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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:15 PM

I don't know why there's so much hate for the MINI. Yea, the trigger's a little sloppy but this is a good gun at a good price if you're wanting to buy new like I did. I haven't had any malfunctions with it and the build quality is really nice, IMO. I considered going used but this comes with a lifetime warranty through the pro shop I bought it from. And being a new player like I am, maybe one day I'll have lost the weight and be fast on my feet and good enough at this to justify a better marker for a reason other than "It's shiny and I like it" but until then, I think this marker suits my needs just fine. I think people are too caught up in "For the same price, you can get a used Axe" and have gotten away from what the MINI is: something that occupies a market niche.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:24 PM

There are better markers at that price bracket (new or used) that have better triggers and more features. The mini just doesn't compete in its price range any more, and it never will because it has been left in the dust after the introduction of the axe.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:24 PM

Now you know what it's like to be a Dangerous Power fan.

OT - The Mini is a fine little gun. The engine is pretty good, but the shape of the gun itself, especially with that battery/board front grip just doesn't feel good to me.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:26 PM

Its not that people hate the mini, as much as we like other things more
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:27 PM

The mini is a great gun and blows everything in the price range out of the water.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:27 PM

I honestly liked the mini's trigger and stuff its great and feels good in my hands, but it needs to be bigger. maybe its because im big, or everyone feels like this, but that thing is tiny. however i saw the extenders for the board/battery thing and somewhat regretted trading my olive one off for my crossover

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:28 PM

There are better markers at that price bracket (new or used) that have better triggers and more features. The mini just doesn't compete in its price range any more, and it never will because it has been left in the dust after the introduction of the axe.

And none of them have the form factor the Mini does, and few (none?) are macroless. Find another $200-300 marker that is macroless, compact, reliable, and moderately simple to maintain.

Its like this site has never heard of the word "niche". This isn't a marker for everyone, but to universally pan the Mini is doing a disservice to the gun. It is just a gun you HAVE to hold before you buy.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:28 PM

The mini is a great gun and blows everything in the price range out of the water.

disagree. i like the G4 better by a long shot and the crossover is great, but i prefer the feel of the mini

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:29 PM

What's up with the Mini hate, whats up with the G5 hate, what's up with the *insert item here * hate. It's just that people have preferences, most people have them. Just because it's not yours doesnt mean everyone is wrong.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:33 PM

What's up with the Mini hate, whats up with the G5 hate, what's up with the *insert item here * hate. It's just that people have preferences, most people have them. Just because it's not yours doesnt mean everyone is wrong.

There's a difference between "I don't like XYZ." and "The mini is a bad gun with a shitty trigger. Don't buy it."

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:33 PM

My pet peeve was with every new gen of mini they didn't point out the "upgrade" from the previous gen. People didn't notice the difference until they started pulling them apart and comparing the engines

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:35 PM

'Hey I bought X gun and don't like people hating on it.'

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:39 PM


There are better markers at that price bracket (new or used) that have better triggers and more features. The mini just doesn't compete in its price range any more, and it never will because it has been left in the dust after the introduction of the axe.

And none of them have the form factor the Mini does, and few (none?) are macroless. Find another $200-300 marker that is macroless, compact, reliable, and moderately simple to maintain.

Its like this site has never heard of the word "niche". This isn't a marker for everyone, but to universally pan the Mini is doing a disservice to the gun. It is just a gun you HAVE to hold before you buy.

Yes but there are guns in that range with an on/off ASA, which is ridiculous for the mini not to have. And for people that play semi having a decent trigger is a pretty big deal. If you're just going to ramp, the trigger on the mini is fine.

There's nothing really "wrong" about the mini, but it is just lacking against its competition. I wouldn't argue that having a gun that is at a disadvantage for semiautomatic play is a "niche" market.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:40 PM

I have had one of just about everything. And for some reason I always go back to eteks and egos. Just good solid dependable guns. People on this forum hate then. I love them simple logic says to each his own.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:44 PM

I have had one of just about everything. And for some reason I always go back to eteks and egos. Just good solid dependable guns. People on this forum hate then. I love them simple logic says to each his own.

