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#1 TippmannPlayer97

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 01:13 PM

I dont see why everyone recommends the damned axe so much. They arent great looking, the trigger is meh, ergos are way fucked up, they are just too expensive for what you get. they should at least have some way to get less fucked up ergos, and make them look better. "well if you tune it and get a boss bolt its smooth dur dur" so what. Why would you get a marker that needs a new bolt to be smooth. And come on, everyone and their grandmother has an Axe. You guys shouldnt be so biased towards the axe. I think vices are better choices, same with marqs, and DMs, and old egos, shit like that. Theres nothing cool about the axe. Vices and marqs are high end bob long guns. DMs have the lpr, Egos have LCDs. cool things. Axes are midrange empire guns. Bleh.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 01:16 PM

People recommend the axe because it shoots nice, is cheap, and is stupidly simple to maintain. Personally I would rather have a Bob Long or Dm, but for a newer player, axes are workhorses that can help them get into the sport.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 01:17 PM

looks are opinion. i think they look sexy.
the trigger is really good actually.
and ergos are also personal opinion.
they are actually good priced for what you get.
and i do agree, there are also other good markers in the same price range.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 01:29 PM

i think one of the reasons its recommended so much is because a lot of people, especially new players aren't comfortable buying used guns or from someone who's not a business. For a mid level gun you get a lot for the price. I personally don't like the Axe either, but feelings aside its a great shooting marker
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Posted 14 June 2013 - 01:42 PM

We buy axes to spite you

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 01:49 PM

I should sell my g6r

Or you could give it to me. :)

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 01:53 PM

-Looks are opinion, i like the way it looks.
-The trigger is actually one of the best stock triggers that come with any gun, so im not sure why you don't like it
-ergos are opinion, i personally love the ergos.
-Seriously? The Axe without the boss bolt is already damn smooth, with the boss bolt, a $35 upgrade it makes it even smoother. Lets look at it this way, Axe ($460) +boss bolt ($35)= $495 while the etek is about the same price.
-They are not too expensive for what you get. Lets compare it to the etek 4 which is in the price range. The axe is better since it is smoother (by a lot), quieter (by a lot), better trigger, and softer on paint(at every tourney i go to, where we are shooting tourney paint such as evil, all of the eteks literally blend paint while axes shoot flawlessly.

Yeah with $460 you could buy a g6r or other used highends which are all better choices than the axe, but, many new people and even people who have been playing for years are uncomfortable buying used.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 01:57 PM

This should be in Take it Outside.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 02:05 PM

its mainly what you want there is no end all be all gun.... or everyone would own it....



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Posted 14 June 2013 - 02:17 PM

This should be in Take it Outside.

I dont think so because its directly paintball related.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 02:18 PM

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 02:18 PM

There are two worse triggers i have used. First, proto rail. i hate the shape of it. and the mini. But i could shoot the mini faster i think. But my legend has the best trigger ive ever touched. hands down. It says i pulled upwards of 20 BPS. so yeah

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 02:21 PM


This should be in Take it Outside.

I dont think so because its directly paintball related.

A rant is a rant, doesn't matter if it's paintball or not. Moved.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 02:49 PM

Let me explain something to you. When you buy an Axe, angels come down from heaven and deliver it to you on a flaming chariot. When it is bestowed upon you, you are then promised that you will receive 5000 virgins to do with as you will. When you hold it, you will know that it is designed to feel like you are holding the hands of god. It shoots 500 cases of paint on a 3k fill, no problem. It is the smoothest gun ever created, and will shoot $100 bills at you if you select that firing mode. :dodgy:


Not really, but the way people hype the damn thing you'd figure it does all that. It's pretty decent for the price, but I don't think it's anything special. I'd take a Drone or an Invasion over it any day.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 02:56 PM

Barely anyone recommends a NEW axe, its always a USED axe. lol So more like $300 + $35 Bolt.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 03:04 PM

What happens if you take a core sample with any other used marker and break the frame or have something get broken? You buy new parts. Not so with Kee's markers and I think that is one of the major selling points for the Axe, especially to new players or just people looking for a marker that let's them play hard without worrying about damaging it.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 04:57 PM

How dare the Axe be a good value in a paintball gun! :dodgy:

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 05:06 PM

Now i just might buy one out of spite....

