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Posted 07 April 2013 - 08:53 PM

It's a conspiracy that Planet Eclipse, Dye, KEE, DP, Tippmann, WGP, WPD, Smart Parts, AGD, GOG, DLX, MacDev, GI Sportz, Pro Caps, Kingman, Alien, AKA, ICD, CCM, CCI, Infinity, Shocktech...

All these companies are in it together and are trying to bring down bob long so they can finally Join up together and rule paintball..

Just wait... :dodgy:

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 09:48 PM

It's a conspiracy that Planet Eclipse, Dye, KEE, DP, Tippmann, WGP, WPD, Smart Parts, AGD, GOG, DLX, MacDev, GI Sportz, Pro Caps, Kingman, Alien, AKA, ICD, CCM, CCI, Infinity, Shocktech...

All these companies are in it together and are trying to bring down bob long so they can finally Join up together and rule paintball..

Just wait... :dodgy:

Who is this directed to? What is your point?

Also several of those companies are DEFINITELY not known for their packaging.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:09 PM

It's a conspiracy that Planet Eclipse, Dye, KEE, DP, Tippmann, WGP, WPD, Smart Parts, AGD, GOG, DLX, MacDev, GI Sportz, Pro Caps, Kingman, Alien, AKA, ICD, CCM, CCI, Infinity, Shocktech...

All these companies are in it together and are trying to bring down bob long so they can finally Join up together and rule paintball..

Just wait... :dodgy:


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:36 PM

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it will just happen... all at once... like... like a Zerg rush!!! ermahgawd!!

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:56 PM

It's a conspiracy that Planet Eclipse, Dye, KEE, DP, Tippmann, WGP, WPD, Smart Parts, AGD, GOG, DLX, MacDev, GI Sportz, Pro Caps, Kingman, Alien, AKA, ICD, CCM, CCI, Infinity, Shocktech...

All these companies are in it together and are trying to bring down bob long so they can finally Join up together and rule paintball..

Just wait... :dodgy:


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 11:16 PM


It's a conspiracy that Planet Eclipse, Dye, KEE, DP, Tippmann, WGP, WPD, Smart Parts, AGD, GOG, DLX, MacDev, GI Sportz, Pro Caps, Kingman, Alien, AKA, ICD, CCM, CCI, Infinity, Shocktech...

All these companies are in it together and are trying to bring down bob long so they can finally Join up together and rule paintball..

Just wait... :dodgy:


Its the illuminati.


I was thinking the Triads... since they all want to start manufacturing in Asia, and then... no gun will work correctly :dodgy:

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:41 PM



It's a conspiracy that Planet Eclipse, Dye, KEE, DP, Tippmann, WGP, WPD, Smart Parts, AGD, GOG, DLX, MacDev, GI Sportz, Pro Caps, Kingman, Alien, AKA, ICD, CCM, CCI, Infinity, Shocktech...

All these companies are in it together and are trying to bring down bob long so they can finally Join up together and rule paintball..

Just wait... :dodgy:


Its the illuminati.


I was thinking the Triads... since they all want to start manufacturing in Asia, and then... no gun will work correctly :dodgy:


Obviously Jay-Z is running all of paintball right now.

yea I kept seeing banner ads for asianbeaver.com until I cleared my cache

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:46 PM




It's a conspiracy that Planet Eclipse, Dye, KEE, DP, Tippmann, WGP, WPD, Smart Parts, AGD, GOG, DLX, MacDev, GI Sportz, Pro Caps, Kingman, Alien, AKA, ICD, CCM, CCI, Infinity, Shocktech...

All these companies are in it together and are trying to bring down bob long so they can finally Join up together and rule paintball..

Just wait... :dodgy:


Its the illuminati.


I was thinking the Triads... since they all want to start manufacturing in Asia, and then... no gun will work correctly :dodgy:


Obviously Jay-Z is running all of paintball right now.


lies!!

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 06:37 PM

I think it looks pretty damn ugly. This makes me sad.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 07:38 PM

ill let you guys know how it shoots when i get mine next week. as far as im concerned i dont care about the packaging. i already have all the little shit accessories from past guns why the hell do i need more crap. i dont need my gun to come with 15 pieces of flair i just need it to shoot.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 07:40 PM

Bob Long should make blowbacks with OLED boards :dodgy:

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 09:33 PM

Bob Long should make blowbacks with OLED boards :dodgy:


My Pilot ACS, has an oled...
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 09:50 PM

My Pilot ACS, has an oled...