There's always a group on every forum that hates the shit out of a particular gun. I've tumbled across pockets of people that can't stand the axe while the majority seem to like it. Just like you said, to each his own.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:52 PM


What's up with the Mini hate, whats up with the G5 hate, what's up with the *insert item here * hate. It's just that people have preferences, most people have them. Just because it's not yours doesnt mean everyone is wrong.

There's a difference between "I don't like XYZ." and "The mini is a bad gun with a shitty trigger. Don't buy it."


G5 has crap efficency and may require some messing around with to get working, dont buy it.. The eXTCy is heavy and looks ugly, dont buy it.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:54 PM

G5 has crap efficency and may require some messing around with to get working, dont buy it.

Can you provide examples of the efficiency and what you have to do to get it working?

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:59 PM


G5 has crap efficency and may require some messing around with to get working, dont buy it.

Can you provide examples of the efficiency and what you have to do to get it working?


I'm joking, I'm just saying what I hear people say about other G guns since I'm not familiar with the G5 in particular. I actually like the G3 and G4 and wouldn't mind owning one. Same with an F8, FX, Threshold or Rev-i.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:00 PM



G5 has crap efficency and may require some messing around with to get working, dont buy it.

Can you provide examples of the efficiency and what you have to do to get it working?

I'm joking, I'm just saying what I hear people say about other G guns since I'm not familiar with the G5 in particular. I actually like the G3 and G4 and wouldn't mind owning one. Same with an F8, FX, Threshold or Rev-i.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:04 PM

Yes but there are guns in that range with an on/off ASA, which is ridiculous for the mini not to have. And for people that play semi having a decent trigger is a pretty big deal. If you're just going to ramp, the trigger on the mini is fine.

There's nothing really "wrong" about the mini, but it is just lacking against its competition. I wouldn't argue that having a gun that is at a disadvantage for semiautomatic play is a "niche" market.

Again, I don't think you understand what niche means. Are there people that value compactness more than trigger responsiveness? Obviously, since there are a bunch of people that own Minis and love them, even after having used other markers with better triggers.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:07 PM

'Hey I bought X gun and don't like people hating on it.'


It's not that I don't like people hating on it. I bought what I bought and I'm not gonna get rid of it because someone says it's shit. I was just trying to understand the seemingly disproportionate amount towards the MINI. I see the same thing about the DP guns, too. I almost bought a G5 but I liked the way the MINI felt when I handled it. I just don't quite get what SO bad about it. But I like my old ass Spyder Xtra, too so you may be right.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:12 PM



Yes but there are guns in that range with an on/off ASA, which is ridiculous for the mini not to have. And for people that play semi having a decent trigger is a pretty big deal. If you're just going to ramp, the trigger on the mini is fine.

There's nothing really "wrong" about the mini, but it is just lacking against its competition. I wouldn't argue that having a gun that is at a disadvantage for semiautomatic play is a "niche" market.

Again, I don't think you understand what niche means. Are there people that value compactness more than trigger responsiveness? Obviously, since there are a bunch of people that own Minis and love them, even after having used other markers with better triggers.

If someone really values compactness they would be better off buying a marker made during the time where the goal was to have a more compact marker. Autocockers are a prime example of this time. They were relatively small, and with things such as drop forwards everyone was trying to make them even smaller. But even with this small size they still had the basics of being a decent paintball gun such as a good trigger.

Buying into a niche doesn't have to mean putting oneself at a disadvantage.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:13 PM

People hate the mini because most think they should be getting a lot more for their money. New price, sure there are better things on the market but used theyre dirt cheap and perform very very well for dirt cheap.

If it shoots 300fps, follows tournament rules, is easy to work on, and you like it that is all that matters. Everything else is just paying for shiny stuff. You really can't go wrong with a mini if you're not all about buying the latest "shiny" thing and with a phenominal customer support like kee in case you can't figure something out yourself, you're still gettinvmore than what you pay for.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:14 PM

There are better markers at that price bracket (new or used) that have better triggers and more features. The mini just doesn't compete in its price range any more, and it never will because it has been left in the dust after the introduction of the axe.



