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#1 CobaltPaintballer

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:53 PM

Both of these are coming from the same guy. My choices are a CCM T2 86 With a full barrel kit for 650, one of the inserts being stuck on. Or a Halfblocked Karni pump with every aftermarket CCM you can get other then a AKA valve. This has a 45 frame and hogue wrap around grips, and because I don't have any decent pump barrels also including a dw fibur with an aluminum 693 for 710.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:57 PM

i'd get the T2, it's a full blown CCM and therefore it will pretty much be better in every way. besides, IMO half-blocked Karnivores lose all of their sexiness. 


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 04:00 PM

i'd get the T2, it's a full blown CCM and therefore it will pretty much be better in every way. besides, IMO half-blocked Karnivores lose all of their sexiness. 

Exactly how I felt too. Still open to suggestions though.


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 04:01 PM

T2, but for how much he's asking you could just buy a new one.


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 04:04 PM

T2, but for how much he's asking you could just buy a new one.

CCM has a CP ASA and a full barrel kit, would it still be worth buying one new?


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 04:08 PM

The CP ASA ruins the look of it and barrels really don't matter. Also its a sin to pump a Karni so thats a no go.


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 04:21 PM

for those prices, you could get a brand new ccm, with your choice of colors.



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 04:32 PM

The only place I could order one is from Pinnacle which would be 675 for the gun, not including the barrel kit.


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 04:33 PM

The only place I could order one is from Pinnacle which would be 675 for the gun, not including the barrel kit.

why not order from CCM?


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 05:59 PM

Those are both overpriced... :/



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 07:10 PM

I would go t2, on a side note, the ccm customer service is amazing.
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Posted 05 July 2013 - 07:19 PM

Get the T2, it is a great marker. I have two and could not be happier with the design, quality and the outstanding customer service.

 

The Karnie may be a good marker, but it is old, heavy, extra-large and who knows how it has been treated or put together.

 

The T2 is far more efficient and much, much lighter, easy to service and get parts, there is a whole CCM community on M. Carter Brown, and a lot of instructional videos to help you service and maintain your CCM .

 

Buy new - a LIFETIME Warrentee for thw original owner- for $650 you can get a custom order to your own colors, frame (45 or 86), , etc...You can order it without a barrel if you like and get a Deadlywind Fibur.

 

To order contact Melissa (Mel) toll free, she is more than happy to answer any CCM related questions, just give her a call! CCM: 1-877-412-6850

 

Really, Get the T2 and give Mel a call.

 

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 07:37 PM

I just ordered a T2 it cost 694 and change shipping and tax included. No barrel kit just one insert. For $650 used, i eould call mel and order a new one you get to make it all your own

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 08:04 PM

The CP ASA ruins the look of it and barrels really don't matter. Also its a sin to pump a Karni so thats a no go.

Its a sin to half block it. Pumping it allows it to ascend to an even higher level of greatness.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 08:22 PM

 

The CP ASA ruins the look of it and barrels really don't matter. Also its a sin to pump a Karni so thats a no go.

Its a sin to half block it. Pumping it allows it to ascend to an even higher level of greatness.

 

no, pumping a Karni is a sin.


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 08:28 PM

Half Block autocockers are sin. pumping them is a sin. Autocockers that arent electro or mechanical are sin. there's a reason the name is AUTOcocker


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 08:29 PM

Half Block autocockers are sin. pumping them is a sin. Autocockers that arent electro or mechanical are sin. there's a reason the name is AUTOcocker

what..

 

that's half the point of an autococker. and you know pumps came before autocockers, right? there was a pump kit on there before a set of pneumatics. there are a select few cockers that are a sin to pump.


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 08:38 PM

I know paintball history and all that so i know exactly what i'm saying. It's an autococker for a reason, to AUTO COCK (thats what she said) if you want a pump, get a kaos pump, Sanchez Machine, CCM, whatever. dont pump an autococker


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 08:43 PM

I know paintball history and all that so i know exactly what i'm saying. It's an autococker for a reason, to AUTO COCK (thats what she said) if you want a pump, get a kaos pump, Sanchez Machine, CCM, whatever. dont pump an autococker

if it wasn't meant to be pumped, it wouldn't accept a pump kit. what i'm saying is that all cockers are, are pumps that do the pumping for you. they all pretty much started out that way. you obviously don't know what you're talking about because that's half the appeal of a cocker. it can do two things. don't be telling people to not pump a cocker because that's half the point. and why would i get a kaos pump when i could get a 2k5 Superstock cocker with a CCM pump kit?


