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Posted 07 September 2013 - 11:51 PM

I'm just going to spitball and say its a macroless DM14 judging from the picture, stay tuned!

 

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 10:14 PM

Most likely. The snatch grip area would be higher and more inline with the diameter of the body in the front if it was an NT.


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 10:20 PM

Looks like the might be getting rid of the psudo 2 tube design. I like it.


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 10:40 PM

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 10:43 PM

Might be an NT, however unlikely it is. The reason I don't think it'll be a DM is because it looks like they took some weight off and within the last couple of years they've been putting weight on to increase the shot quality DM users love so much.


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 11:24 PM

DAT TRIGGA THOUGH DOG Looks hella tight. Although as always, MEH its Dye, always impressed never blown away. 


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 11:43 PM

come on now its clearly a dm9 they just removed the macro fittings to mess with us



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 12:08 AM

Theres a DM logo on the teaser; highly doubting its an NT.

I would imagine the bolt system has been changed quite a bit with it slimmed down the way it is though.

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 02:18 AM

Although o agree with that dough, rail and DAM are also there, DM might just be in front because it's dyes flagship marker? I seriously doubt that they would risk changing it so drastically when the major selling point of DMs was the "proven technology" partw
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Posted 09 September 2013 - 03:00 AM

Although o agree with that dough, rail and DAM are also there, DM might just be in front because it's dyes flagship marker? I seriously doubt that they would risk changing it so drastically when the major selling point of DMs was the "proven technology" partw

 

You're forgetting that they've made that "proven DM" for 5 years in a row now..... they need to do something different.



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 05:29 AM

I can't believe this. Is Dye finally getting their shit together?

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 05:44 AM

Dye has had their shit together, they just lacked the creature comforts that everyone wanted.
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Posted 09 September 2013 - 07:10 AM

if you can put the same gun out for 5 years and have solid sales numbers, i'd say your shit is very much "together."  Glad they went macro-less and didn't half ass it like PE did with the LV1 (sorry fan boys, they did).  Good things seem to be coming from DYE this year.  Looking forward to new soft good designs too!  


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 07:24 AM

 

Although o agree with that dough, rail and DAM are also there, DM might just be in front because it's dyes flagship marker? I seriously doubt that they would risk changing it so drastically when the major selling point of DMs was the "proven technology" partw

 

You're forgetting that they've made that "proven DM" for 5 years in a row now..... they need to do something different.

 

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 09:31 AM

I feel like the change from the 10 to 11 was important as well, with the UL2 frame. But thats just me.



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 10:48 AM

A slight change in the frame is hardly what I would consider an important change.

 

Although o agree with that dough, rail and DAM are also there, DM might just be in front because it's dyes flagship marker? I seriously doubt that they would risk changing it so drastically when the major selling point of DMs was the "proven technology" partw

 

They're the last holdout to the old way of yearly released guns, barely updated guns (if at all), and it's starting to show that the paintball consumers are getting tired of it. I'd say it would have been worse for them if they kept the DM the same. And the whole "proven technology" is referring to the engine of the gun, not whether it's macroless or not. The industry has shown for the last 5 years that macroless is a viable and proven option, and also one that is becoming necessary. Even stalwart Jack Wood had to give up a few concessions with the LV1, but still tried to appease the market in getting rid of macroline. If Jack Wood himself acknowledges the demand for macroless, then you know that is what the market wants.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 11:45 AM

Perhaps Dye is truly doing something different and attempting to merge the best parts of the DM with the best parts of the NT. Guess we will see in a couple of days.

I do agree that they need to stop with the annual releases though


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 11:50 AM

Perhaps Dye is truly doing something different and attempting to merge the best parts of the DM with the best parts of the NT. Guess we will see in a couple of days.

I do agree that they need to stop with the annual releases though

true but not likely to happen as that has served dye SOOOOOO well for so many years



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 11:52 AM

It's not like you can just merge the engines, and basically the only other difference between the two is an LPR. If they redesigned the DM bolt to work without an LPR though, that could be huge.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 12:19 PM

From a purely buyer's standpoint, the annual releases are always good for prices. From the technological standpoint... Dye skimped out since the DM9. Maybe this is the next step forward for Dye. I do like how it looks like there's more room between the reg and the trigger frame so maybe they're trying to pull an LV1 and make it comfortable for everyone. Newly designed Hyper 3.5?