What other guns should I have looked at? Not being snide or anything, just really curious about options. I said in another post that I looked at a DP G5 and I believe it had an on/off ASA and no macro line and AVID had it for the same price as the MINI. The guy at the counter didn't recommend it, though. I've already decided that the next time I buy a gun, I'm asking for suggestions and then going to Google to read about features. I really probably should have done that before buying the MINI but I liked it so much, I just bought it.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:14 PM

Buying into a niche doesn't have to mean putting oneself at a disadvantage.

I'm not seeing how buying a Mini would put someone at a disadvantage.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:21 PM


Buying into a niche doesn't have to mean putting oneself at a disadvantage.

I'm not seeing how buying a Mini would put someone at a disadvantage.

I'm referring purely to the trigger in a semi play situation. I think it is less than ideal to walk, so it would be harder to snap shoot or hold a lane.

For any other play the mini is just fine.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:25 PM


There are better markers at that price bracket (new or used) that have better triggers and more features. The mini just doesn't compete in its price range any more, and it never will because it has been left in the dust after the introduction of the axe.



What other guns should I have looked at? Not being snide or anything, just really curious about options. I said in another post that I looked at a DP G5 and I believe it had an on/off ASA and no macro line and AVID had it for the same price as the MINI. The guy at the counter didn't recommend it, though. I've already decided that the next time I buy a gun, I'm asking for suggestions and then going to Google to read about features. I really probably should have done that before buying the MINI but I liked it so much, I just bought it.

the extcy and g5 both have an on/off and better triggers than the mini. The extcy does that at $75 cheaper new.

If the trigger doesn't bother you, then it's no reason to have buyers remorse. The on/off is more of a convenience and makes it more difficult to bust tank o-rings. Like I said, the mini isn't horrible. It just lacks a few things that competing guns in its price range have.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:25 PM



Buying into a niche doesn't have to mean putting oneself at a disadvantage.

I'm not seeing how buying a Mini would put someone at a disadvantage.

I'm referring purely to the trigger in a semi play situation. I think it is less than ideal to walk, so it would be harder to snap shoot or hold a lane.

For any other play the mini is just fine.

I'm not a very good snap shooter, but I managed. I think that had I used the Mini for more than an hour I would be able to do better.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:46 PM



There are better markers at that price bracket (new or used) that have better triggers and more features. The mini just doesn't compete in its price range any more, and it never will because it has been left in the dust after the introduction of the axe.



What other guns should I have looked at? Not being snide or anything, just really curious about options. I said in another post that I looked at a DP G5 and I believe it had an on/off ASA and no macro line and AVID had it for the same price as the MINI. The guy at the counter didn't recommend it, though. I've already decided that the next time I buy a gun, I'm asking for suggestions and then going to Google to read about features. I really probably should have done that before buying the MINI but I liked it so much, I just bought it.

the extcy and g5 both have an on/off and better triggers than the mini. The extcy does that at $75 cheaper new.

If the trigger doesn't bother you, then it's no reason to have buyers remorse. The on/off is more of a convenience and makes it more difficult to bust tank o-rings. Like I said, the mini isn't horrible. It just lacks a few things that competing guns in its price range have.


I don't have buyer's remorse. I still really like it. I was just trying to get what people were on about. I was thinking maybe quality control issues or early bugs in the gun. I know it's on V3 which means it's been around a while. Maybe they're about to release something new? Maybe a MINI V4 with w/ on/off ASA and a micro switch trigger but without increasing the size? Maybe they'll find a way to put the battery in the grip frame, still keep it macrolees and shrink the dront grip a bit to make more room for fingers? Iuno.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:55 PM

^ wouldn't count on it. The axe basically took over the mini's development efforts.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:03 PM

^ wouldn't count on it. The axe basically took over the mini's development efforts.


Meh. Ya never know. I'm fairly certain my next gun isn't even gonna be an Empire so it doesn't matter quite that much.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:23 PM

The mini is a great gun and blows everything in the price range out of the water.

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Buying into a niche doesn't have to mean putting oneself at a disadvantage.

I'm not seeing how buying a Mini would put someone at a disadvantage.


