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#1 codedarm

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:24 PM



check out that video for a start and look into going vegan. It is the natural medicine to prevent and reverse diseases such as heart disease, obesity, osteoporosis, etc.

It's easier than you think

Look into it more..

drmcdougall.com
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thechinastudy.com
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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:31 PM

Think you could post some peer-reviewed medical studies?

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:39 PM

OF course!



and definitely look into those links i posted previously. Their information come from MANY researchers and researches

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:45 PM

if skeptical, check this page out

http://www.drmcdouga...l_research.html

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 07:17 PM

I remain unconvinced.

http://www.nejm.org/...=articleResults
http://www.cancer.or...n/vegetarianism
http://en.wikipedia....ts_and_concerns
http://www.quackwatc...vegetarian.html

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 07:24 PM

Buddy, vegetarianism is completely different than veganism.

Veganism - no animal products!

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 07:41 PM

Well, "buddy," when it comes do dietary benefits, the two are very similar. The complete abstinance from animal products in any way, shape, or form is more of a personal choice, where vegetarianism is based primarily on a dietary choice. However, the actual diets are almost identical, thus the data in regards to vegetarianism is applicable to veganism.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 07:46 PM

Veggies are what food eats.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 07:52 PM

Veggies are what food eats.



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Posted 05 June 2013 - 07:53 PM

Veggies are what food eats.



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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:02 PM

lol vegetarian still has the dairy in the diet..bad bad bad.

It's basically liquid meat, there isn't nutrition in it. It'll clog up the arteries. But since this is a paintball forum, I don't want to get into it any more than that. Just before you shut down any of this, please look into it.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:04 PM

If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made of food?

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:06 PM

lol vegetarian still has the dairy in the diet..bad bad bad.

It's basically liquid meat, there isn't nutrition in it. It'll clog up the arteries.

If that's the extent of your nutritional knowledge, then there's no point in taking this further.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:06 PM

Except for the fact that humans are designed to be omnivorous, not herbivorous. So I think I'll keep eating my meat.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:17 PM

Humans are herbivores, not omnivores. Take a quick glance at an omnivores teeth (dog, bear, etc). Very sharp, closer to carnivores. Look at omnivorous and carnivorous digestive systems, short. Herbivores have long digestive system to digest plant-based foods (starches, fruits, vegetables, etc). We have long digestive tracts because it takes a long time to digest plant-based foods.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:23 PM

Our ancestors were perfectly healthy eating both meats and vegetables. We just need to cut out all the artificial crap and get closer to natural stuff that our bodies are happier with.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:28 PM

Yes, natural is better. Ever since all this pollution crud kicked in.

But our ancestors ate meat, but they did it to survive. I wouldn't say they were "healthy", they did what they had to do to survive. We thrive on a plant-based diet.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:34 PM

http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm

But our ancestors ate meat, but they did it to survive. I wouldn't say they were "healthy", they did what they had to do to survive. We thrive on a plant-based diet.

It's almost like you're on the verge of understanding evolution, but not quite.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:42 PM

Yes, natural is better. Ever since all this pollution crud kicked in.

But our ancestors ate meat, but they did it to survive. I wouldn't say they were "healthy", they did what they had to do to survive. We thrive on a plant-based diet.


Exactly the same way we do it to also survive. There are such things called the essential amino acids, things we need to survive and be healthy. Some are found in plants, but some are not. To get those, you either have to do a complicated chemical ballet that includes supplements, or you can eat meat.

As I said before, humans are omnivorous, we're designed to subsist on a diet of both plants and meat. To try and claim we're supposed to subsist strictly on plants is silly, when one of the essential ways to ensure we get all of the essential amino acids is to eat meat.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:58 PM

Look at omnivorous and carnivorous digestive systems, short. Herbivores have long digestive system to digest plant-based foods (starches, fruits, vegetables, etc). We have long digestive tracts because it takes a long time to digest plant-based foods.

You have it exactly wrong. Human digestive systems are much more related to carnivorous mammals than herbivorous ones. Horses and cows have long digestive systems, humans do not.
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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:00 PM

Exactly the same way we do it to also survive. There are such things called the essential amino acids, things we need to survive and be healthy. Some are found in plants, but some are not. To get those, you either have to do a complicated chemical ballet that includes supplements, or you can eat meat.

As I said before, humans are omnivorous, we're designed to subsist on a diet of both plants and meat. To try and claim we're supposed to subsist strictly on plants is silly, when one of the essential ways to ensure we get all of the essential amino acids is to eat meat.