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 10:08 PM


Bob Long should make blowbacks with OLED boards :dodgy:


My Pilot ACS, has an oled...


and a pillow bolt.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:38 PM



Bob Long should make blowbacks with OLED boards :dodgy:


My Pilot ACS, has an oled...


and a pillow bolt.


I believe you're referring to the anti chop system. Lightyears ahead of the pillow bolt sir
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:05 AM

Bob Long should make blowbacks with OLED boards :dodgy:

That gun can be yours for just $1075. That's right, $1075! I still think the closing mechanism is unusual and "blowbackian". It sounds like it's not going to have the feel of the v-com or traditional spools like the geo or luxe. I'm very curious to see if it will have a Dye NT-like reaction due to the kick when people get a chance to try it out for themselves.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:10 AM


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 12:30 PM

from what i can tell, that floating shut off valve move very little instide the body, doesnt dound "blowbackian" to me at all, its just to seal off the dump chamber faster and allow the bolt to move back to the resting position under less resistance... which is what i am gather makes this system so quick
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 12:49 PM

The shuttle valve opens and allows direct air from the HPR to start moving the ram backwards before the solenoid does, this is mechanical dwell. Basically, it's using the timing and pressure of the system to determine when to shut the valve, rather than waiting for the sluggish response of the solenoid. However, it is only able to shut the valve, and not actually move the bolt all the way back, as blowbacks do. It must still wait for the electronic dwell from the solenoid to turn on and completely push it all the way back.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 05:13 PM

from what i can tell, that floating shut off valve move very little instide the body, doesnt dound "blowbackian" to me at all, its just to seal off the dump chamber faster and allow the bolt to move back to the resting position under less resistance... which is what i am gather makes this system so quick

I don't get the less resistance part at all - this bolt appears to have a strong resistance force at close. It's a very tight fit at rest and will need force to overcome the friction.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:49 PM

the lower pressure int he dump chamber means less force acting on the bolt engine trying to keep it forward as the bolt tries to return to the rearward position... in the lurker video he described it as a neutral ballance bolt, meaning it took very little pressure to open an close the bolt, partly because of the shuttle valve
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:57 PM

The bolt is only nearly neutrally balanced when the solenoid is on. The dynamics of the dump chamber make it a blow-forward. It's because of that initial rear bias with the shuttle open that starts the momentum rearward that they don't need such a large face on the tail for the solenoid to work on to bring it all the way back.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:27 PM

I'm shooting it* this weekend at HB !

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:30 PM

I'm shooting this weekend at HB !

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 11:59 PM

Sorry I'm late to the party all!

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...I should point out, most of the BL markers are setup for all-purpose use out of the box. After tuning, I'm certain it's possible to get 10 pods off a 45/45.


Oh hey, that was my post on 'that other website' :D

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 05:34 AM



"Some people say: "Well it's impossible, you can't suck balls." Well... they're wrong." - Bob Long

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 06:32 AM

I see this as being hard on paint. "Sucking" balls into the breach means a sharper impact in the breach. Faster bolt speeds and less air used means greater ball acceleration. Both of these will lead to loading fractures/barrel breaks. I do see how the design will allow for a low initial pressure on the ball.

I guess the real answer is from HB and the people that shot it, and just how brittle the paint was.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:15 PM

I see this as being hard on paint. "Sucking" balls into the breach means a sharper impact in the breach. Faster bolt speeds and less air used means greater ball acceleration. Both of these will lead to loading fractures/barrel breaks. I do see how the design will allow for a low initial pressure on the ball.

I guess the real answer is from HB and the people that shot it, and just how brittle the paint was.

I don't know about anyone else, but the people I know at HB did not enjoy their play with this marker. Lots of breaks. Then again, it's new - I'd like to see if it gets better with fine tuning.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 03:28 AM

A message to all who think bobs millings are ugly just remember he is the the only one actually coming out with different milling unlike every other company in paintball

I did get to hold one of these last week very light and felt great in the hands
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 06:56 AM


I see this as being hard on paint. "Sucking" balls into the breach means a sharper impact in the breach. Faster bolt speeds and less air used means greater ball acceleration. Both of these will lead to loading fractures/barrel breaks. I do see how the design will allow for a low initial pressure on the ball.

I guess the real answer is from HB and the people that shot it, and just how brittle the paint was.

I don't know about anyone else, but the people I know at HB did not enjoy their play with this marker. Lots of breaks. Then again, it's new - I'd like to see if it gets better with fine tuning.