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 09:18 PM

Half Block autocockers are sin. pumping them is a sin. Autocockers that arent electro or mechanical are sin. there's a reason the name is AUTOcocker

 

that's like saying it's a sin to have a manual car because there is an automatic version of it. 



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 09:49 PM

 

I know paintball history and all that so i know exactly what i'm saying. It's an autococker for a reason, to AUTO COCK (thats what she said) if you want a pump, get a kaos pump, Sanchez Machine, CCM, whatever. dont pump an autococker

if it wasn't meant to be pumped, it wouldn't accept a pump kit. what i'm saying is that all cockers are, are pumps that do the pumping for you. they all pretty much started out that way. you obviously don't know what you're talking about because that's half the appeal of a cocker. it can do two things. don't be telling people to not pump a cocker because that's half the point. and why would i get a kaos pump when i could get a 2k5 Superstock cocker with a CCM pump kit?

 

Jesus do you know what an opinion is?


 

Half Block autocockers are sin. pumping them is a sin. Autocockers that arent electro or mechanical are sin. there's a reason the name is AUTOcocker

 

that's like saying it's a sin to have a manual car because there is an automatic version of it. 

 

No because ford doesnt sell their cars as automustang or autof-150. 


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 10:01 PM

Jesus do you know what an opinion is?

your opinion is wrong. Op I would go for a new T2.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 10:04 PM

 

 

I know paintball history and all that so i know exactly what i'm saying. It's an autococker for a reason, to AUTO COCK (thats what she said) if you want a pump, get a kaos pump, Sanchez Machine, CCM, whatever. dont pump an autococker

if it wasn't meant to be pumped, it wouldn't accept a pump kit. what i'm saying is that all cockers are, are pumps that do the pumping for you. they all pretty much started out that way. you obviously don't know what you're talking about because that's half the appeal of a cocker. it can do two things. don't be telling people to not pump a cocker because that's half the point. and why would i get a kaos pump when i could get a 2k5 Superstock cocker with a CCM pump kit?

 

Jesus do you know what an opinion is? 

By you're logic the AKP is also a sin because its a spump.


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 10:51 PM

 

 

I know paintball history and all that so i know exactly what i'm saying. It's an autococker for a reason, to AUTO COCK (thats what she said) if you want a pump, get a kaos pump, Sanchez Machine, CCM, whatever. dont pump an autococker

if it wasn't meant to be pumped, it wouldn't accept a pump kit. what i'm saying is that all cockers are, are pumps that do the pumping for you. they all pretty much started out that way. you obviously don't know what you're talking about because that's half the appeal of a cocker. it can do two things. don't be telling people to not pump a cocker because that's half the point. and why would i get a kaos pump when i could get a 2k5 Superstock cocker with a CCM pump kit?

 

Jesus do you know what an opinion is?

 

 

it doesn't matter what your opinion is if it's dead wrong. brush up on the history of paintball, then develop and opinion that's worth a damn. there's a difference between fact and opinion.


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 11:18 PM

 

 

I know paintball history and all that so i know exactly what i'm saying. It's an autococker for a reason, to AUTO COCK (thats what she said) if you want a pump, get a kaos pump, Sanchez Machine, CCM, whatever. dont pump an autococker

if it wasn't meant to be pumped, it wouldn't accept a pump kit. what i'm saying is that all cockers are, are pumps that do the pumping for you. they all pretty much started out that way. you obviously don't know what you're talking about because that's half the appeal of a cocker. it can do two things. don't be telling people to not pump a cocker because that's half the point. and why would i get a kaos pump when i could get a 2k5 Superstock cocker with a CCM pump kit?

 

Jesus do you know what an opinion is?


 

Half Block autocockers are sin. pumping them is a sin. Autocockers that arent electro or mechanical are sin. there's a reason the name is AUTOcocker

 

that's like saying it's a sin to have a manual car because there is an automatic version of it. 

 

No because ford doesnt sell their cars as automustang or autof-150. 

 

Last I checked a direct command is not an opinion.

 

OP, CCM > all when it comes to pumps.  If you have this kind of money go with CCM; accept no substitutes.



