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#1 crich775

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 08:55 PM

Hey all, im looking for a new marker and while the clone gt and luxe seem to be about equal in all regards as far as what I need in a marker(efficiency, feel in the hands, shot quality, etc), how does the gti valve effect it?

Is it worth it over the luxe once the GTI valve is added? I am primarily worried about efficiency and shot quality, the main reason for me to pick the luxe all else being equal is a simplified bolt system I am used to(I am a shocker shooter since the original SFT).

 

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 08:57 PM

I like the luxe more... Who wouldn't want their gat to talk to them?
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Posted 21 July 2013 - 09:08 PM

I like the luxe more... Who wouldn't want their gat to talk to them?

I could care less, I play three times a week, and haven't adjusted a setting other than psp vs. semi in any gun after they get tuned.
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Posted 21 July 2013 - 09:14 PM

Hey all, im looking for a new marker and while the clone gt and luxe seem to be about equal in all regards, how does the gti valve effect it? Is it worth it over the luxe once that is added?I am primarily worried about efficiency and shot quality.


The GTi valves main purpose is just to make the valve o-rings less likely to fail.

Overall unless you need the efficiency the Clone offers the main deciding factor between these two will be which feels better in your hands. The GT is a big improvement on the VX as far as ergonomics go but the Luxe is still one of, if not THE most comfortable markers in paintball.

A few other differences are the board and that the Clone is less lube-sensitive and slightly lighter.

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 09:18 PM

For me, the efficiency was the same, as well as feel in the hands, i was hoping the gti valve was a huge soot count jump or something
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Posted 21 July 2013 - 10:09 PM

I like the Luxe best. It feels so damn good in the hands, and shoots liquid sex.


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Posted 22 July 2013 - 01:07 AM

For me, the efficiency was the same, as well as feel in the hands, i was hoping the gti valve was a huge soot count jump or something

Was it a GT and 2.0 you compared?  I still would say the GT should get 10-11 pods vs the Luxe's ~8 unless you were shooting a massive overbore in the Clone.  Sometimes a heavily worn (or poor fitting) valve o-ring(s) can lower efficiency too.

 

Also the Luxe Eigenbolt is coming. When is anybody's guess though.

 

The best parts of the GTi are the board and grips IMO, I haven't really heard anything exceptional about the valve other than there is a slight ridge for the valve o-rings to help prevent damage to them.

 

Also the character of these guns is very different; the Luxe feels "refined" or "delicate" depending on the person where the Clone feels "sturdy", "industrial" or "cheaply made".

 

The Clone's shot is less of a "puff" and more of a "plop" compared to the Luxe but smoothness and volume are so close between the two that it's insignificant to deciding between them IMO, its just the signature of the shot that is different which comes down to personal preference.


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Posted 22 July 2013 - 01:10 AM

Both were borrowed and were pro players guns so i didn't expect any tuning or bore picking, but the luxe was getting about seven, the gt about eight and a half. So the gt should be getting more? I do play back so that would be nice for seven man.
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 02:02 AM

Both were borrowed and were pro players guns so i didn't expect any tuning or bore picking, but the luxe was getting about seven, the gt about eight and a half. So the gt should be getting more? I do play back so that would be nice for seven man.

Yeah GT will easily get 10 pods unless you're shooting .675 paint through the stock bore or have an o-rings issue.



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Posted 22 July 2013 - 12:13 PM

Looks like i am going with a luxe and running an ef rod
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 12:17 PM

Looks like i am going with a luxe and running an ef rod

Hopefully you're one of the very few people the EF rod actually works for.



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Posted 22 July 2013 - 04:16 PM

Being that i have worked with shockers and used the assortment of parts for them over the years, I should be fine tuning it with the ef setup.
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 04:22 PM

I like the luxe more... Who wouldn't want their gat to talk to them?


I could care less, I play three times a week, and haven't adjusted a setting other than psp vs. semi in any gun after they get tuned.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 04:51 PM

I like the luxe more... Who wouldn't want their gat to talk to them?

I could care less, I play three times a week, and haven't adjusted a setting other than psp vs. semi in any gun after they get tuned.

Well if you could have it then why the hell not?

Because to me, interface is the last thing to worry about, half my guns still use leds
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 08:46 PM

I like the luxe more... Who wouldn't want their gat to talk to them?


I could care less, I play three times a week, and haven't adjusted a setting other than psp vs. semi in any gun after they get tuned.

Well if you could have it then why the hell not?

Because to me, interface is the last thing to worry about, half my guns still use leds

Well ya I understand that but if you have two guns that shoot about the same, but one gun talks to you and the other one doesn't, then why not get the talking gun?
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Posted 23 July 2013 - 12:17 AM

Being that i have worked with shockers and used the assortment of parts for them over the years, I should be fine tuning it with the ef setup.

