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Poll: Electro BPS = Semi Auto Electro (37 member(s) have cast votes)

BPS Cap to make my electro fair against your A5

  1. 3 or less (1 votes [2.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.70%

  2. 4 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 5 (5 votes [13.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.51%

  4. 6 (3 votes [8.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.11%

  5. 7 (4 votes [10.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.81%

  6. 8 (6 votes [16.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.22%

  7. 9 or more (18 votes [48.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.65%

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#1 PBphilosopher

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 02:36 AM

What you would cap my semi auto electro at in order to make a fair fight against an A5?

Edited by PBphilosopher, 21 March 2013 - 02:38 AM.


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 02:39 AM

I wouldn't makes the victory sweeter
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 02:51 AM

I'm not.shure what's really going on, but 10-12 BPS seems decent.for everybody no.matter what gun.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 02:52 AM

as long as your on semi it doesnt really matter
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 02:58 AM

as long as your on semi it doesnt really matter

So you are saying that a $1,000 electro in semi mode is roughly equivalent to a $170 Tippman in terms of field performance?

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 03:02 AM

Pull the trigger they all go bang
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 03:02 AM

no just saying if i capped at 8 and you just happened to be someone that can walk an a5 trigger like a beast then that would be a little to your advantage
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 03:08 AM

So if they are all so similar, why do people talk down the Tippmann type guns so much?

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 03:11 AM

when it comes to speed any gun can shoot 12 bps but performance is much different
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 03:32 AM

when it comes to speed any gun can shoot 12 bps but performance is much different


This. Some people want a super smooth spool, some people want a poppit, cool people want pumps, and others prefer good ol' mechs.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:39 AM

So if they are all so similar, why do people talk down the Tippmann type guns so much?


It's not just Tippmann but the milisim style comes with a distinct disadvantage especially Tippmanns but if its what you want who cares? I would say with a single trigger the max you could pull of without making your shots wildly inaccurate would be 5 bps with a single trigger Tippmann since that's what they come with stock where as if you bought a speedball marker some people can walk at 15 bps or higher. Now if the marker can handle that without chopping is another thing lol

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:41 AM

all these tippmann threads make me giggle.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:44 AM

The again that only matters if you play big games or go somewhere other then the woods I play speedball a lot but its always fun to go just mess around with friends so I take my Axe and go have fun the same Axe I'm shooting 10.5 semi at people on the speedball field practicing against D3 teams so you can see the difference in usability and the styling of the marker has a bit to do with that.

all these tippmann threads make me giggle.


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 07:10 AM

There's no reason to handicap yourself with your electro to play against a buddy shooting an A5.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 08:29 AM

I don't think rate of fire really matters. If you're shooting an electro in uncapped semi, and want to give a guy with a tippmann a break, that's completely up to you.
Seriously, it's not that hard to just pull the trigger less. All this talk of caps is unnecessary so long as the people playing are able to reasonably control their own rates of fire.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 08:36 AM

You can put your electro on ramp for all I care, I'll take you on with my mag fed and still call it a fair fight. Don't make no difference to me.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 11:32 AM

These tippmann threads...its like crack to me. But I refuse to make this another 150+ post thread like the one I started.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 12:39 PM

no just saying if i capped at 8 and you just happened to be someone that can walk an a5 trigger like a beast then that would be a little to your advantage

I think you've got the rolls reversed in this scenario. YOU have the A5, he has something else.

So if they are all so similar, why do people talk down the Tippmann type guns so much?

You're going to see this ALL the time on the internet. People have confidence in their own ability, but not in the ability of others. This explains why you'll see a lot of "don't buy this if you're just starting out", and then "I'm not worried about what you're using, I'll beat you with a slingshot!"

This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Realistically, almost no new player will have the same ability as somebody who has been playing for several years. Every year at Thanksgiving my extended family plays Paintball together. I bought a pump last October to disadvantage myself because my family is that bad. We played for several hours, and even with a pump against electros, I was only shot twice all day, and one of them was in a 4v1 game.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:03 PM

all these tippmann threads make me giggle.