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Actually, you can receive all of your amino acids by eating solely plants. There are 3 or 4 plants that are complete proteins them selves, including quinoa. You can also take in complete proteins by mixing different types of plant life. If you mix grain and legumes, you will receive all of your amino acids. (beans and rice, peanut butter sandwich)

That being said, I enjoy eating meat. It's all about moderation.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:11 PM

All the essential amino acids can be found and obtained through a whole plant-based diet.

Protein deficiency will not happen, that is a very misleading.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:18 PM

Look up the china study, Dr.mcdougall, Dr.Barnard, Dr. Esselstyn if you don't wanna take my word for it.

Plus..
http://michaelblueja...eg/natural.html

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:21 PM

Plus..
http://michaelblueja...eg/natural.html

Show me a scientific journal that's published in and then I'll read it.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:21 PM

I agree with the fact that I'm an omnivore. I don't think I could completely abstain from meat.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:28 PM

http://michaelblueja...eg/natural.html

Nearly everything in that is lacking a proper source

Also, I chuckled at

"Body length" measured from neck to anus, as with the other animals


Of course it's gonna skew the results when measuerd like that. Herbivores are large, long animals with short (in proportion) legs, so the length from neck to anus is nearly the entire length of the animal. In humans the length from neck to anus is less than half out total length. And since they used a ratio of intestinal length to neck-anus length, it skews the results in their favor.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:29 PM

SilentButDeadly, I already have.

Look up the "The China Study" it is a research book with MANY researches documented in journals.

and Bunneh, it is because meat is addicting!

once you actually cut it out of your diet, it's much easier to stay away from it (goes along with many other things)

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:31 PM

andrewthewookie, how about this..

How do you see gorillas out in the wild eating only plant-based diets, or for that matter some of the biggest animals out there?

We've been conditioned to think that the food pyramid is the ideal way of eating, that meat and dairy are required for maximum performance. It's all a bundled up lie

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:43 PM

How do you see gorillas out in the wild eating only plant-based diets, or for that matter some of the biggest animals out there?


Gorillas live in an environment where it is easy to be a herbivore. Where they live, they have no steady source of prey, and so they just focus on foraging. Have you seen large animals move around? They're quite slow and ungainly. They are much less efficient at moving around, and make for terrible hunters. It's easier to exist as herbivores. Plus, with size increase comes a necessary food increase. Elephants must eat upwards of 300 pounds of food per day just to survive. Just try hunting and killing that amount of animals, per day. The energy requirements to do so would be enormous. Smaller animals require less food less often, and are capable of expending precious energy to obtain prey.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:51 PM

For the record, the biggest mammals out there (blue whale) are carnivorous.
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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:55 PM

Did you say prey? Prey, the food that apparently a gorilla would eat naturally? No. Lol gorillas are strictly vegan. Besides, animals that would hunt (naturally) would indeed have sharp talons, claws, wide opening jaws, very sharp teeth, etc.

Just because we CAN digest meat doesn't mean we should..just because we CAN digest cardboard doesn't mean we should...

we aren't meant to digest meat, we can force it down, but it's not good for us

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:03 PM

If humans were truly meant to be herbivorous, we probably would have evolved a way to digest cellulose. But we can't digest cellulose, because we lack the enzyme in our digestive system.
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Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:06 PM

Did you say prey? Prey, the food that apparently a gorilla would eat naturally? No. Lol gorillas are strictly vegan. Besides, animals that would hunt (naturally) would indeed have sharp talons, claws, wide opening jaws, very sharp teeth, etc.

Just because we CAN digest meat doesn't mean we should..just because we CAN digest cardboard doesn't mean we should...

we aren't meant to digest meat, we can force it down, but it's not good for us

Yeah... no. Gorillas are not strictly vegan. They love ants, grubs, bugs, and the occasional small animal.

We CAN digest meat because our species evolved to do so. We CANNOT digest cardboard because we lack the cellulase enzyme (seriously, whichever article said we could digest cardboard is just wrong, probably about a lot of other things too).

Yes, we are most definitely meant to digest meat, and it's definitely not bad for us.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:09 PM

Except for the fact that humans are designed to be omnivorous, not herbivorous. So I think I'll keep eating my meat.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:12 PM

Did you say prey? Prey, the food that apparently a gorilla would eat naturally? No. Lol gorillas are strictly vegan. Besides, animals that would hunt (naturally) would indeed have sharp talons, claws, wide opening jaws, very sharp teeth, etc.