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 11:19 PM


 


 


I know paintball history and all that so i know exactly what i'm saying. It's an autococker for a reason, to AUTO COCK (thats what she said) if you want a pump, get a kaos pump, Sanchez Machine, CCM, whatever. dont pump an autococker

if it wasn't meant to be pumped, it wouldn't accept a pump kit. what i'm saying is that all cockers are, are pumps that do the pumping for you. they all pretty much started out that way. you obviously don't know what you're talking about because that's half the appeal of a cocker. it can do two things. don't be telling people to not pump a cocker because that's half the point. and why would i get a kaos pump when i could get a 2k5 Superstock cocker with a CCM pump kit?
 
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it doesn't matter what your opinion is if it's dead wrong. brush up on the history of paintball, then develop and opinion that's worth a damn. there's a difference between fact and opinion.
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Posted 06 July 2013 - 01:33 AM

Anyways, I still say get the T2, or buy one new to fit your needs.

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 01:56 AM

I know paintball history and all that so i know exactly what i'm saying. It's an autococker for a reason, to AUTO COCK (thats what she said) if you want a pump, get a kaos pump, Sanchez Machine, CCM, whatever. dont pump an autococker

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 02:50 AM

I know paintball history and all that so i know exactly what i'm saying. It's an autococker for a reason, to AUTO COCK (thats what she said) if you want a pump, get a kaos pump, Sanchez Machine, CCM, whatever. dont pump an autococker

Funny you say the kaos pump since they basically pumped the kaos for that. And by your stupid logic you're basically saying if someone meched or ebladed a t2 and reverted into a pump again they have sinned or whatever since they pumped a mech/electro.

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 07:24 AM

If you're going new, why settle for a hideous T2? Why not get a beautiful S6, or S6.5?

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 09:16 AM

If you're going new, why settle for a hideous T2? Why not get a beautiful S6, or S6.5?

J12 would be my pick


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 02:54 PM

The problem is, I live in Canada and I have to account for the 13% tax and the seller is also trying to tell me there is some sort of import tax. Can somebody verify this, seeing as Mel won't respond until monday?


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 03:21 PM

Is the azodin kaos sold as an autokaos? nope. Spumps are cool actually. And i'm not saying pumping a cocker is worse than half blocking a cocker. that should be illegal. I've never seen a half block that looks anywhere near as good as a full block. But honestly, unless the pump is a CCM, sniper pump, or Sanchez, fuck it and get a phantom/trracer/sterling/*other generic nelson*. Much better performance i'd say. 


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 03:25 PM

The problem is, I live in Canada and I have to account for the 13% tax and the seller is also trying to tell me there is some sort of import tax. Can somebody verify this, seeing as Mel won't respond until monday?

Anybody who isn't complaining about halfblocked pumps?


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 03:27 PM

Is the azodin kaos sold as an autokaos? nope. Spumps are cool actually. And i'm not saying pumping a cocker is worse than half blocking a cocker. that should be illegal. I've never seen a half block that looks anywhere near as good as a full block. But honestly, unless the pump is a CCM, sniper pump, or Sanchez, fuck it and get a phantom/trracer/sterling/*other generic nelson*. Much better performance i'd say. 

A rose by another name would smell as sweet, this is the most utterly moronic argument I've ever read.


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 03:55 PM

Guys please set aside this bickering and "help a brotha out" ;~;


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 04:07 PM

Is the azodin kaos sold as an autokaos? nope. Spumps are cool actually. And i'm not saying pumping a cocker is worse than half blocking a cocker. that should be illegal. I've never seen a half block that looks anywhere near as good as a full block. But honestly, unless the pump is a CCM, sniper pump, or Sanchez, fuck it and get a phantom/trracer/sterling/*other generic nelson*. Much better performance i'd say. 

Holy shit you went full potato.  All those pumps you claimed are worth it, run off the autococker design.  And you claimed a phantom and traccer have better performance than a high end pump like a CCM?  Please, get off the internet.


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 04:24 PM

Guys please :'(


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 05:02 PM

Best person to ask is Mel, or another person in Canada who has very recently bought a CCM marker.

 

Also the best person to buy a CCM marker from is CCM directly, unless buying used.


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 05:11 PM

they will both perform exactly the same... a CCM is no beter quality wise then a karni... anyone who tells you otherwise doesnt know shit...

 

so, get the one you like the looks of the best

 

 

after combing throught his thread... ya'll are cocker/pump dumbasses....

