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Poll: Ccm vs sniper (23 member(s) have cast votes)

Which is better

  1. Ccm t2 (18 votes [78.26%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 78.26%

  2. Empire sniper (3 votes [13.04%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.04%

  3. build your own (2 votes [8.70%] - View)

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#1 weekendwarriorPB

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:32 PM

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:35 PM

CCM is better in every way imaginable (maybe excluding cost) my vote: CCM
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:37 PM

CCM is better in every way imaginable (maybe excluding cost) my vote: CCM

Why though does it have a smoother shot or what cause I am getting either a ccm or a sniper and everyone is 50/50 on what marker is better

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:40 PM


CCM is better in every way imaginable (maybe excluding cost) my vote: CCM

Why though does it have a smoother shot or what cause I am getting either a ccm or a sniper and everyone is 50/50 on what marker is better

smoother pump stroke, smoother and quieter shot, better ergonomics (grip frame and pump handle) smoother auto trigger, i believe it is also lighter. pretty much 100% better overall construction.
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:42 PM

I really don't care about the auto trigger, and is it true it takes a month to get a t2 from ccm?

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:44 PM

I really don't care about the auto trigger, and is it true it takes a month to get a t2 from ccm?

With the huge waiting list over the J12 it could possibly be much longer

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:45 PM


CCM is better in every way imaginable (maybe excluding cost) my vote: CCM

Why though does it have a smoother shot or what cause I am getting either a ccm or a sniper and everyone is 50/50 on what marker is better

If you dont know whats best about a CCM you arent ready for one/dont need one. Pick up an Autococker with a CCM pump kit on it instead for about a third of the price.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:45 PM

I really don't care about the auto trigger, and is it true it takes a month to get a t2 from ccm?

give or take, could be twice or three times as long. when you order you're put on a waiting list just like everyone else. keep in mind thought that you're getting a handmade pump made from the highest quality materials made to fit your specifications. you could get each individual part a different color if you wanted to, along with a full barrel kit.


just buy something like this

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i got it for 180$ it has CCM parts and works fine. you don't need to spend 600 or 700$ on a pump when ones like these are readily available

Edited by LUXOR54, 06 May 2013 - 09:48 PM.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:48 PM



CCM is better in every way imaginable (maybe excluding cost) my vote: CCM

Why though does it have a smoother shot or what cause I am getting either a ccm or a sniper and everyone is 50/50 on what marker is better

If you dont know whats best about a CCM you arent ready for one/dont need one. Pick up an Autococker with a CCM pump kit on it instead for about a third of the price.

I have had 3 cocker pumps and just looking to step up my game with pumps.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:50 PM


I really don't care about the auto trigger, and is it true it takes a month to get a t2 from ccm?

give or take, could be twice or three times as long. when you order you're put on a waiting list just like everyone else. keep in mind thought that you're getting a handmade pump made from the highest quality materials made to fit your specifications. you could get each individual part a different color if you wanted to, along with a full barrel kit.


just buy something like this

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i got it for 180$ it has CCM parts and works fine. you don't need to spend 600 or 700$ on a pump when ones like these are readily available

Have had other cockers just looking to get a better pump because I have sold all my electors and have the money lying around.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:52 PM




CCM is better in every way imaginable (maybe excluding cost) my vote: CCM

Why though does it have a smoother shot or what cause I am getting either a ccm or a sniper and everyone is 50/50 on what marker is better

If you dont know whats best about a CCM you arent ready for one/dont need one. Pick up an Autococker with a CCM pump kit on it instead for about a third of the price.

I have had 3 cocker pumps and just looking to step up my game with pumps.


they all work essentially the same. just keep them clean and they work fine. a CCM won't really step up from anything, it's a luxury item. i can do the same thing with a rail as i can with a luxe, the luxe is just better looking, more prestigious, and awesome looking. but in the end you're still doing the same thing
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:54 PM

Very true but I do need a new pump I sold all of my cockers, and electors to get a nicer pump

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:55 PM

Very true but I do need a new pump I sold all of my cockers, and electors to get a nicer pump


couldn't hurt to look around the used market for a CCM.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:25 AM

