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Posted 04 April 2013 - 08:30 AM

WHO MILLS THESE MARKERS!!! Come on Bob I want to love your markers but they all look like a woodchuck milled them? Sure function over form all that stuff but in this price range you should get both... I love what the marker offers just not the packaging which is my feeling with most BL markers...

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:28 AM

I really wish people would stop complaining about blasts miling, there are many out there who appreciate a little variety...

And honestly if you don't like at least a few of his millings you are blind,

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:32 AM

... maybe some people like the milling? I think it looks alright, I would have prefered a smooth/ flat milling instead of the "ribs" on the body though. I think that would have looked really sleek and simple. I wont argue though, because for years I've been wanting Bob to make a spool valve. I was surprised to see the Vcom, let alone a second spool valve around the same time.

Waffle milling would have been even better. :ph34r:

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:47 AM

honestly who cares about the milling on the base model? You know bob will create different versions of this marker... This is going to look sick as a Dragon NG

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:56 AM

A very efficient spool, this is going to be another interesting gun from Bob. Time to decide what to save up for. :o

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:01 AM

I enjoy good variety? This looks like a habachi grill master just went to town... In this price range the milling matters and most people will be purchasing the base model? I would just appreciate a better looking smooth design that looks like some thought was put into it.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:08 AM

with all guns I wait for awhile till any bug or mechanical problems are worked out.... I'm never the one to be run out and buy the first 50... and by the time I even have a 1/10th of this sort of cash new patterns will emerge. :D


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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:17 AM


i was thinking the same thing. its hard to beat into someones head that just because its not an exposed bolt stack tube, that doesnt mean its a spool. i argued with some 14 year old kid for 20 minutes because he insisted that my angel g7 fly was a spool. even after i spun my roto breach and showed him the poppet!

Nice try, we all know Angels are spools.


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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:03 PM

I would just appreciate a better looking smooth design that looks like some thought was put into it.


Yep there's the flaw...
You assume that your idea of beauty is better than others. I personally love the look, and I dislike clones/geos simple lines.
I want lamborgini lines, crazy poster images on my markers whereas I understand many want the ferrari lines, simple and clean.

Different strokes for different folks, just quit calling them names because it doesn't look like your type. Stick around, I have a feeling blast will bang out different bodies if it proves to be a successful platform.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:34 PM

I want lamborgini lines,

Can you point out the set of bland/bad looking ribs on the Lambo?

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:40 PM

Looks cool, although I'd probably still pick up the VCOM just because of its interchangeability. :wub:

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:49 PM


I want lamborgini lines,

Can you point out the set of bland/bad looking ribs on the Lambo?

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I think you may have missed my point, I like fantastical stylings (perhaps I should have used pagani but I thought everyone would follow my analogy this way)

But if I must...
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:17 PM

I JUST BOUGHT MY G6R


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Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:20 PM

I think you may have missed my point, I like fantastical stylings (perhaps I should have used pagani but I thought everyone would follow my analogy this way)

Ah, gotcha. Back when they made bad looking Lamborghinis.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:22 PM


I think you may have missed my point, I like fantastical stylings (perhaps I should have used pagani but I thought everyone would follow my analogy this way)

Ah, gotcha. Back when they made bad looking Lamborghinis.



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:40 PM

My favorite part about this marker is that it's going to bring blowbacks back into style. Either that, or we'll hear inline blowbacks as the same kind of curse word as a STBB.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:51 PM

Exactly how will this bring blowbacks back into style? I am lost with that statement... This is not a blowback, it's a traditional spool valve marker.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:57 PM

My favorite part about this marker is that it's going to bring blowbacks back into style. Either that, or we'll hear inline blowbacks as the same kind of curse word as a STBB.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:59 PM

Exactly how will this bring blowbacks back into style? I am lost with that statement... This is not a blowback, it's a traditional spool valve marker.

It's not really a traditional spool valve marker - I was trying to see if someone had put out an animation to demonstrate but I guess no one has done it yet. It's operating more like the operation of the shocker eigenbolt, but air is being routed to force the bolt shut quickly - that's why Bob has been proud of his "firing speed".
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:02 PM

Is the dump chamber air being used to shut the bolt completely, or just assist in the initial backwards movement? Because the Eigenbolt and apparently this are not blowbacks.

