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Posted 02 April 2013 - 06:53 PM

I really wanna try pump play but I don't wanna spend more than $200 to do it. I only wanna buy new out of personal preference. From what I've seen I only like the azodin kaos pump in this price range. What advice can you guys give me? Thank you for the help guys.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 07:00 PM

ANS sells a complete sniper for around $180.


I HIGHLY suggest used but that is my preference. Even if you get a broken marker (does not happen if you buy from TechPB) it is really fun to break the marker apart and diagnose the problem. If you constantly do that, it gets easier to fix your markers and makes it easier to understand how paintball markers work.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 07:08 PM

Who makes that sniper? I know empires sniper is like $500 and that would be my choice if cost wasn't a concern.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 07:09 PM

paintballgateway.com also sells BNIB(Brand new in box) Snipers for only $180.

If you don't like pump... well resell value on pump guns is excellent. Usually around 85%-90% Retail... hell take care of you marker and you may get 95% resell value(buy it for $180 and sell it for $170)

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:22 PM

paintballgateway.com also sells BNIB(Brand new in box) Snipers for only $180.

If you don't like pump... well resell value on pump guns is excellent. Usually around 85%-90% Retail... hell take care of you marker and you may get 95% resell value(buy it for $180 and sell it for $170)

are we talking WGP snipers or Empire snipers?

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:46 PM


paintballgateway.com also sells BNIB(Brand new in box) Snipers for only $180.

If you don't like pump... well resell value on pump guns is excellent. Usually around 85%-90% Retail... hell take care of you marker and you may get 95% resell value(buy it for $180 and sell it for $170)

are we talking WGP snipers or Empire snipers?

WGP snipers

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:32 PM

What's the one on ANS?

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:34 PM

why dont you try and barrow one for a few games?
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:36 PM

Because no one I know has a pump of any kind.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:38 PM

By the way I love the video you did with stick to drum about paint quality. I found it really informative.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:41 PM



paintballgateway.com also sells BNIB(Brand new in box) Snipers for only $180.

If you don't like pump... well resell value on pump guns is excellent. Usually around 85%-90% Retail... hell take care of you marker and you may get 95% resell value(buy it for $180 and sell it for $170)

are we talking WGP snipers or Empire snipers?

WGP snipers

http://www.paintball...psnpugun2k.html

badass man, if i had money, an autococker barrel, and pneumatics id grab one (not a fan of pump, mech is the perfect mix of challenge and benefits)

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:44 PM

Buy a used trilogy or sniper.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:48 PM

Buy a used trilogy or sniper.

ive considered, but my brother (pump player) has a silver PB lightning cocker, he pumped it but it had dye pneus. its badass with the mech setup. i wish i had something to trade for.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:35 PM

Buy a used trilogy or sniper.


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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:41 PM


Buy a used trilogy or sniper.

ive considered, but my brother (pump player) has a silver PB lightning cocker, he pumped it but it had dye pneus. its badass with the mech setup.i wish i had something to trade for

Cockers are only cool if they are pretty. Lightnings, Karnis, and my personal favorite, the DC2. i almost jizzed in my pants the first time i saw a dc2. sexiest gun EVER MADE in my opinion, along with the ego 9 and DP g3. its so simple, but sooo sexy. trillys are not sexy. the snipers on gateway are ok, cool but not sexy.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:47 PM

if you can't find a trilogy just get a KP, theres nothing wrong with them

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:24 PM

Because no one I know has a pump of any kind.


So you cannot borrow one to try.
I can understand that.

But you have to understand that pumps are the simplest form of marker out there.
There are no electronics that can go bad, no rams or solenoids that might blow a seal...
There is nothing in a used pump that cannot be fixed for the cost of a set of springs and some O-rings.

That's even if there is anything wrong with it to begin with. Many buy pumps new, then sell them within a year just to get the money to buy something else.
I guess what I'm saying is go used for your first pump. You'll save a ton of money on the initial cost, and that can go towards rebuild/upgrade to personalise it & make it what you want.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:28 PM

if you can't find a trilogy just get a KP, theres nothing wrong with them


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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:28 PM


Because no one I know has a pump of any kind.