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 05:18 PM

I do agree with you a little bit witht he whole it gets annoying that's all people reccomend to me 24/7 or that dang Vice! But I was about to buy an Etek 3 or Axe any how lol so I decided to come and see what this was all about lol.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 05:54 PM

So people should recommend worse guns just for a change?

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 05:54 PM

Mmm imagine a black axe with eigenbolt and eigenpoppet. Smoothness, a pretty good efficiency. I'm in
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Posted 14 June 2013 - 06:27 PM

It has a pretty good trigger. I think it looks sexy, looks are preference. Looks are preference. As is ergos. I think it's fine, especially that I can hold it like a spool
Most people prefer smoother shooting and quieter markers; you're kinda the minority for liking otherwise. Used guns compared to the axe? Lets throw that out of the picture, because we should, as most people asking what they should get, try to look at new. Adding Empire's customer service and comparison to other markers in the price range new, there's good reasons as to why we recommend them so much.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 09:23 PM

I dont see why everyone recommends the damned axe so much.
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They arent great looking,
Opinion

the trigger is meh,
Opinion

ergos are way fucked up,
Opinion

they are just too expensive for what you get.
False

they should at least have some way to get less fucked up ergos, and make them look better.
Again, your opinon. Many people LIKE the ergonomics.

"well if you tune it and get a boss bolt its smooth dur dur" so what.
That's called helpful advice and insight from someone who has owned one, maybe you should actually listen to them instead of being an ignorant child

Why would you get a marker that needs a new bolt to be smooth.
Dye did/does the same thing with their Billly Wing Bolt so I don't see why you would single out an affordable marker when many companies do the same thing.

And come on, everyone and their grandmother has an Axe.
Uh, have you everthought that may be because they are very WELL priced for what you get? The Mini was just as popular when it came out because of its affordability to performance comparison. It had some problems along the way that Invert never got around to fixing. Kee came out with the Axe which is essencially a revised and improved Mini. It has very few problems and very many OPTIONAL upgrades. You act as if these upgrades are a neccessity in order to be able to enjoy the marker, which is completely false.

You guys shouldnt be so biased towards the axe.
LOL right.

I think vices are better choices,
Your opinion

same with marqs,
Also your opinion

and DMs,
opinion

and old egos, shit like that.
opinion

Theres nothing cool about the axe.
Your opinion again

Vices and marqs are high end bob long guns.
Also older and more difficult to maintain for newer players. You also need to get a pressure tester to have any sort of clue as to hwo to dial in those markers, which is just ABSURD :dodgy:

DMs have the lpr, Egos have LCDs. cool things. Axes are midrange empire guns. Bleh.
Most narrowminded post I have read in a while. Congratulations.

Thank you for your time :rolleyes: i feel much better now
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Posted 15 June 2013 - 12:23 AM

Yes, i am an opinionated asshole. welcome to forums :dodgy:

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 12:24 AM

Funny that you talk shit about a gun that you have never owned.

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 12:26 AM

"well if you tune it and get a boss bolt its smooth dur dur" so what. Why would you get a marker that needs a new bolt to be smooth.

Not smooth. Smoother. The Axe is fine just the way it is. But the smoother shot is so much nicer. And let's see. $450 Axe + $40? Boss Bolt = smoother and more efficient than an $800 gun like a used 2.1? I think we can see the winner.

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 12:41 AM


"well if you tune it and get a boss bolt its smooth dur dur" so what. Why would you get a marker that needs a new bolt to be smooth.

Not smooth. Smoother. The Axe is fine just the way it is. But the smoother shot is so much nicer. And let's see. $450 Axe + $40? Boss Bolt = smoother and more efficient than an $800 gun like a used 2.1? I think we can see the winner.

Thank you sir. The banner ad at the top of the forum that says "The best performance to price ration gun..." sums it up pretty well. Although there are smoother or more efficient markers, or some that people find more comfortable the Axe does a whole hell of a lot for the price tag.