If I'm not mistaken,
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gorillas eat grubs and insects. I'm pretty sure those count as animals, therefore are not vegan.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:13 PM



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Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:20 PM

True that ^ :tup:
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Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:25 PM

lol vegetarian still has the dairy in the diet..bad bad bad.

It's basically liquid meat, there isn't nutrition in it. It'll clog up the arteries. But since this is a paintball forum, I don't want to get into it any more than that. Just before you shut down any of this, please look into it.

Too bad human babies naturally breastfeed.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:41 PM

Humans are herbivores, not omnivores. Take a quick glance at an omnivores teeth (dog, bear, etc). Very sharp, closer to carnivores. Look at omnivorous and carnivorous digestive systems, short. Herbivores have long digestive system to digest plant-based foods (starches, fruits, vegetables, etc). We have long digestive tracts because it takes a long time to digest plant-based foods.


....are you blind?

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This is an image of a bears mouth. Do you see the sharp, pointed teeth for ripping flesh near the front of the mouth, and the smaller, flat teeth near the back of the mouth used for breaking up vegitation?

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This is an image of a humans mouth. Ignoring the similarly shaped, incredibly obvious k9s, do you see how nearly all the teeth are very wedge shaped, and have an edge similar to the blade of a knife? Those aren't for tearing up that head of broccoli my friend.


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Now, this is a cows mouth. Ignoring the lack of upper incisors (herbivores dont need them to crush vegetation) they look very similar in shape to a humans teeth!

But wait, here is an image where you can see the chewing face of the teeth.
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They're nothing like our teeth. They're flat and more useful for crushing, rather than tearing.



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Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:50 PM

Does anyone else find it ironic that this thread is about eating, and we keep feeding the troll?

Also, vegans shouldn't play paintball. The shells are made with gelatin, aren't they?

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:55 PM

Yup. http://empirepaintba...tballs-are-made

  • Paintballs are made from materials such as Gelatin derived from pork skins and beef bones/hides, Poly-Ethel Glycol (PEG), Glycerin, Sorbitol, water, free fatty acids, titanium dioxide, starches, surfactants, emulsifiers and FD+C colorants. A majority of these components are naturally occurring (although processed) such as Gelatin, water and Soybean. Other materials are derivatives of other natural components such as PEG, and starches. All are non-toxic and safe for use in paintball.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 11:05 PM

Does anyone else find it ironic that this thread is about eating, and we keep feeding the troll?



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Posted 05 June 2013 - 11:09 PM

Does anyone else find it ironic that this thread is about eating, and we keep feeding the troll?

Also, vegans shouldn't play paintball. The shells are made with gelatin, aren't they?


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 11:31 PM

Does anyone else find it ironic that this thread is about eating, and we keep feeding the troll?

Also, vegans shouldn't play paintball. The shells are made with gelatin, aren't they?


No, feeding trolls is trolling in itself. So we're ok.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 05:05 PM

as far as the video, it states that herbivores have soft tongues, and shows a cow as an example. Cows do not have soft tongues, it's like sandpaper

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 10:07 PM

as far as the video, it states that herbivores have soft tongues, and shows a cow as an example. Cows do not have soft tongues, it's like sandpaper


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Posted 08 June 2013 - 09:05 PM


Does anyone else find it ironic that this thread is about eating, and we keep feeding the troll?

Also, vegans shouldn't play paintball. The shells are made with gelatin, aren't they?


No, feeding trolls is trolling in itself. So we're ok.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 10:19 AM

But we are feeding the troll meat, so it's all good.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 12:52 AM

I barely read any of this, I'm just gonna say fuck not eating meat. I would cry if I couldn't have chicken or bacon.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 07:03 PM

I said idk because the word "healthy" means different things to everyone. I am not vegan for two reasons, 1. I tried that diet for about 5 months, it's better than eating fast food all day long, but you really have to know what ur doing to eat like that and not become malnutritioned (if that's a word). There are certain things only meat and dairy products contain that your body needs, there are other ways to get them, but many people try the vegan diet w/o that knowledge and end up lacking necessary vitamins/minerals simply because they don't know any better. 2. For the type of body/training I do meat is essential for my body to recover quickly/properly.

Don't get me wrong, if you know what ur doing, a vegan diet is a way better alternitave to the average Americans diet. I just believe there are ways of eating meat/dairy that are benifical, I would even say necessary, to my diet at least. I even worked with a guy who had to eat a vegan diet because he had food allergies, without a doubt, a vegan diet is the only way to go for him, and other people like him. All I know is that for me, a vegan diet is not the first choice.




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