And they are most definitely "traditional" spool valve markers. Whether they use a reset assist or not is irrelevant, that's just dynamics of the spool, not some new classification.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:24 PM

I own two eigened shockers and a vapor which are all pretty similar in nature, mainly because they lack an LPR. I just don't see why anyone would consider this a blowback when multiple existing spool valves operate similarly to this. We've never called shockers, luxes, vanquishes, vapors, or any other spool valve markers blowbacks in the past. Therefore, I don't know why we'd start doing that now.

I just don't think it's correct, although I do kinda see where you're coming from.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:10 PM



I want lamborgini lines,

Can you point out the set of bland/bad looking ribs on the Lambo?

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I think you may have missed my point, I like fantastical stylings (perhaps I should have used pagani but I thought everyone would follow my analogy this way)

But if I must...
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I think all lambo's look like door wedges
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:32 PM




I want lamborgini lines,

Can you point out the set of bland/bad looking ribs on the Lambo?

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I think you may have missed my point, I like fantastical stylings (perhaps I should have used pagani but I thought everyone would follow my analogy this way)

But if I must...
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I think all lambo's look like door wedges

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:34 PM

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Just for you guys to have an "Insight". :D

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:21 PM

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Just for you guys to have an "Insight". :D


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:52 PM

I am excited about this marker. Never been a bob long fan but this may convert me.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 12:00 AM

i foresee this being a terrible design...
i hope im wrong, but thats what im thinking. the "super fast" bolt will probably crush very brittle paint and the million different orings in a dozen different sizes combined with custom/hard to get parts(the front can seal for one) will make this gun less than desirable for people who need to keep a gun running weekend in and weekend out.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 07:16 PM

i foresee this being a terrible design...
i hope im wrong, but thats what im thinking. the "super fast" bolt will probably crush very brittle paint and the million different orings in a dozen different sizes combined with custom/hard to get parts(the front can seal for one) will make this gun less than desirable for people who need to keep a gun running weekend in and weekend out.


I wouldn't worry about it too much, when Bob long came out with the marq he claimed it was 30% faster bolt speed than any other marker, and it performs well on very brittle paint even in the cold.

As for the orings, I wouldn't be too worried the main issues that BL guns have is, with the LPR setting more than anything.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 11:02 AM

Lurker/Snipez has done another video review like the did for the Ego LV1:


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 11:59 AM

So ten pods with a 45/4500
thats 202,500 pounds of pressure roughly
10 pods is approximately 1400 paintballs
soo thats around 145 lbs of force per ball...
looks like it should get around 2,100 balls off a 68/45 filled to 4500psi,
which in pods is around 15 pods
Yeah, I took algebra


Edit: Just realized that's more than a full case from a spool... and the new ego doesn't even do that..., I don't think even the impulse does that either...


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:32 PM

So after Bob's efficiency test we can get around 15 pods of a 68/45?
In other words, we'll get around 10.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 01:34 PM

So after Bob's efficiency test we can get around 15 pods of a 68/45?
In other words, we'll get around 10.


Good enough for me.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:07 PM

Hell, I'm not saying 10 pods is bad, I'm just taking an educated guess saying BL's efficiency test is bullshit like the other ones he have done.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:13 PM

Really any efficiency test is bullshit. There are so many variables that go into there is no way to do accurate efficiency test for every single person because each persons variables will be different.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 03:47 PM

I averaged 14 pods with all three of my v2 vics, but that was with an underbord, slp tank, snd after I tuned the gun. I would see a realistic number of 12 pods off a 68/4500. I am actually excited by this. Going to be a hard choicr between this and the vcom when I csn afford a new gun
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:46 PM


I would just appreciate a better looking smooth design that looks like some thought was put into it.


Yep there's the flaw...
You assume that your idea of beauty is better than others. I personally love the look, and I dislike clones/geos simple lines.
I want lamborgini lines, crazy poster images on my markers whereas I understand many want the ferrari lines, simple and clean.

Different strokes for different folks, just quit calling them names because it doesn't look like your type. Stick around, I have a feeling blast will bang out different bodies if it proves to be a successful platform.



Im not saying my idea is better then others im saying my idea represents the majority from what I have seen at least. Bobs milling has long been bland and people complain about it all the time im not saying he has to change just that I wont buy a marker from him until at least one of them looks like this (look below) and has a damn case....

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:56 PM

Bob sells a msrker based on performance, not on what comes with it, or how it looks... if you want a case for your gun, buy one, they can be had cheap, and usually of better quality then what most manufactures provide...
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:13 PM

I personally think Bob has the best looking guns on the market. Cant please everybody but im not the only one that thinks this either.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:27 PM

I personally think Bob has the best looking guns on the market. Cant please everybody but im not the only one that thinks this either.