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 12:46 AM

Funny that you talk shit about a gun that you have never owned.

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Since Lurker has has something new up his sleeves, you won't fully realize how great an axe is until a bit down the road. How unfortunate, it is truly great bang for the buck

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 01:10 AM

Thank you haha ^^^

I don't wanna make it seem like I'm riding the Axe's dick though either. The solenoid on the Axe is kinda crap from what I've seen as far as durability goes, two that I know of needed replacements but Kee swapped them for free on both. They need to mill that thing down and lighten it up too. Honestly I'm really hoping for an "Axe 2" that has the battery in the rear grip so that the foregrip is more standard shaped and is thinned down/lightened up. Even if it puts it closer to $500 or over I think the improvements would be worth it and there's always the used market.

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 01:20 AM

Thank you haha ^^^

I don't wanna make it seem like I'm riding the Axe's dick though either. The solenoid on the Axe is kinda crap from what I've seen as far as durability goes, two that I know of needed replacements but Kee swapped them for free on both. They need to mill that thing down and lighten it up too. Honestly I'm really hoping for an "Axe 2" that has the battery in the rear grip so that the foregrip is more standard shaped and is thinned down/lightened up. Even if it puts it closer to $500 or over I think the improvements would be worth it and there's always the used market.


Maybe make a custom cell and shorten grip then make a bigger trigger guard? I have an extra noid so I'm golden lol, but those things don't break unless you click them without air. Personally the axes, take me $250-300 and call it a day, shoot little kids the face afterwards
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Posted 15 June 2013 - 02:03 AM

Yes, i am an opinionated asshole. welcome to forums :dodgy:


Opinionated is a stretch.

"welcome to the forums? Ha, good one. Been around here MUCH longer than you.

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 07:54 AM

My gawd! The fanboys have gone so far as to start quoting advertising!

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 09:31 AM

Empire, makes bad almost everything but markers.serious, the foam from my eflex is ripped again, the prevail pants are starting to rip at the ankles. Like wtf.
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Posted 15 June 2013 - 11:05 AM

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Yes, i am an opinionated asshole. welcome to forums :dodgy:


Opinionated is a stretch.

"welcome to the forums? Ha, good one. Been around here MUCH longer than you.

"Welcome to forums" != "welcome to the forums" They mean two entirely different things.

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 11:17 AM

^^should have bought contacts.



Yes, i am an opinionated asshole. welcome to forums :dodgy:


Opinionated is a stretch.

"welcome to the forums? Ha, good one. Been around here MUCH longer than you.

"Welcome to forums" != "welcome to the forums" They mean two entirely different things.


At least you know what != means. instead of that run of the mill =/=

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 05:43 PM

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 06:11 PM

I dont see why everyone recommends the damned axe so much. They arent great looking, the trigger is meh, ergos are way fucked up, they are just too expensive for what you get. they should at least have some way to get less fucked up ergos, and make them look better. "well if you tune it and get a boss bolt its smooth dur dur" so what. Why would you get a marker that needs a new bolt to be smooth. And come on, everyone and their grandmother has an Axe. You guys shouldnt be so biased towards the axe. I think vices are better choices, same with marqs, and DMs, and old egos, shit like that. Theres nothing cool about the axe. Vices and marqs are high end bob long guns. DMs have the lpr, Egos have LCDs. cool things. Axes are midrange empire guns. Bleh.

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Okay, I apologise in advance for this...

People recommend the axe because it is a great marker for the price. You then go off on one about ergonomics and triggers; which you are perfectly entitled to. But, have you actually shot an axe? Are you just the new forum resident troll that I have missed whilst I have been away for a year? I really don't know if you are being serious or just trying to rustle Jimmies.

Anyway, I genuinely logged on just to post this, but I can't help but laugh. You would recommend me an 'old ego' instead. That opinion is also perfectly acceptable to have. But just hang on a second, you're 15. I'm sorry, but you recommending me, or anyone else an old Ego? Really? Let's take an 08 ego, when that marker launched you were 10. I wouldn't even class it as old. Etek 3 released in 09, Axe in 2010. I would say old is 05/06, so when you were 7 or 8 years old? Damn, did you buy one when they came out?