I heard that HB was a paint-spewing break-fest for most everyone involved on account of extremely large (like, .694) paint that was manufactured for the event. Does anyone know how the gun has performed with NORMAL (for today) sized paintballs?

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:13 AM

That is what I have heard also. I went to HB just to pick up a BL marker and ended up with an Insight and, in particular, I picked up one of the ones that he had been lending out. My copy came with a .682 barrel back - if the balls were measuring well over .690, it is quite believable that someone had a bad day. I think the most one would want to underbore is .008.

For my own part, my wife nixed my outing last weekend, so I have not had any field time with the marker :angry: I can say the my Spire sits on the marker like it was made specifically for it :)

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:35 AM

if that insight video is of bob long claiming he has suction timed the insight... i call bullshit... and no, i havent watched the video... no sense in watching it if the audio on my laptop doesnt work...

i've been teching and tuning autocockers for almost 10 years... suction timing is a myth
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:53 AM

if that insight video is of bob long claiming he has suction timed the insight... i call bullshit... and no, i havent watched the video... no sense in watching it if the audio on my laptop doesnt work...

i've been teching and tuning autocockers for almost 10 years... suction timing is a myth

He claims that the bolt return is so fast that is creates suction and draws balls into the breach.

My opinion, it would just pull in the air around the ball stack and not move them at all.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:57 AM

A message to all who think bobs millings are ugly just remember he is the the only one actually coming out with different milling unlike every other company in paintball

That might mean something if any of his other millings looked good too.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:39 AM


A message to all who think bobs millings are ugly just remember he is the the only one actually coming out with different milling unlike every other company in paintball

That might mean something if any of his other millings looked good too.



Mabe bob should just start anoing his guns and calling them something new like other company's and mabe you would like it more sence everyone here hates any sort of creative milling
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:58 PM

if that insight video is of bob long claiming he has suction timed the insight... i call bullshit... and no, i havent watched the video... no sense in watching it if the audio on my laptop doesnt work...

i've been teching and tuning autocockers for almost 10 years... suction timing is a myth


Suction timing may not be all that it says it is performance-wise (ie. it's not strong enough to help suck in a ball), but it definitely exists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOPa1sqcq2A

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 03:01 PM



A message to all who think bobs millings are ugly just remember he is the the only one actually coming out with different milling unlike every other company in paintball

That might mean something if any of his other millings looked good too.



Mabe bob should just start anoing his guns and calling them something new like other company's and mabe you would like it more sence everyone here hates any sort of creative milling

No we like the creative milling, Mr. Condescending moon. But repeated straight grooves? Thats creative to you? No. We like the creative ones, like the flame g6r or the dragon g6r, regardless of how cliche they are.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 03:11 PM


if that insight video is of bob long claiming he has suction timed the insight... i call bullshit... and no, i havent watched the video... no sense in watching it if the audio on my laptop doesnt work...

i've been teching and tuning autocockers for almost 10 years... suction timing is a myth


Suction timing may not be all that it says it is performance-wise (ie. it's not strong enough to help suck in a ball), but it definitely exists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOPa1sqcq2A


thats a piece of paper that has muh more air resistance then a round paintball... suction timing is a myth, it does nothing to improve the speed at which the balls feed into the gun... if the bolt is moving fast enough, and the cocker is timed right, then the residual air rushing downthe barrel will suck a piece of paper into the feedneck... it will have zero effect on the paintball dropping into the breach
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:22 PM




A message to all who think bobs millings are ugly just remember he is the the only one actually coming out with different milling unlike every other company in paintball

That might mean something if any of his other millings looked good too.



Mabe bob should just start anoing his guns and calling them something new like other company's and mabe you would like it more sence everyone here hates any sort of creative milling

No we like the creative milling, Mr. Condescending moon. But repeated straight grooves? Thats creative to you? No. We like the creative ones, like the flame g6r or the dragon g6r, regardless of how cliche they are.



Mabe you should learn how to read

That might mean something if any of his other millings looked good too.
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Dus that not mean all his millings are crap ? Or am a just stupid


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:33 PM

Let me put it like this: I like good creative milling, not bad creative milling. There's a difference.

Let's recap:

A message to all who think bobs millings are ugly just remember he is the the only one actually coming out with different milling unlike every other company in paintball

This post right here is telling us that the sheer volume of milling styles from Bob Long should make up for the less than appealing nature of those milling styles. A volume vs. quality, if you will, which doesn't work for us. I'd rather have one gem than a bunch of rocks.