You did not say wether you wanted your pump gun to have soul so if you want a totally custom anodized, part specific, badass ccm that screams how awesome of a pump player you are go with the t2. However if you are a speedballer who wouldn't mind trying pump, I'd go with the sniper. Cheaper, functional, but not unique and have no fun in them. I played at a field absolutely full of pump snobs, where everybody had snipers and one guy had a t2 in pink and green, proflexes in pink and green, jersey in pink and green, and it was just his unique show. If that's what you like... T2 all the way

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:14 PM

You did not say wether you wanted your pump gun to have soul so if you want a totally custom anodized, part specific, badass ccm that screams how awesome of a pump player you are go with the t2. However if you are a speedballer who wouldn't mind trying pump, I'd go with the sniper. Cheaper, functional, but not unique and have no fun in them. I played at a field absolutely full of pump snobs, where everybody had snipers and one guy had a t2 in pink and green, proflexes in pink and green, jersey in pink and green, and it was just his unique show. If that's what you like... T2 all the way

^yea that would be the only reason that I would go with the ccm

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:25 PM

The CCM is to a Sniper II or Empire Sniper what a Luxe is to a Shocker SFT or NXT basically.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:21 PM

The CCM is to a Sniper II or Empire Sniper what a Luxe is to a Shocker SFT or NXT basically.

Good analogy.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:48 PM

Both are nice markers for the money. If you can afford the CCM it is worth every penny.

If you choose the T2, you may consider ordering on without a barrel and getting a Deadlywind Fibur, it is a high quality carbon fiber barrel that uses Freak inserts. I have a 10" on mine and I think it is the best choice for this great marker, especially if you use a 13/3000 tank and a small gravity feeder.

If you choose the Sniper it is a great kit right from the box, my friend has one, it works great, very smooth action, very good shot on shot consistency, a much better choice than some lesser pumps as there is no need to upgrade anything.

Again, both good choices, as usual , you get what you pay for....good luck!

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:56 PM

I say get a Disruptive barrel and color match it to your gun. Carbon fiber barrels only really look nicest on black or gray guns.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 11:19 PM

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:43 AM

Azodin kaos pump!!! haha that or i would go with the sniper. barrel kit, stock class and hopper feed, cheaper, plus why would anyone spend 600 on a pump gun? i dont get it. for 300 you could make a Lightning shoot the same or better.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:46 AM

No you cant. You obviously dont know pump play. What you're saying is like saying an ion will be the same as using a Clone GT.

Go with the CCm if you're willing to fork out the cash, because it's the best.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:48 AM

Wonder why someone pays close to $700 on a pump is ridiculous. :dodgy:

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:05 PM

a sniper will be more bang for you buck.... ccm pumps are nice, but they dont shoot any better then an empire sniper of a sniper you build yourself... i've shot plenty of snipers, from empire, to wgp and ccm... and while i've tossed around the ise of buying a ccm pump, i cant justify it based on performance over the mini orracle i built myself...

a ccm pump will not be more quit or smoother then an empire sniper... the pump stroke itself might be smoother, but thats not something i've ever noticed while playing... hell, the pump stoke on my orry is gritty compared to a ccm (sanchez machine dual pump arm set up), yet i dont notice it while playing... when it comes to pumps, efficiency will be based on how you tune it, feel will be based on the pump kit and trigger frame you choose... but over all, they will get teh same efficiency, and shoot the same volume wise... a sniper is a sniper, doesnt matter who makes it

No you cant. You obviously dont know pump play. What you're saying is like saying an ion will be the same as using a Clone GT.

Go with the CCm if you're willing to fork out the cash, because it's the best.


i am gonna go out on a branch and say you are the one that doesnt know jack shit about pumps.... i can take a lightening body, put CCM internals in it, with an 86 or 45 frame, and a ccm pump kit kit, and guess what.... it will shoot the same as a ccm pump gun, the only difference will be the body milling....

a sniper is a sniper... while some internals may be better then others, you can take a low end cocker like the lightening and put high end ccm parts in it and make it shoot like a ccm gun.... thats the beauty of pump... you can build a truely high end gu out of any cocker body you want... the reason CCm guns are so damn expensive is becuase they are custom guns... hand made to order.... thats going to cost a pretty penny if you want special colors and all the ad ons and shit...

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:27 PM

All this stuff


OEF beat me to it.