Personally, I think you're just trying to look kewl on da interwebs, and I don't blame you, a lot of kids try and do that. You can act that you know what you are talking about, but do you?

Have you shot an axe? A DM? An 'old' ego? A vice? A marq?

I am all for having opinions, and recommending markers, but please actually know what you are talking about first. The worst thing you could do would be to give bad advice to a new player.
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Posted 15 June 2013 - 06:35 PM

Have you shot an axe? A DM? An 'old' ego? A vice? A marq?


I have shot all of them, I would take my vice or ego over an axe. The Axe has a crap fetures out of the box (feedneck). Hell I would shoot an etek over the axe.

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 06:49 PM


Have you shot an axe? A DM? An 'old' ego? A vice? A marq?


I have shot all of them, I would take my vice or ego over an axe. The Axe has a crap fetures out of the box (feedneck). Hell I would shoot an etek over the axe.


Not much help, try being specific. Which ego would you take over an axe? a 13? an 06?

'The Axe has a crap fetures out of the box (feedneck)'... That doesn't even deserve a reply.

And fair enough if you prefer the etek, although I am not sure which etek you are referring to...
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 12:45 AM

I don't see why everyone recommends the damn axe so much. Cheap, backed up very well, easy to maintain, pretty much a workhorse. Fixed some your bad one in blue

They arent great looking That is like saying any mag with the battery pack in the front is bad looking, but subjected to opinions

the trigger is meh That you, personally its pretty decent to me Can't really go wrong with bearing triggers

ergos are way fucked up That is an opinion, have you held one before?

they are just too expensive for what you get. $250-300 used for a marker that hit the market not long ago in the scheme of things, that shoot pretty decently? I consider that some good bang for your money

they should at least have some way to get less fucked up ergos, and make them look better. How about you be come a fucking mechanical engineer and do something close to what Simon did with similar specs, it doesn't just magically appeared that way, it was engineered that way.

"well if you tune it and get a boss bolt its smooth dur dur" so what. So what, still smooth at 140psi with stock parts. And with what lurker is coming down the pipes oh man...

Why would you get a marker that needs a new bolt to be smooth. You don't actually, but you can get it to be smoother than what it is currently and its pretty good stock.

And come on, everyone and their grandmother has an Axe. Oh so you don't have one. .Y YOUR ARGUMENT SO INVALID? Why isn't my city just fucking flooded with Axes then? Oh yea, even though my field's pro shop is mainly empire the BL and PE are more heavily present on the field.

You guys shouldnt be so biased towards the axe. It treats me well, so why not spread the love. Duh that is like common sense

I think vices are better choices, same with marqs, and DMs, and old egos, shit like that. People can vote that debate with their money right? So why haven't you voted for any those? And instead got a Crossover and turned it over for an infinity when you could have gotten a older ego or older etek?

Theres nothing cool about the axe. Nothing cool about you, get over it. But it is cool when you get an axe for $200 though with all the ups

Vices and marqs are high end bob long guns. Yes and so? Require more maintenance too

DMs have the lpr, So? How is that cool when you need to troubleshoot an extra little something?

Egos have LCDs. Axe can has OLED from empire that pretty cool

Axes are midrange empire guns. Bleh. Yea, so your point is? Eteks are midend

Thank you for your time :rolleyes: i feel much better now

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#41 Garribean

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 12:51 AM

I like axes. I just don't like mine.

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 01:52 AM

Why are people comparing a 450$ gun to high ends? Just the fact that they can be compared says something.

This thread would make more sense if you people were comparing the Axe to other MID RANGE guns like the Etha and whatever others are out there. If someone dislikes the Axe due to ignorance, that's fucking stupid, however, I've only seen one person in this thread with a logical reason to dislike it.
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Posted 17 June 2013 - 07:05 AM

Why are people comparing a 450$ gun to high ends? Just the fact that they can be compared says something.

This thread would make more sense if you people were comparing the Axe to other MID RANGE guns like the Etha and whatever others are out there. If someone dislikes the Axe due to ignorance, that's fucking stupid, however, I've only seen one person in this thread with a logical reason to dislike it.