Hmm... I can't say from experience why people were having issues with them but it really didn't sound like issues with tuning/set-up as these were people that knew their markers.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 12:19 AM

Being that i have worked with shockers and used the assortment of parts for them over the years, I should be fine tuning it with the ef setup.

Hmm... I can't say from experience why people were having issues with them but it really didn't sound like issues with tuning/set-up as these were people that knew their markers.

Well i just bought a watermelon luxe, after i break it in ill try to ef rod and post my experience
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Posted 23 July 2013 - 12:29 AM

 

 

Being that i have worked with shockers and used the assortment of parts for them over the years, I should be fine tuning it with the ef setup.

Hmm... I can't say from experience why people were having issues with them but it really didn't sound like issues with tuning/set-up as these were people that knew their markers.

 

Well i just bought a watermelon luxe, after i break it in ill try to ef rod and post my experience

 

*drool*

I believe that using a sprung core allows a lower dwell too which apparently really helps efficiency according to the pooty part users.

I also know that the guy who sells the EF Rod knows what the hell hes talking about so my guess is there are probably just stupid people that can't theirs to work.


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 12:35 AM

Sprung bolts are to cure fsdo, lower dwell is a happy side effect, consistency usually worsens though. Ef rod setups are not to be tuned like you would normally tune a spooly. Its more lack of information i would say.
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Posted 23 July 2013 - 01:15 AM

Sprung bolts are to cure fsdo, lower dwell is a happy side effect, consistency usually worsens though. Ef rod setups are not to be tuned like you would normally tune a spooly. Its more lack of information i would say.

I certainly lack the info on them haha.  

 

It really bugged me with the Clone when people would talk about lowering the dwell with a sprung bolt since dwell time doesn't even change the volume of air for Clones so it was pointless.


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 03:14 PM

I like the Luxe best. It feels so damn good in the hands, and shoots liquid sex.

Liquid sex you say?

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:21 PM

I like the Luxe best. It feels so damn good in the hands, and shoots liquid sex.

Liquid sex you say?
I've never encountered liquid sex... I've been missing out on so much
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Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:47 PM

The best sex.


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:19 PM

 

 

I like the Luxe best. It feels so damn good in the hands, and shoots liquid sex.

Liquid sex you say?
I've never encountered liquid sex... I've been missing out on so much

 

It's the only kind.



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Posted 24 July 2013 - 12:19 AM

 

 

I like the Luxe best. It feels so damn good in the hands, and shoots liquid sex.

Liquid sex you say?

I've never encountered liquid sex... I've been missing out on so much
 

It's the only kind.

Kinda sticky though
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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:23 AM

 

 

I like the Luxe best. It feels so damn good in the hands, and shoots liquid sex.

Liquid sex you say?
I've never encountered liquid sex... I've been missing out on so much
 
It's the only kind.
Kinda sticky though
But it's worth it
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Posted 24 July 2013 - 06:22 PM

 

 

I like the Luxe best. It feels so damn good in the hands, and shoots liquid sex.

Liquid sex you say?
I've never encountered liquid sex... I've been missing out on so much
 
It's the only kind.
Kinda sticky though
But it's worth it
Very very much worth it.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:09 PM

 

 

I like the Luxe best. It feels so damn good in the hands, and shoots liquid sex.

Liquid sex you say?
I've never encountered liquid sex... I've been missing out on so much
 
It's the only kind.
Kinda sticky though
But it's worth it
Very very much worth it.
Shot glass amounts only, though. After that your throat gets all dried up and you need gatorade.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:18 PM

 

 

I like the Luxe best. It feels so damn good in the hands, and shoots liquid sex.

Liquid sex you say?

I've never encountered liquid sex... I've been missing out on so much
 

It's the only kind.

Kinda sticky though

But it's worth it

Very very much worth it.

Shot glass amounts only, though. After that your throat gets all dried up and you need gatorade.


Aint nobody got time for that
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Posted 25 July 2013 - 08:36 AM

 

 

I like the Luxe best. It feels so damn good in the hands, and shoots liquid sex.

Liquid sex you say?
I've never encountered liquid sex... I've been missing out on so much
 
It's the only kind.
Kinda sticky though
But it's worth it
Very very much worth it.
Shot glass amounts only, though. After that your throat gets all dried up and you need gatorade.

Aint nobody got time for that
I'll mak time for that
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Posted 25 July 2013 - 11:05 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like the Luxe best. It feels so damn good in the hands, and shoots liquid sex.

Liquid sex you say?
I've never encountered liquid sex... I've been missing out on so much
 
It's the only kind.
Kinda sticky though
But it's worth it
Very very much worth it.
Shot glass amounts only, though. After that your throat gets all dried up and you need gatorade.

 

Bitch please. Down a 5th of that bitch


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Posted 25 July 2013 - 04:12 PM


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like the Luxe best. It feels so damn good in the hands, and shoots liquid sex.

Liquid sex you say?
I've never encountered liquid sex... I've been missing out on so much
 
It's the only kind.
Kinda sticky though
But it's worth it
Very very much worth it.
Shot glass amounts only, though. After that your throat gets all dried up and you need gatorade.
 