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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:07 PM

Uncapped ramping, because yolo.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:16 PM

someone that can walk an a5 trigger


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:23 PM

ROF makes no difference, I pick up a rental all the time and play against other regulars with electros without any issue.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:39 PM


someone that can walk an a5 trigger


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I assure you, it's possible; but it might involve.......... Fanning!

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:47 PM

Well you see, I can bunker you almost as easily with an a5 as I could with my shocker (I'm pretty sure they weigh about the same). While RoF might give someone an advantage, skill can easily make up for it.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:56 PM



someone that can walk an a5 trigger


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I assure you, it's possible; but it might involve.......... Fanning!


With an A5 trigger? How the hell do you accomplish that?

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 05:09 PM

i would want it to be civil war style (load balls by hand) with the a5 that would make it fair for the electro :dodgy:

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 05:22 PM




someone that can walk an a5 trigger


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I assure you, it's possible; but it might involve.......... Fanning!


With an A5 trigger? How the hell do you accomplish that?

it requires a chicken wing and your whole arm moving fast


my friend does it with his alpha and he can do it pretty fast :o
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 05:34 PM


as long as your on semi it doesnt really matter

So you are saying that a $1,000 electro in semi mode is roughly equivalent to a $170 Tippman in terms of field performance?


As long as they both shoot paint it doesn't matter.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:19 PM

Its the player, not the gun. If it were me I wouldn't care as long as you were on semi. If you are playing a newer player and can't cap yourself (ie with your brain) I'd say 7, or billy ball if yoy have it
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:26 PM




someone that can walk an a5 trigger


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I assure you, it's possible; but it might involve.......... Fanning!


With an A5 trigger? How the hell do you accomplish that?




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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:29 PM

It doesnt matter what anyone has on the field, I've been in games with seasoned players shooting droids, egos, timmies, etc. and stomped them when running around with a semi A5 while they had ramping.

I've also seen a fellow using 2 pistols on a speedball field eliminate an entire team.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 08:01 PM




someone that can walk an a5 trigger


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I assure you, it's possible; but it might involve.......... Fanning!


With an A5 trigger? How the hell do you accomplish that?

I'll say it a second time, the technique is called fanning. Look it up.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 09:55 PM

i would want it to be civil war style (load balls by hand) with the a5 that would make it fair for the electro :dodgy:


actually with the cyclone on an A5 you could have ~10 balls in the cyclone itself appose to the 2-3 in an electro so the A5 would have an advantage.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 12:43 AM


So if they are all so similar, why do people talk down the Tippmann type guns so much?


It's not just Tippmann but the milisim style comes with a distinct disadvantage especially Tippmanns but if its what you want who cares? I would say with a single trigger the max you could pull of without making your shots wildly inaccurate would be 5 bps with a single trigger Tippmann since that's what they come with stock where as if you bought a speedball marker some people can walk at 15 bps or higher. Now if the marker can handle that without chopping is another thing lol


This is what I was curious about. Our group only allows mechanicals at 8 BPS or less, to keep the game inexpensive and fair. Some guys were asking about getting electros, so we were wondering what we should cap the electros at in order to make everyone equal gun wise so that skill is the deciding factor, not guns.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 12:49 AM

A5 hoppers can feed up to 15bps. Nuff said.
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Posted 22 March 2013 - 12:51 AM



So if they are all so similar, why do people talk down the Tippmann type guns so much?


It's not just Tippmann but the milisim style comes with a distinct disadvantage especially Tippmanns but if its what you want who cares? I would say with a single trigger the max you could pull of without making your shots wildly inaccurate would be 5 bps with a single trigger Tippmann since that's what they come with stock where as if you bought a speedball marker some people can walk at 15 bps or higher. Now if the marker can handle that without chopping is another thing lol


This is what I was curious about. Our group only allows mechanicals at 8 BPS or less, to keep the game inexpensive and fair. Some guys were asking about getting electros, so we were wondering what we should cap the electros at in order to make everyone equal gun wise so that skill is the deciding factor, not guns.