Nope the whole selling point of the Axe is it shoots like a high end with the mid end price tag. For what you get in the Axe you also lose. The finish on the Axes aren't as good most high ends and the milling is pretty bland and you get a invert mini barrel. The Etha is technically still in the begginer price range, it is geared towards begginers not people who are already familiar with the sport unlike the Axe.I for one don't like the Axe because the ergos are fucking weird in my opinion and I really can't find a good and comfortable way to hold it, granted it shoots pretty nice and I just think the Axe Pro is a joke.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:57 AM

The finish and milling arent that good because ITS A FUCKING $450 MARKER! lol.... The Etha shoots like shit, the trigger is shit, its unreliable as hell, it doesnt compare. Honestly, the Axe shoots better than even the Reflex and the Drone DX. And the Lurker and Boss bolts just make it better. It is an amazing marker for the price. Yea, its not great quality finish wise... thats just most Empire markers in my opinion anyways. They are insanely mass produced. For cheap. Thats how production works.

By the way, I'm not even an Axe fanboy, don't own one, dont plan to. I'm not exactly a fan of Kee in general. BUT. You are just lying to yourself if you think it isn't worth its pricetag. If you don't like the ergos, thats fine, thats a very reasonable thing to not like. But that doesn't mean its a bad gun, it just means it isnt for you.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 12:01 PM

Th milling and anno on the Drone and Reflex isnt anythig to write home about either. The Etek and to somee extent the Invasion are the only ones that really have much "fit and finish" so to speak for a gun of their price range.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 12:15 PM



Have you shot an axe? A DM? An 'old' ego? A vice? A marq?


I have shot all of them, I would take my vice or ego over an axe. The Axe has a crap fetures out of the box (feedneck). Hell I would shoot an etek over the axe.


Not much help, try being specific. Which ego would you take over an axe? a 13? an 06? Any, I have a Londen Nexus ego 6 and I have shot many other egos and played with a few 11's

'The Axe has a crap fetures out of the box (feedneck)'... That doesn't even deserve a reply. I have seen 2 snap from little abuse, 1 first day out on the field.

And fair enough if you prefer the etek, although I am not sure which etek you are referring to... I Have owned a 3 and I have used a 2, I like the 2 over the 3 but I would shoot either over the axe.


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 01:53 PM

The whole 'Axe can be compared to a highend' thing is fucking stupid. Midends are pretty much Highends without the frills and all the fancy shit. Hell, I can compare lowends to highends. In my opinion an Ion with an L7 bolt is smoother than every Geo I've ever shot. Proto used to sell cheap DM's. The 2012 Invasion is pretty much an unmilled Indy, and is smoother than every Ego I've ever shot.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 02:10 PM

The finish and milling arent that good because ITS A FUCKING $450 MARKER! lol.... The Etha shoots like shit, the trigger is shit, its unreliable as hell, it doesnt compare. Honestly, the Axe shoots better than even the Reflex and the Drone DX. And the Lurker and Boss bolts just make it better. It is an amazing marker for the price. Yea, its not great quality finish wise... thats just most Empire markers in my opinion anyways. They are insanely mass produced. For cheap. Thats how production works.

By the way, I'm not even an Axe fanboy, don't own one, dont plan to. I'm not exactly a fan of Kee in general. BUT. You are just lying to yourself if you think it isn't worth its pricetag. If you don't like the ergos, thats fine, thats a very reasonable thing to not like. But that doesn't mean its a bad gun, it just means it isnt for you.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 02:36 PM

Etha unreliable. Ha.

Well actually, for some reason, nearly zero Ethas at my field have consistantly worked. Most just stop working or started to fuck something up for near no reason. And I knew some of the guys who owned them. Theyre the type who are too paranoid and believe that the gun is too complicated for them to even mess with.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 04:10 PM

The Etha was INSANELY unreliable when it came out. Now with the springless poppet, it is probably much better. But upwards of 15 Ethas at my field went down in less than 5 cases from that poppet spring getting fucked up. Therefore, from my experience, it is unreliable. Now, I've never seen one with the springless poppet, but I would believe it has fixed that issue.




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