Yea the g6r looks amazing the ripper looks amazing, most of the special edition g6r are again, amazing. I mean I love how most the ego's are milled but they definitely don't perform like bobs gun in the same price range.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 06:00 PM

Bob sells a msrker based on performance, not on what comes with it, or how it looks... if you want a case for your gun, buy one, they can be had cheap, and usually of better quality then what most manufactures provide...

To be fair it shouldn't cost much more for the marker if it's included then. Maybe they could offer a version that comes with all the standard goodies? The Premium models of his markers were the perfect opportunity for that and they wasted it IMO. MANY more people would give BL guns a chance if they had better packaging, so it seems like a perfectly logical business move to go in that direction.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 06:16 PM

Or you could just buy a hard case or a PE gun bag for around $20 and call it a day. That or a gatwrap for $10 more... Boom! Can you smell the savings?

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 06:29 PM

Or you could just buy a hard case or a PE gun bag for around $20 and call it a day. That or a gatwrap for $10 more... Boom! Can you smell the savings?

I don't disagree with that, but why not offer a factory option to include that? Like optional features on a car.

They offer custom factory anno for dirt cheap but they can't offer to have a package that includes a manual, (even a simple one) lube (which is important because people didn't even know what to put on their V-COM spool engines for quite a while), and a gun case/bag/wrap? I love BL guns but I don't see how from a business standpoint you could pass up the opportunity to appeal to new potential buyers.

Also, savings over what?

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 06:56 PM


Or you could just buy a hard case or a PE gun bag for around $20 and call it a day. That or a gatwrap for $10 more... Boom! Can you smell the savings?

I don't disagree with that, but why not offer a factory option to include that? Like optional features on a car.

They offer custom factory anno for dirt cheap but they can't offer to have a package that includes a manual, (even a simple one) lube (which is important because people didn't even know what to put on their V-COM spool engines for quite a while), and a gun case/bag/wrap? I love BL guns but I don't see how from a business standpoint you could pass up the opportunity to appeal to new potential buyers.

Also, savings over what?


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:40 PM

the rippers came with a gat wrap... i believe the premium package will also come with a gat wrap, from what i understand...

but remember this... bob markets his guns to the tinkerer... the kind of player that already has a couple gun cases, the needed tools, tons of spare orings in all different sizes... and usually a barrel kti or two that they like.... where as PE markets tot he kind of player that wants an all in one package... i personally dont care for all the "extras" that come with PE, Dye, DLX, Empire and such... i have my own cases, barrels, tools and lube... to me, the case and such that comes with the Ego is just unneeded filler...

what i would like to see from bob is 2 triggers with each gun, the "deuce" style trigger and the standard s-class... as well as 4c eyes included, along with 2c eyes... and maybe a nice barrel condom...
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:44 PM

the rippers came with a gat wrap... i believe the premium package will also come with a gat wrap, from what i understand...

but remember this... bob markets his guns to the tinkerer... the kind of player that already has a couple gun cases, the needed tools, tons of spare orings in all different sizes... and usually a barrel kti or two that they like.... where as PE markets to the kind of player that wants an all in one package... i personally dont care for all the "extras" that come with PE, Dye, DLX, Empire and such... i have my own cases, barrels, tools and lube... to me, the case and such that comes with the Ego is just unneeded filler...

what i would like to see from bob is 2 triggers with each gun, the "deuce" style trigger and the standard s-class... as well as 4c eyes included, along with 2c eyes... and maybe a nice barrel condom...

Forgot about that. I understand Bob's methodology, I'm just saying if people are willing to pay for something, why not offer it? Does he not want more money and more players using his markers? :huh:

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:48 PM

its about offering a gun that out performs the competition at a lower price... that case that PE includes, the nice metal clam shell case, most likely cost PE 20-30 bucks per case to have made... which means they have to double that make enough profit on it when added to the price of the gun... the more you add to the gun, the more you have to charge for it...

for bob, having all his guns come int he sameish box and samish cut out foam, it saves money, and he can then pass those savings down to us...
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:58 PM

its about offering a gun that out performs the competition at a lower price... that case that PE includes, the nice metal clam shell case, most likely cost PE 20-30 bucks per case to have made... which means they have to double that make enough profit on it when added to the price of the gun... the more you add to the gun, the more you have to charge for it...

for bob, having all his guns come int he sameish box and samish cut out foam, it saves money, and he can then pass those savings down to us...