So you cannot borrow one to try.
I can understand that.

But you have to understand that pumps are the simplest form of marker out there.
There are no electronics that can go bad, no rams or solenoids that might blow a seal...
There is nothing in a used pump that cannot be fixed for the cost of a set of springs and some O-rings.

That's even if there is anything wrong with it to begin with. Many buy pumps new, then sell them within a year just to get the money to buy something else.
I guess what I'm saying is go used for your first pump. You'll save a ton of money on the initial cost, and that can go towards rebuild/upgrade to personalise it & make it what you want.

I might have to buy used. With azodin restructuring the kp supply might have dried up already.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:21 AM


if you can't find a trilogy just get a KP, theres nothing wrong with them

not pretty, and i dont want a pump. i want the lightning with pneumatics, because i hate pump. mech? i like. electro? i like. but pump? i suck at it and i dont like the idea of limiting myself.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:56 AM

It's because you're not OP on the field with an electro or mech yet.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:48 PM



if you can't find a trilogy just get a KP, theres nothing wrong with them

not pretty, and i dont want a pump. i want the lightning with pneumatics, because i hate pump. mech? i like. electro? i like. but pump? i suck at it and i dont like the idea of limiting myself.

If you play pump and dont want to limit yourself...


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:10 PM

Have you considered a phantom. They been around since the 80s nearly unchanged and are still in production (ain't broke don't fix it). And being Nelson based they offer better efficency and factory auto trigger. For a new open class setup they run around $200. They also offer far more variety one gun can be run as stock class modified stock class and open class. And they can be had in soooooo many sweet colours and designs. Oh and they offer a much smaller profile to Sheridan/Sniper based setups.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:39 PM

I can't believe I didn't say this yet...


Go to your local Walmart and buy a Jt Z200

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:41 PM

TippmannPlayer it doesn't limit you. It makes you enhance basic paintball skills and teaches you not to rely on accuracy by volume. You can still go in with a normal hopper and 4 for pods in case shit happens.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:02 PM

TippmannPlayer it doesn't limit you. It makes you enhance basic paintball skills and teaches you not to rely on accuracy by volume. You can still go in with a normal hopper and 4 for pods in case shit happens.

its not limited ammo im worried about, i wouldnt mind a gun similar to a crossover in that you could flip a switch in game and go between pump and mech, i want the option in case i get overwhelmed. since i like to play speedball/hyperball (because i, suprisingly, use less paint) i like to use suppression fire for the other guys who are faster than me. im 5'8, 180 lbs, so im not exactly the fastest guy on the field. that said im no back player, firing pod upon pod, burning lanes from the back of the snake. i wouldnt mind a pump in the woods, but on speedball, i would never touch a pump unless its, say, a pump only tourney.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:05 PM

I'm trying to get the pump for the woods only. I have my axe for speedball.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:11 PM

I'm trying to get the pump for the woods only. I have my axe for speedball.

cci phantom, lapco grey ghost, pumped autococker. from hearing my brother droning on about pump ive heard compliments directed towards those. but for my personal opinion on coolness factor? an old ass nelspot, pgp, or legit og trracer. not the new empire bt one. the old pmi one. old guns are cool

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:21 PM


I'm trying to get the pump for the woods only. I have my axe for speedball.

cci phantom, lapco grey ghost, pumped autococker. from hearing my brother droning on about pump ive heard compliments directed towards those. but for my personal opinion on coolness factor? an old ass nelspot, pgp, or legit og trracer. not the new empire bt one. the old pmi one. old guns are cool

Old guns are old. New guns man... next gen.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:34 PM



I'm trying to get the pump for the woods only. I have my axe for speedball.

cci phantom, lapco grey ghost, pumped autococker. from hearing my brother droning on about pump ive heard compliments directed towards those. but for my personal opinion on coolness factor? an old ass nelspot, pgp, or legit og trracer. not the new empire bt one. the old pmi one. old guns are cool

Old guns are old. New guns man... next gen.

old guns are boss.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:52 PM

Old guns can be a lot of fun. Heck three of my guns are older than many people here on this forum. But newer stuff does have merit especially for a new play to the genre.

