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#1 TippmannPlayer97

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:16 PM

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LOOK AT THAT!!! I fuckin told you guys barrels affected accuracy! i told you. Looks like tighter groupings to me. not the perfect ball on ball accuracy that people think they will get, but that is definetly a difference

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:19 PM

Pictures arent working for me.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:19 PM

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#4 TippmannPlayer97

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:21 PM

I pulled them off warpig, let me try to fix it.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:22 PM

Warpig? Well this oughta be scientifically relevant and not outdated at all...

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#6 TippmannPlayer97

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:23 PM

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Warpig? Well this oughta be scientifically relevant and not outdated at all...

Accuracy test pictures are accuracy test pictures, times changing wont have any effect on that

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:23 PM

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:25 PM

Do these pictures show how the gun is clamped to the table? Or is it just some guy holding it?

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:25 PM

Read this.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:25 PM

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:26 PM

Found the pictures here: http://www.warpig.co...03/index2.shtml

I see no statistical difference in the groupings in the pics.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:26 PM

None of your pictures work.

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#13 TippmannPlayer97

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:30 PM

The shocker 03 test shows vastly improved accuracy with a .687 bore barrel over the stock All American

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:32 PM

No it doesn't.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:35 PM

It has a noticably tighter grouping

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:37 PM

Barely. Like I said before, not statistically significant.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:37 PM

Also read this. It used to be stickied.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:39 PM

I see one picture. They shot a total of 19 balls. That for sure should make for a scientifically correct test that should be universally accepted by everyone.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:42 PM

Also read this. It used to be stickied.

Those charts are wierd. i prefer to see pictures of the actual test, not numbers. numbers are easy to fuck up. plus that doesnt have them on a coordinate plane. i dont see anything accuracy related

I see one picture. They shot a total of 19 balls. That for sure should make for a scientifically correct test that should be universally accepted by everyone.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:44 PM

You not being able to understand the graphs doesn't mean they aren't showing correct data.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:45 PM

Those charts are wierd. i prefer to see pictures of the actual test, not numbers. numbers are easy to fuck up. plus that doesnt have them on a coordinate plane. i dont see anything accuracy related

So the charts being weird makes the test automatically invalid?

Also. Your "test" does not have a coordinate plane either.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:45 PM

I see one picture. They shot a total of 19 balls. That for sure should make for a scientifically correct test that should be universally accepted by everyone.


The one they everyone linked to they only shot 20 balls a barrel. That said I don't understand the math well enough to say anything on the results.

I will say this on the warpig picture. The group might be a little better but all those shots are hits. So I don't see how it would help justify the cost of a freak barrel. That is just my opinion on it all and it is just that opinion.


Heck my barrel on my Phenom shots well enough I don't seem to be in any hurry to get a new barrel. That is just my opinion on it all.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:46 PM

If the entire thread is telling you that you're wrong, and posting data...you're probably wrong.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:48 PM

There are plenty of pictures and videos on punkworkspaintball.com which verify everything you've just read and chosen to ignore in order to fein ignorance.

Fact is: the barrel makes no discernable difference in accuracy, efficiency is a different story.

And that link up above was a double for some reason, here is the sticky.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 11:26 PM

So...something from 2004, which you managed to misinterpret, means that it proves a more recent and thorough test wrong?

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 02:21 AM

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 09:15 AM

How does the time matter? The 03 shocker will still shoot this way now as it did then

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:56 AM

How does the time matter? The 03 shocker will still shoot this way now as it did then


Its the fact that a more recent, and thorough test is proving you wrong.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 11:02 AM

LOOK AT THAT!!! I fuckin told you barrels don't affected accuracy! i told you. doesn't Looks like tighter groupings to me. not the perfect ball on ball accuracy that people think they will get, but that is definitely not a difference.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 11:08 AM

Also, the fact they conducted the test outside, where slight differences in wind and other conditions will seriously skew the outcome. And yes, Tippmann, you can pick and choose when you take the shots, just in case this is the argument you thought of. Choose the best possible conditions for your "good barrel" test. No company has ever done anything like this before.

Unless the tests were conducted inside, with perfect climate controlled conditions, the test needs to be thrown out. No, the grouping does not show significant differences between the barrels. Plus, whose to honestly say this is not just some marketing scheme, designed to be misleading. Damn, Tippmann, you really need to gain your own knowledge before calling people out.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 06:37 PM

No disrespect, but I'm sure Cockerpunk and Bryce, which I'm sure have a million qualifications in this sort of thing and I imagine work with similar things in their jobs, probably know a tiny bit more than what I'm assuming is a 16 year old. It might seem stupid that all the info anyone ever uses is based off the Punkworks testing, but they are the only ones that do it right.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 06:54 PM

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:23 PM

LOOK AT THAT!!! I fuckin told you barrels don't affected accuracy! i told you. doesn't Looks like tighter groupings to me. not the perfect ball on ball accuracy that people think they will get, but that is definitely not a difference.


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Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:46 PM

the warpig test was done outside and for that alone it should be thrown out because you aren't removing some factors that can change results such as wind, temp, and humidity.

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 02:41 AM

LOOK AT THAT!!! I fuckin told you guys barrels affected accuracy! i told you. Looks like tighter groupings to me. not the perfect ball on ball accuracy that people think they will get, but that is definetly a difference


The fact that you believed that is laughable at best.

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 04:10 AM

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 04:44 AM

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