 

pumping a cocker doesnt permanently alter the gun in any way... meaning, as long as you keep the factory parts, it can be converted... hell, i'd pump my old DC2 if i still had it... right now, i've got an aftershock team gen4 SFL... its been pumped... still have all the factory parts... 

 

as for the karni... first, they look better all cut up... there is nothing special about a karnivor, it was a massed produced gun from WGP that failed... there is a reason WGP went under, the quality dropped on their products... so, cut up and pump a karni all you want....

 

as for teh history of cockers... they started as pumps, the debate is between Palmers and Bud Orr (WGP) as to who made the first electro... WGP but a pneumatics kit on the front of a sniper to make it an auto cocking pump... hense the name autococker... its not a sin to pump a cocker, as long as you keep the factory parts....

 

 

to the OP, snipers pretty much all perform the same, a CCM wont shoot any smoother or more efficient then an empire sniper, or a custom built pump from a stock cocker body... a CCM costs so much because its a made to order pump... you contact CCM with exactly what you want, they make it to your order... the empire sniper is much cheaper becuase its a mass produced pump, you dont have much of a choice in what options you get with it, aside from color...

 

if you want something personal, either get the CCM you like, or build your own.... if you want a no frills pump, get an empire sniper...


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 10:18 PM

 

Is the azodin kaos sold as an autokaos? nope. Spumps are cool actually. And i'm not saying pumping a cocker is worse than half blocking a cocker. that should be illegal. I've never seen a half block that looks anywhere near as good as a full block. But honestly, unless the pump is a CCM, sniper pump, or Sanchez, fuck it and get a phantom/trracer/sterling/*other generic nelson*. Much better performance i'd say. 

Holy shit you went full potato.  All those pumps you claimed are worth it, run off the autococker design.  And you claimed a phantom and traccer have better performance than a high end pump like a CCM?  Please, get off the internet.

 

No i didnt say a nelson is better than a CCM. I said that unless its one of those high end cocker based pumps, its not worth it. This is from my experience using my brothers Lightning pump. I didnt like it at all. By much better performance i meant a phantom will be a shitton better than, say, a prostock with a generic ANS pump kit. Know what i mean? CCM a cocker and its a CCM in my opinion. If its a CCM on the inside, its pretty much a CCM in a different body. But hey, feel free to judge me as you always seem to do here


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 10:20 PM

 

 

Is the azodin kaos sold as an autokaos? nope. Spumps are cool actually. And i'm not saying pumping a cocker is worse than half blocking a cocker. that should be illegal. I've never seen a half block that looks anywhere near as good as a full block. But honestly, unless the pump is a CCM, sniper pump, or Sanchez, fuck it and get a phantom/trracer/sterling/*other generic nelson*. Much better performance i'd say. 

Holy shit you went full potato.  All those pumps you claimed are worth it, run off the autococker design.  And you claimed a phantom and traccer have better performance than a high end pump like a CCM?  Please, get off the internet.

 

No i didnt say a nelson is better than a CCM. I said that unless its one of those high end cocker based pumps, its not worth it. This is from my experience using my brothers Lightning pump. I didnt like it at all

 

how is it not worth it? all cockers and cocker pumps are pretty damn near internally identical. 


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 10:22 PM

When i toyed with the empire sniper in my proshop it was so much better than my brothers gun it's not even funny. Sexy trigger, amazing comfort, and a nice, light action


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 10:24 PM

When i toyed with the empire sniper in my proshop it was so much better than my brothers gun it's not even funny. Sexy trigger, amazing comfort, and a nice, light action

have you felt a true blood CCMs action? it makes the sniper feel like shit. 

doesn't mean other cocker pumps are crap. if they're lubed, and set-up properly they're quiet as fuck and orgasmic.


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 11:08 PM

As i said before ive never messed with a CCM. 


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 12:55 AM

let me say this, I have an almost full ccm'd cocker, and an empire sniper. If I take the return spring off my ccm'd cocker, I can almost get the gun to cock itself just by pointing the barrel upwards. I can get it to cock itself by giving it a pretty good rock. Now go try that with an empire sniper. Not going to happen.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 01:05 AM

Sounds unpleasant to be honest. But as ive said before ive never touched a CCM so I'd have to play with one before i make any definite opinions about one


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 01:51 AM

Not unpleasant in the slightest. It's amazing.
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Posted 07 July 2013 - 02:09 AM

Keep in mind now, I'm hated on this forum for my differing opinions. Maybe I like the empires stroke better. I guess I'll have to find out though


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