1. how do you cap a mech?

2. id say if the mechs were capped at 8 either let the electro's play at 7 or 8 so it is even probably 7 just because you can pull the trigger faster on an electro
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Posted 22 March 2013 - 02:34 AM

Poopfairy:

Cyclone can feed at 15bps, but the mechanics of the gun will only shoot +- 8 BPS in its stock configuration. http://www.tippmann.com/a5.aspx (the specs here rate it at 8 BPS)

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How we cap: We cap initially by going by manufacturer specs. Then by disallowing any mods "that could potentially increase ROF" So no Mags or Cockers, no egrips, response, light springs, double triggers etc...

One gun we are currently considering is the enmey-- which, i think, shoots at about 10 bps. First we will put the spring on max tension and see if we can get it down to 8. If that doesn't work, we will spec out some heavier springs to see if the rate of fire will slow without messing up the feel of the trigger. If not, we will probably allow it at what ever the BPS is at stock spring max tension. A lot of us really like the technology on the gun, so if we get and like it, it would be worth allowing a slightly higher ROF.

Why we cap:

1. It allows more movement on the field, which is better exercise and more fun.
2. It gives the advantage to the player who can move and who thinks strategically, not the player who spent the most money on equipment/paint.
3. It eliminates PERCEIVED advantage. Everyone on our field knows that you will never lose because someone spent more/had better equip/more paint. If you win/lose on our field, it is 100% because of you and everybody knows that.
4. It's MUCH MUCH cheaper. Nobody on our field complains or misses a game because of money. You get competitive guns for under $100 and You pay less than $15 for a half case that lasts you all day, some guys just get a bag and play for less than $10.

So you think caping the autos at 7 BPS would be fair? We have been thinking around 5 or 6 because there are other advantages to electros besides just ROF. What are your thoughts on that?

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 02:57 AM

very good points there and i would like if my field had some rules like that (or any rules for that mater) when you break it down like that i think 5 would be very fair just because usually elecro's have a lighter trigger allowing them to actually hit their cap while a mech has a stronger pull which in some cases might not let you reach that 8 bps cap so id say around 5 bps sounds fair to me :tup:
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Posted 22 March 2013 - 04:23 AM

very good points there and i would like if my field had some rules like that (or any rules for that mater) when you break it down like that i think 5 would be very fair just because usually elecro's have a lighter trigger allowing them to actually hit their cap while a mech has a stronger pull which in some cases might not let you reach that 8 bps cap so id say around 5 bps sounds fair to me :tup:


I made a couple posts asking people the ROF they prefer and most say 10+. I wonder if that is TWICE as fun as 5 BPS and if 20BPS is twice as fun as 10BPS. It has to be twice as fun, or it's not worth the extra money.

10BPS is about the same and the 240B and SAW (machine guns) and 13 times faster than the an M-4 in semi automatic.

I worked at a church camp where we had to limit the balls to 20 per game and people had the time of their lives. I think if people were to really sit back and consider how to make paintball more fun/easy/fair/cheaper that it could become one of the most popular sports in the US.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 01:28 PM


very good points there and i would like if my field had some rules like that (or any rules for that mater) when you break it down like that i think 5 would be very fair just because usually elecro's have a lighter trigger allowing them to actually hit their cap while a mech has a stronger pull which in some cases might not let you reach that 8 bps cap so id say around 5 bps sounds fair to me :tup:


I made a couple posts asking people the ROF they prefer and most say 10+. I wonder if that is TWICE as fun as 5 BPS and if 20BPS is twice as fun as 10BPS. It has to be twice as fun, or it's not worth the extra money.

10BPS is about the same and the 240B and SAW (machine guns) and 13 times faster than the an M-4 in semi automatic.