Pump is A LOT of fun. I been shooting pump since I started playing Paintball in the late 90s. And one can shoot a pump on the speedball field in fact in some ways the super small profile helps. In one game playing 5man. I managed to take out two opposing players (who were running semi auto electros) before getting eliminated myself. I was playing against competitive local turny guys and I was shooting a BONE STOCK PGP2K cause I only had a little paint left and wanted to keep playing. i even managed that without reloading, So two players using a stockclass pump pistol with under 10rnds.

Are there far more impressive feats sure. Have nearly any one done better using an electro probly. Will you Remeber that game in 5-6 years, prolly not. Pump is just more engaging more raw, And when things go well its very memorable.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:04 PM

I actually like the Nelson style pumps a lot (phantom, trracer, etc)

The Empire re-hash of the Trracer isn't bad. I like mine a lot. Biggest reason I like the new trracer over the old one or the phantom:

1. Autococker threaded barrel
2. The BT-style feedneck means it's extremely easy to swap between hopper and a stick feed (use the BT SA-17 mag and it's perfect. Either use it with the spring in it or remove the spring for true "stock class" type feeding).

Just make sure you have a barrel kit because you will have roll outs if you don't. But this is true for pretty much every pump I can think of.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:30 PM


TippmannPlayer it doesn't limit you. It makes you enhance basic paintball skills and teaches you not to rely on accuracy by volume. You can still go in with a normal hopper and 4 for pods in case shit happens.

its not limited ammo im worried about, i wouldnt mind a gun similar to a crossover in that you could flip a switch in game and go between pump and mech, i want the option in case i get overwhelmed. since i like to play speedball/hyperball (because i, suprisingly, use less paint) i like to use suppression fire for the other guys who are faster than me. im 5'8, 180 lbs, so im not exactly the fastest guy on the field. that said im no back player, firing pod upon pod, burning lanes from the back of the snake. i wouldnt mind a pump in the woods, but on speedball, i would never touch a pump unless its, say, a pump only tourney.

Pump makes you extremely good at snapping if you play d-side and really makes you work on your timing if you play snake. Its an awesome tool to train yourself to be better at airball.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:32 PM



TippmannPlayer it doesn't limit you. It makes you enhance basic paintball skills and teaches you not to rely on accuracy by volume. You can still go in with a normal hopper and 4 for pods in case shit happens.

its not limited ammo im worried about, i wouldnt mind a gun similar to a crossover in that you could flip a switch in game and go between pump and mech, i want the option in case i get overwhelmed. since i like to play speedball/hyperball (because i, suprisingly, use less paint) i like to use suppression fire for the other guys who are faster than me. im 5'8, 180 lbs, so im not exactly the fastest guy on the field. that said im no back player, firing pod upon pod, burning lanes from the back of the snake. i wouldnt mind a pump in the woods, but on speedball, i would never touch a pump unless its, say, a pump only tourney.

Pump makes you extremely good at snapping if you play d-side and really makes you work on your timing if you play snake. Its an awesome tool to train yourself to be better at airball.

i play d side, usually d5 or d4 off break, and i dont snap shoot. i hate it and ive seen people do it and it looks ridiculous. that said, in apump only tourney id be running straight up d side, shooting everyone and being the badass with a 007




TippmannPlayer it doesn't limit you. It makes you enhance basic paintball skills and teaches you not to rely on accuracy by volume. You can still go in with a normal hopper and 4 for pods in case shit happens.

its not limited ammo im worried about, i wouldnt mind a gun similar to a crossover in that you could flip a switch in game and go between pump and mech, i want the option in case i get overwhelmed. since i like to play speedball/hyperball (because i, suprisingly, use less paint) i like to use suppression fire for the other guys who are faster than me. im 5'8, 180 lbs, so im not exactly the fastest guy on the field. that said im no back player, firing pod upon pod, burning lanes from the back of the snake. i wouldnt mind a pump in the woods, but on speedball, i would never touch a pump unless its, say, a pump only tourney.