This is what everyone says, and I understand it. What I'm saying however is that if it's possible to offer custom anno by choice why not offer accessories/peripherals right from the source? I can't imagine how that would have a negative outcome for Bob and Co.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:59 PM


Or you could just buy a hard case or a PE gun bag for around $20 and call it a day. That or a gatwrap for $10 more... Boom! Can you smell the savings?

I don't disagree with that, but why not offer a factory option to include that? Like optional features on a car.

They offer custom factory anno for dirt cheap but they can't offer to have a package that includes a manual, (even a simple one) lube (which is important because people didn't even know what to put on their V-COM spool engines for quite a while), and a gun case/bag/wrap? I love BL guns but I don't see how from a business standpoint you could pass up the opportunity to appeal to new potential buyers.

Also, savings over what?


The savings of not spending $200+ more for a gun case, tools, lube, etc. Like what you do when you buy Planet Eclipse, macdev, DLX, Machine, or even Dye guns for that matter.

Here are the Insight NG prices-
$1075 Black with 1 piece barrel
$1150 Premium - Custom Anodized color with accent pieces and 2 piece barrel

compared to some other choices that come with fancy cases and whatnot:

- geo3- at an average retail price of $1,345 you're saving $270 with the base model Insight and $195 with the premium package Insight! (that may even come with a gatwrap?)
- Luxe- At an average retail price of $1,500 (non- fancy anodizing) with the base model Insight thats a difference of $425 and with the premium Insight thats a difference of $350.

Thats the savings I'm seeing... the money saved by buying BL over the others. He's not charging you what he would if he included a Bob Long branded case and all of the extra stuff to go with it.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:59 PM

he does, with certain guns... i've seen a few G6r's come with gat wraps and such...
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 08:14 PM



Or you could just buy a hard case or a PE gun bag for around $20 and call it a day. That or a gatwrap for $10 more... Boom! Can you smell the savings?

I don't disagree with that, but why not offer a factory option to include that? Like optional features on a car.

They offer custom factory anno for dirt cheap but they can't offer to have a package that includes a manual, (even a simple one) lube (which is important because people didn't even know what to put on their V-COM spool engines for quite a while), and a gun case/bag/wrap? I love BL guns but I don't see how from a business standpoint you could pass up the opportunity to appeal to new potential buyers.

Also, savings over what?


The savings of not spending $200+ more for a gun case, tools, lube, etc. Like what you do when you buy Planet Eclipse, macdev, DLX, Machine, or even Dye guns for that matter.

Here are the Insight NG prices-
$1075 Black with 1 piece barrel
$1150 Premium - Custom Anodized color with accent pieces and 2 piece barrel

compared to some other choices that come with fancy cases and whatnot:

- geo3- at an average retail price of $1,345 you're saving $270 with the base model Insight and $195 with the premium package Insight! (that may even come with a gatwrap?)
- Luxe- At an average retail price of $1,500 (non- fancy anodizing) with the base model Insight thats a difference of $425 and with the premium Insight thats a difference of $350.

Thats the savings I'm seeing... the money saved by buying BL over the others. He's not charging you what he would if he included a Bob Long branded case and all of the extra stuff to go with it.

That's not savings. that's buying a different marker. If someone wants an Insight they will buy an Insight. If they want a Geo, they'll buy a Geo. If they want a Luxe, they'll buy a Luxe. Different people value different things and these three examples are sufficiently different IMO that were someone deciding between them I doubt the deciding factor would be price given that between high-end markers it is overwhelmingly personal preference and people live and die by their opinions on them.

he does, with certain guns... i've seen a few G6r's come with gat wraps and such...

What I am trying to get at is that many perceive Bob Long to have poor support for his customers (which is absolutely false) because of the way some of his markers are released. I think an option to provide the extras that Dye, PE, DLX, whoever offer (and it is an option because you bet I will buy used instead if I don't want/need it) would go a long way to silencing the claims many make about Bob Long products. Many people know the craftmanship that goes into a BLAST marker and the reasons you and others have stated for not having excessive packaging, however, think about all the people that don't.

Sometimes actions speak louder than words, and you can't speak to everyone out there, although it is worth trying less they miss out on some incredible products that just take a few more braincells to get the most from than your average paintballer uses most of the time. ;)

Edited by BurningPlaydoh, 07 April 2013 - 08:15 PM.





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