I worked at a church camp where we had to limit the balls to 20 per game and people had the time of their lives. I think if people were to really sit back and consider how to make paintball more fun/easy/fair/cheaper that it could become one of the most popular sports in the US.


just because people want to shoot 10 bps doesnt mean their laying ropes down the whole game it just allows you that extra firepower when you need
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Posted 22 March 2013 - 01:31 PM



very good points there and i would like if my field had some rules like that (or any rules for that mater) when you break it down like that i think 5 would be very fair just because usually elecro's have a lighter trigger allowing them to actually hit their cap while a mech has a stronger pull which in some cases might not let you reach that 8 bps cap so id say around 5 bps sounds fair to me :tup:


I made a couple posts asking people the ROF they prefer and most say 10+. I wonder if that is TWICE as fun as 5 BPS and if 20BPS is twice as fun as 10BPS. It has to be twice as fun, or it's not worth the extra money.

10BPS is about the same and the 240B and SAW (machine guns) and 13 times faster than the an M-4 in semi automatic.

I worked at a church camp where we had to limit the balls to 20 per game and people had the time of their lives. I think if people were to really sit back and consider how to make paintball more fun/easy/fair/cheaper that it could become one of the most popular sports in the US.


just because people want to shoot 10 bps doesnt mean their laying ropes down the whole game it just allows you that extra firepower when you need


very true.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:40 PM

fucking 26 bps, so when I shoot you my testosterone will shoot through the fucking roof!
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 10:28 PM

fucking 26 bps, so when I shoot you my testosterone will shoot through the fucking roof!


BPS does not affect testosterone levels. I think the question was what would make you even, not what would have the most effect on your hormone levels.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 10:31 PM

These threads don't change the opinions of the players... Just because the answers you receive don't make you happy doesn't mean more threads are necessary. I'm still going to say 12.5 BPS since an A5 has the capability to do just that.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:27 PM


fucking 26 bps, so when I shoot you my testosterone will shoot through the fucking roof!


BPS does not affect testosterone levels. I think the question was what would make you even, not what would have the most effect on your hormone levels.


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:45 PM

These threads don't change the opinions of the players... Just because the answers you receive don't make you happy doesn't mean more threads are necessary. I'm still going to say 12.5 BPS since an A5 has the capability to do just that.


The thread was not meant to change opinions, only to hear what people's were. If you think the A5 is equivalent to an electro that shoots 12.5, would you say it would be a suitable tournament gun?

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:49 PM


These threads don't change the opinions of the players... Just because the answers you receive don't make you happy doesn't mean more threads are necessary. I'm still going to say 12.5 BPS since an A5 has the capability to do just that.


The thread was not meant to change opinions, only to hear what people's were. If you think the A5 is equivalent to an electro that shoots 12.5, would you say it would be a suitable tournament gun?

I'm pretty sure he just said that the gun could shoot 12.5 bps, not 'a suitable tournament gun'.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:03 AM


These threads don't change the opinions of the players... Just because the answers you receive don't make you happy doesn't mean more threads are necessary. I'm still going to say 12.5 BPS since an A5 has the capability to do just that.


The thread was not meant to change opinions, only to hear what people's were. If you think the A5 is equivalent to an electro that shoots 12.5, would you say it would be a suitable tournament gun?


The Tippinators seem to think so. If ROF is all we're talking about, an A5 is fine for tournament. If size and weight come into play, I would say no.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 04:03 PM

ill play four guys on one you all can have your freakin spectacular tippmanns, i will take only one feed tube full of paint you can carry all the pods you want. i will pop you all in the noggin with my grey ghost...ill go bobby dukes on yall
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 04:28 PM

ill play four guys on one you all can have your freakin spectacular tippmanns, i will take only one feed tube full of paint you can carry all the pods you want. i will pop you all in the noggin with my grey ghost...ill go bobby dukes on yall

...and then wipe?
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