Pump makes you extremely good at snapping if you play d-side and really makes you work on your timing if you play snake. Its an awesome tool to train yourself to be better at airball.

i play d side, usually d5 or d4 off break, and i dont snap shoot. i hate it and ive seen people do it and it looks ridiculous. that said, in apump only tourney id be running straight up d side, shooting everyone and being the badass with a 007

also we hijacked this thread soooo bad

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:38 PM

Bro, you'll never be a true good player if you don't like nor know how to snapshot. It is quintessential to winning gun fights. A stream of paint can only keep a good player down for a few seconds.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 12:13 AM



if you can't find a trilogy just get a KP, theres nothing wrong with them

not pretty, and i dont want a pump. i want the lightning with pneumatics, because i hate pump. mech? i like. electro? i like. but pump? i suck at it and i dont like the idea of limiting myself.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 07:54 AM

If youre worried about shooting lanes a lot get a pump with A/T. And practice jerking it a lot.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 08:25 AM

Bro, you'll never be a true good player if you don't like nor know how to snapshot. It is quintessential to winning gun fights. A stream of paint can only keep a good player down for a few seconds.

i tried one time and i always snap out into a lane. i play speedball like i play in the woods. works fairly well

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:46 AM

Then obviously you didnt play against good enough people. Snapshooting is a quintessential skill to be learned by any paintballer.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:55 AM

And for that matter snap shooting is every bit as important in the woods as a speedball feild.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:01 AM

As I said pump makes you further enhance your basic needed skills and reaches you to not rely on technology to make up for any lack of skill one has as a player. After 3 years in this sport there's still some primary fundamentals that I'm lacking and some bad habits I wanna train out of my game.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:33 PM

Then obviously you didnt play against good enough people. Snapshooting is a quintessential skill to be learned by any paintballer.

D4 team practicing, vs Me with a crossover, my brother with his pump, a random dude with a mini and his friend with a shocker which didnt work. and what i do is i pop out shoot at a guy whos out, if i hit him, i watch for other shots and if im clear i move up. if i miss i pop back in and shoot from the other side if possible, or from a lower/higher stance. but i dont pop out, shoot once and pop back in like i see others do

edit: by out i mean someone i have a shot on, not an eliminated player

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:40 PM

Thats gun battling and domination, refered to my teammates as 'bitch making'. But snapshooting is the basis of that. Especially if you're in intense situations in relatively close places, you may only get one or two shots out.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:46 PM

Thats gun battling and domination, refered to my teammates as 'bitch making'. But snapshooting is the basis of that. Especially if you're in intense situations in relatively close places, you may only get one or two shots out.

Apparently, accoring to my brother, who knows everything about paintball and is the best player out there, anyone who shoots more than once or twice in snapping is, and i quote, "a bitch who cant snap right and its bitch snapping". true story.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:48 PM

Not relatively true, but if you're putting out so many rounds while snapping, without knowing how to actually snapshoot, you're just covering up that lack of skill that will eventually bite you on your ass during games.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:55 PM

Not relatively true, but if you're putting out so many rounds while snapping, without knowing how to actually snapshoot, you're just covering up that lack of skill that will eventually bite you on your ass during games.

5-8 isnt that bad i dont think. and when i play mech with my crossover i do two shots. not 1, not 3, 2.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:13 PM


Not relatively true, but if you're putting out so many rounds while snapping, without knowing how to actually snapshoot, you're just covering up that lack of skill that will eventually bite you on your ass during games.

5-8 isnt that bad i dont think. and when i play mech with my crossover i do two shots. not 1, not 3, 2.

It is actually. You'd be surprised. The reason why pump players might possibly be better than you at snapshooting is because that is what their form of play relies nearly entirely on. And it's proven. It takes longer to get back in behind a bunker when shooting 3-5 round versus the time it takes for one shot. I always lose against the good snap shooting players because they get me with one shot when I try to put 3-5 out quickly, and they escape safely while I escape the field in shame.

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