Too short to run and gun with effectively unless your really short.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:24 PM

It's not that we hate something because it itself is bad. It's just that there's better out there. Me personally, I just hate the trigger, and I dislike the lack of on off asa. But for most, it's not the best you can get for your money. Same with the G5.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:35 PM


The mini is a great gun and blows everything in the price range out of the water.

Have you ever shot a proton?



Buying into a niche doesn't have to mean putting oneself at a disadvantage.

I'm not seeing how buying a Mini would put someone at a disadvantage.


Too short to run and gun with effectively unless your really short.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:01 PM

I hate the mini and the axe so..... Yeah.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:59 PM

Because it sucks and I hated every waking moment having that gun.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:03 PM

the mini is a good marker, for the used price it isn't that bad. heck all the minis I've owned have made me money rather than lose.

I'm testing an extcy in a competitive environment this Thursday, i already like the trigger.

but what i feel is holding back the minis in sales is the higher price, people would hate on them less if they were cheaper by like 50-100 dollars
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:10 PM

Hey get.lit.up, the extcy works pretty great in tournaments and competitive environments. Recall that I do this, due to me not having much money to buy a higher end marker. It has pretty ok efficiency for a front dorito player, and it's pretty quiet as well.

Hey get.lit.up, the extcy works pretty great in tournaments and competitive environments. Recall that I do this, due to me not having much money to buy a higher end marker. It has pretty ok efficiency for a front dorito player, and it's pretty quiet as well.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:23 PM

The proton? That gun that leaks after half a case of paint?

I've never seen a proton or even a mokal arua leak ever.
The issue with the aura was the board, which valken fixed. Personally i think its an amazing gun for the price.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:25 PM


The proton? That gun that leaks after half a case of paint?

I've never seen a proton or even a mokal arua leak ever.
The issue with the aura was the board, which valken fixed. Personally i think its an amazing gun for the price.

It is a pretty nice gun. I would recommend it more if Axe's didn't keep on selling used for it's price. However, I've noticed the guys over on PBForums all recommend them to newer players as much as we recommend the eXTCy. I tried to help out a guy over there once, and all of them flamed me for liking Smart Parts' products.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:39 PM



The proton? That gun that leaks after half a case of paint?

I've never seen a proton or even a mokal arua leak ever.
The issue with the aura was the board, which valken fixed. Personally i think its an amazing gun for the price.

It is a pretty nice gun. I would recommend it more if Axe's didn't keep on selling used for it's price. However, I've noticed the guys over on PBForums all recommend them to newer players as much as we recommend the eXTCy. I tried to help out a guy over there once, and all of them flamed me for liking Smart Parts' products.

I can see where you guys are coming from, it's a nice shooting gun when it's working. It's just that every time I go to a field, someone is asking why their new proton is leaking.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:40 PM

Hey oc i can't wait to try what the hype is about
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:54 PM

alot of people hate the trigger
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:58 PM

Everything about it is shit IMO.

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#45 SAHeatpb

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:04 PM

alot of people hate the trigger

Exactly, I hated it the most out of the whole gun. It's all wobbly and just feels like crap to me.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:25 PM

Everything about it is shit IMO.

dude, its an axe with an optical trigger and a smaller body, you cant recommend an axe and hate EVERYTHING about a mini.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:30 PM


Everything about it is shit IMO.

dude, its an axe with an optical trigger and a smaller body, you cant recommend an axe and hate EVERYTHING about a mini.

Lack of on/off asa, teenie ass body, terrible trigger. The stuff that matters, everything he hates.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:30 PM

Well deal with it I do.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:02 PM


Everything about it is shit IMO.

dude, its an axe with an optical trigger and a smaller body, you cant recommend an axe and hate EVERYTHING about a mini.


He's got a point, lol.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:19 PM

So?


Empire fixed all the problems the Mini had with the Axe. I loathe the Mini and love the Axe.

dude, its an axe with an optical trigger and a smaller body, you cant recommend an axe and hate EVERYTHING about a mini.


dude, its an axe with an optical trigger and a smaller body, .



dude, its an axe with an optical trigger





Please get your facts straight, you just sound dumb saying this.

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