Yeah, saw those already.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:42 AM

Yes they fit like a glove in the mag they make. What about say the dye dam mags? Or even the Tiberius mags.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:44 AM

I'm not concerned about straight mags, but rather the curved mags. They don't have the same geometry at the front as FS rounds, so I'm wondering how they'll handle something like that.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:50 AM

I'm worried they had to make them bigger or smaller to avoid a lawsuit from Tiberius arms for a copyright infringement. If they are bigger or smaller they might only fit in they're proprietary mags without issues arising. Those are just my worries.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:53 AM

Well, they fit fine in a Carmatech magazine, and those were designed for normal FS rounds.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:58 AM

Well, they fit fine in a Carmatech magazine, and those were designed for normal FS rounds.

Thank you for putting my worries to rest. Now for my next question. Where and when can I pick a box up so I can teat fire them through my dam an possibly sight it in for them. Because the price is definitely right. Maybe even test them against the fs to see how they compare.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:33 AM

With a cover like that you'd probably have to buy tournament paint wouldn't you? So a couple boxes of those and a bag of ultra-evil.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:04 PM

Anyone know that type of pouches these mags fit in? I'm debating what plate carrier I'll buy for it.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:06 PM

I'm guessing they're fairly standard shaped magazines, so whatever all the other magfed guns with similar magazines fit in should work.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 02:18 PM

I rock AK mag pouches for my MILSIG, and they fit M4 sized mags fine (Read: Hammer 7 mags, Dye DAM Mags, D-Mags). So if anything, I would go with AK just to be safe.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 12:29 PM

Does anyone here currently own a TGR2?
I ask because all I've been seeing are these preview videos and rumor mill speculatory comments about the rifle, there's not much to go on in terms of an actual comprehensive review of the marker. I would implore anyone who owns a TGR2 to do a video review so we can get some facts to go on.

Such as:
Deviations in FPS, chrono it with each spring from the kit.
Air consumption, both HPA and CO2.
Quality review of the parts.
Ergonomics. Not just at rest but understress. Magwell ease of reload.
Etc.

Just an average review. Yes, I know there are videos out there on the TGR2 but they are preview videos and the filmers were asked by Scarab Arms not to do a review until the marker was released, seeing as they were using a prototype. The TGR2 has been released for quite some time now, I hope someone (*couch* "Mike") will do a review soon.




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