The empire sniper is an Awesome package for the price, And even if you built your own pumped cocker you would still be in and around the same price range. (assuming you didn't have an amazing barrel kit and a 10 ball spring feed in it also)

A CCM is a high quality build, the Empire sniper, and a CCM in a shot to shot comparison wont blow one or the other away, when you pull the trigger they both shoot at the same level of accuracy. however the CCM will have a smoother pump, and the parts will feel better made, because they are, and that is why your spending another 250$.

To be honest, unless your a hardcore pumper, if you want a marker that shoots and works great for your price, the sniper is one of the best price versus what you get deals

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 01:54 PM

Regardless of my lack of knowledge for pumps, as I stand corrected, the ccm does look more modern and more high end.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 02:16 PM

a ccm is a high end pump... but it wont perform any better then a mid end or low end pump

thats the beauty of pump

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:46 PM

*cough*mvp*cough*

^yea I kinda forgot about mvps

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:01 PM

An to everyone saying why would I spend 700 on a pump why do people buy 1000+ dollar markers? It's because when I go paintballing on Sunday's I play for fun not super competitive in paintball so why not play (in my eyes) with the coolest paintball markers out there, PUMPS!

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:06 PM

all said and done i've got about 500 invested in my mini orracle pump.... and it performs, in my eyes, better then any CCM i've shot.... gets plenty of compliments as well.... i just hope you are not basing your views off price... if you like the looks and feel of a CCM, then by all means get one, but dont think that jsut becuase they are the most expensive they are the best...
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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:09 PM

all said and done i've got about 500 invested in my mini orracle pump.... and it performs, in my eyes, better then any CCM i've shot.... gets plenty of compliments as well.... i just hope you are not basing your views off price... if you like the looks and feel of a CCM, then by all means get one, but dont think that jsut becuase they are the most expensive they are the best...

No I am not but I really just like how custom you can get ccm's and I really don't want to get a marker and upgrade it right away

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:34 PM

if you build your own pump you can get it as custom as you want, and usually for less then a CCM with all the goodies...
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Posted 08 May 2013 - 08:00 PM

if you build your own pump you can get it as custom as you want, and usually for less then a CCM with all the goodies...

I am talking about the body, my main colors are orange and pink, no autococker has that color body

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 08:06 PM

get teh body anodized... paying a company like caustic customs to anodize your body is no different them getting customs colors from BL or CCM.... hell, you can get even more creative with an aftermarket anodizer... acid wash, splash, "blood spallter" all kinds of cool effects....
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Posted 08 May 2013 - 08:33 PM

See that's just one more thing I would née to do though

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 08:55 PM

I love my Sniper (Empire that is). I have never shot a CCM, but everything about the sniper is perfect for me. Pump stroke's great, comes with a barrel kit (sorta), and it is much cheaper than a CCM. So basically, do you want to pay a lot for a custom made pump, or not a lot for a factory-made, ready to be shipped pump that works just as well.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 09:06 PM

if you find a MVP for pretty cheap(under $525) you really wont regret it. Most of the MVP Bashing comes from pumpers that can't play without a fore grip or a hit man mod. I took a huge roll of the Dice with my MVP and holy cow has it payed off more than I ever imagined. I'm thinking of buying another one, just to let people play with(loaner one). Also the MVP is VERY VERY light, people who have picked me entire set-up are wowed by how light it is.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:57 PM

if you find a MVP for pretty cheap(under $525) you really wont regret it. Most of the MVP Bashing comes from pumpers that can't play without a fore grip or a hit man mod. I took a huge roll of the Dice with my MVP and holy cow has it payed off more than I ever imagined. I'm thinking of buying another one, just to let people play with(loaner one). Also the MVP is VERY VERY light, people who have picked me entire set-up are wowed by how light it is.

Were would I find one for under 525

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:15 PM

they were marked down in price new to 600... so i would look for a used MVP.... if thats the route you want to go
Shocktech Aftershock SFL team cocker, serial number 1
Mini Orracle pump, Eclipse internals, Sanchez Machine pump kit and grip frame
Mossberg 500 ZMB

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 06:13 PM

they were marked down in price new to 600... so i would look for a used MVP.... if thats the route you want to go

It's not really the route I want to go though

fep quest!: http://www.techpb.co...howtopic=222650

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