Bitch please. Down a 5th of that bitch
Well it's called being the one on top.

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 04:20 PM

Macdev markers generally have less spool associated problems than luxes. The only time I have ever had bolt stick, fsdo, or puffing is when I was first tuning my clone. Now it might puff at the beginning of the day at chrono, but after that no problems at all.


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Posted 26 July 2013 - 02:28 PM

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 02:50 PM

Macdev markers generally have less spool associated problems than luxes. The only time I have ever had bolt stick, fsdo, or puffing is when I was first tuning my clone. Now it might puff at the beginning of the day at chrono, but after that no problems at all.

I live 30 minutes from Doodlebug sports so any major issues are no problems, as far as tuning, plus im more familiar with the shocker system.


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Posted 26 July 2013 - 03:30 PM

As long as a Luxe core is sprung you shouldn't have any issues unless lubing or o-ring fit is seriously fucked up.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 09:26 AM


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like the Luxe best. It feels so damn good in the hands, and shoots liquid sex.

Liquid sex you say?
I've never encountered liquid sex... I've been missing out on so much
 
It's the only kind.
Kinda sticky though
But it's worth it
Very very much worth it.
Shot glass amounts only, though. After that your throat gets all dried up and you need gatorade.
 
Bitch please. Down a 5th of that bitch
Well it's called being the one on top.
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Posted 27 July 2013 - 11:34 AM

MMM, sexy

 

I see you have a nice looking camera lens in the background, so why use an instagram filter?!


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Posted 27 July 2013 - 11:42 AM

MMM, sexy

 
I see you have a nice looking camera lens in the background, so why use an instagram filter?!

I didnt, thats called a 50mm at f1.2, very shallow depth of field
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Posted 27 July 2013 - 11:54 AM

MMM, sexy

 
I see you have a nice looking camera lens in the background, so why use an instagram filter?!
I didnt, thats called a 50mm at f1.2, very shallow depth of field
Filmer_Jake, that's just code for instagram filter :P

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 12:03 PM

MMM, sexy

 
I see you have a nice looking camera lens in the background, so why use an instagram filter?!

I didnt, thats called a 50mm at f1.2, very shallow depth of field

Filmer_Jake, that's just code for instagram filter :P

Lol, im actually a photographer, as a business haha
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Posted 27 July 2013 - 12:13 PM

MMM, sexy

 
I see you have a nice looking camera lens in the background, so why use an instagram filter?!
I didnt, thats called a 50mm at f1.2, very shallow depth of field
Filmer_Jake, that's just code for instagram filter :P
Lol, im actually a photographer, as a business haha
cool! I'm the exact opposite. It sometimes takes me 10 mins to figure out what part of the camera takes the picture :/

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 01:01 PM

 

 

MMM, sexy

 
I see you have a nice looking camera lens in the background, so why use an instagram filter?!

 

I didnt, thats called a 50mm at f1.2, very shallow depth of field

 

 

Ahhhh, I gotcha.  I thought instagram filter because only the center is in focus, like things on the same plane looked out of focus except the center of the picture.  But never mind, gotta love those 50mm f1.2, sexy DOF


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Posted 27 July 2013 - 02:49 PM

 

 

MMM, sexy

 
I see you have a nice looking camera lens in the background, so why use an instagram filter?!
 

I didnt, thats called a 50mm at f1.2, very shallow depth of field
 

 
Ahhhh, I gotcha.  I thought instagram filter because only the center is in focus, like things on the same plane looked out of focus except the center of the picture.  But never mind, gotta love those 50mm f1.2, sexy DOF

Haha its cool, good day, at a tournament right now actually lol
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Posted 27 July 2013 - 03:48 PM

Is that Exalt reg cover I spy?  Those feel great.



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Posted 27 July 2013 - 04:04 PM

Is that Exalt reg cover I spy?  Those feel great.

Yeah for the Luxe, I had someone with them at my field last night. They talk about it in the Hustle Paintball Reload #28, they posted it on YouTube today

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 10:24 PM

Is that Exalt reg cover I spy?  Those feel great.

Yeah for the Luxe, I had someone with them at my field last night. They talk about it in the Hustle Paintball Reload #28, they posted it on YouTube today

Had mine over-nighted from hustle,.its wonderful, all the luxe needs now is a DW 16in whip tip, and a few new freak inserts.
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Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:48 PM

I personaly think, DLX Luxe, is better. I dont really think Clone is a good marker for the price. Luxe is awesome becouse its customisable, and the its a lovely feeling.



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Posted 05 August 2013 - 05:03 PM

I personaly think, DLX Luxe, is better. I dont really think Clone is a good marker for the price. Luxe is awesome becouse its customisable, and the its a lovely feeling.

Id love to hear this one...

And how is the Luxe any more customizable?

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 10:29 PM

are you able to change the voice so that it talks ghetto?






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