Mabe bob should just start anoing his guns and calling them something new like other company's and mabe you would like it more sence everyone here hates any sort of creative milling

I'm not sure what your point is here. Bob Long already does that. Remember the Marq 6, Marq 7, Marq Rapper, and the Marq Closer? Or are you saying that other companies don't change the looks of their guns at all when they update the guns per generation, and that the milling is identical for all generations?

TL;DR - We don't like most of Bob's choices in milling design. The volume of that work means nothing other than he makes poor design choices more than normal.

Besides, we're talking about personal opinion here. No need to make excuses for Bob or get mad.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:40 PM

all of you need to calm down, his milling's will never be as good as my spyder pilot, with the ACS bolt (light years ahead of eyes) and oled
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:43 PM

I'm not sure what your point is here. Bob Long already does that. Remember the Marq 6, Marq 7, Marq Rapper, and the Marq Closer? Or are you saying that other companies don't change the looks of their guns at all when they update the guns per generation, and that the milling is identical for all generations?


Whoah whoah whoah, you just listed 4 guns (omitting some) that were the same generation of marker...
To compare blast's options for milling and anno choices for each generation of marker to any other company is simply unfair.

Example, if you like the generation 6 intimidator you have your choice of g6r, flame, dragon, status, g, tactical, phoenix (am I forgetting one?) In any color you want, litterally any color combo with the physical limits of annodizing. If we look to the 3rd generationg geo you have a stock choice of 8 color combos and one milling (that I'm aware of as typing this, there may be 2 or 3 if you include 3rd party companies that make various "L.E." versions.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 06:54 PM



I'm not sure what your point is here. Bob Long already does that. Remember the Marq 6, Marq 7, Marq Rapper, and the Marq Closer? Or are you saying that other companies don't change the looks of their guns at all when they update the guns per generation, and that the milling is identical for all generations?


Whoah whoah whoah, you just listed 4 guns (omitting some) that were the same generation of marker...
To compare blast's options for milling and anno choices for each generation of marker to any other company is simply unfair.

Example, if you like the generation 6 intimidator you have your choice of g6r, flame, dragon, status, g, tactical, phoenix (am I forgetting one?) In any color you want, litterally any color combo with the physical limits of annodizing. If we look to the 3rd generationg geo you have a stock choice of 8 color combos and one milling (that I'm aware of as typing this, there may be 2 or 3 if you include 3rd party companies that make various "L.E." versions.



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Posted 20 April 2013 - 07:23 PM


I'm not sure what your point is here. Bob Long already does that. Remember the Marq 6, Marq 7, Marq Rapper, and the Marq Closer? Or are you saying that other companies don't change the looks of their guns at all when they update the guns per generation, and that the milling is identical for all generations?


Whoah whoah whoah, you just listed 4 guns (omitting some) that were the same generation of marker...
To compare blast's options for milling and anno choices for each generation of marker to any other company is simply unfair.

Except for, you know, the proficiency engine, Supercharged engine, pillow bolt, 4c eyes, LPR slot, new style ASAs, etc. Even though technically they're the same generation, a Closer is in no way the same gun as a Marq 6. It is essentially a "new" marq compared to the 6. I posit that Bob Long does do incremental releases just like other companies, except he doesn't call them new guns.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:20 PM

the difference between a marq and a DM is that a Marq is a platform gun... much like the Luxe... generation to generation the guns work on teh same basic engine, but small changes are made to improve them... and, all pgrades are retroactive to previous generations... i can go buy a marq 6 and slap a supercharged PE engine in it and it will shoot just like the victory, minus the macroless design...

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:22 PM

the difference between a marq and a DM is that a Marq is a platform gun... much like the Luxe... generation to generation the guns work on teh same basic engine, but small changes are made to improve them... and, all pgrades are retroactive to previous generations... i can go buy a marq 6 and slap a supercharged PE engine in it and it will shoot just like the victory, minus the macroless design...

and, above all else... bobs stuff is still Made in America...


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 09:12 PM


the difference between a marq and a DM is that a Marq is a platform gun... much like the Luxe... generation to generation the guns work on teh same basic engine, but small changes are made to improve them... and, all pgrades are retroactive to previous generations... i can go buy a marq 6 and slap a supercharged PE engine in it and it will shoot just like the victory, minus the macroless design...

and, above all else... bobs stuff is still Made in America...


MERICA!!!!!!! FUCK YA!!!!!


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 09:52 PM

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 11:06 PM

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 11:27 PM


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