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 12:29 PM

From a purely used buyer's standpoint, the annual releases are always good for prices.

 

FIFY. Dye's annual release with no changes are terrible for new customers, but great for the used market where Dye makes no money.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 04:02 PM

A slight change in the frame is hardly what I would consider an important change.

 

Although o agree with that dough, rail and DAM are also there, DM might just be in front because it's dyes flagship marker? I seriously doubt that they would risk changing it so drastically when the major selling point of DMs was the "proven technology" partw

 

They're the last holdout to the old way of yearly released guns, barely updated guns (if at all), and it's starting to show that the paintball consumers are getting tired of it. I'd say it would have been worse for them if they kept the DM the same. And the whole "proven technology" is referring to the engine of the gun, not whether it's macroless or not. The industry has shown for the last 5 years that macroless is a viable and proven option, and also one that is becoming necessary. Even stalwart Jack Wood had to give up a few concessions with the LV1, but still tried to appease the market in getting rid of macroline. If Jack Wood himself acknowledges the demand for macroless, then you know that is what the market wants.

As true as that is, it looks like weight has been taken off of the gun which is the opposite direction they were going with the DM12/13. Macroless makes no difference but if they were to make the gun lighter they would have to modify the engine to suit the changes wouldn't they? 


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 04:08 PM

The weight of the gun is independent of the design of the engine. Adding weight can be a conscious decision to add inertia to the platform to reduce the felt recoil, but sometimes it can also just be about aesthetics. Same thing with reducing weight. A few ounces is not significant enough to warrant a complete engine redesign. If they did redesign the engine, I'm pretty sure the weight considerations were down near the bottom of the list, especially in a modern gun that's already very light by most standards.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 04:18 PM

Well I guess we'll see! I'm excited to see another gun I can't get :'(


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 07:04 PM

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 09:24 PM

If its a DM in an NT body and macroless, i might just buy my first BNIB gun.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 10:08 PM

I was wondering when this information would go public.

I heard rumors about a hoseless DM 14 a month or two back



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 10:22 PM

An NT worth shooting hopefully, theres been enough of a timegap, and last time there was a decent change (ergos and trigger) it was on the NT first and trickled down to the DM. My guess is this is an NT, and the innovation here will be on the DM a year from now.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 10:44 PM

well, It'll probably be called NNT (Newer New Technology) now lol


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 11:06 PM

big changes wiht the DM line... DM5-DM6... DM8-DM9... DM11-DM12... if you look at the differences between each gun you can see changes... maybe not the changes people are crying out for now... but changes... the DM11 kept the DM9 bolt engine, but used the UL2 frame... the DM12 kept the UL2 frame, but did away witht he internal body milling to make the dump chamber bigger...

 

while i like the size and feel of the DM9... the DM8 is still the best shooting DM, in my eyes, to date... fast, smooth, and if tuned right, efficient... hopefully with the Dm14 Dye includes an OLED, or at the minimum a USB board, a new true bearing trigger, and macroless... would be perfect... the size of the overall gun to me doesnt matter... its a paintball gun, its not that heavy even with a 68.4500 and a full hopper... its not like you are carrying around a machine gun with 800 rounds of linked ammo... but, i they can slim the gun down and keep the same smooth shot, i'm game to try it


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 11:40 PM

well, It'll probably be called NNT (Newer New Technology) now lol

 

 

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 12:09 AM

 

well, It'll probably be called NNT (Newer New Technology) now lol

 

 

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:06 AM

An NT worth shooting hopefully, theres been enough of a timegap, and last time there was a decent change (ergos and trigger) it was on the NT first and trickled down to the DM. My guess is this is an NT, and the innovation here will be on the DM a year from now

if they keep up the yearly releases and hopefully the NT(2?) won't tank like the first



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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:59 AM

Built in Lpr into the reg?


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Posted 10 September 2013 - 05:37 PM

2013 is apparently the year of the ugly regulator. 


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Posted 10 September 2013 - 07:13 PM

Now all I want is a new Dye Pump,that would make my day but not my wallet.



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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:17 PM

The NT canabalized sales of the DM

 

Ans to make things worse, it pissed off more Dye users than it made happy. People thought the NT was an improved DM, it was never intended to be. The NT was designed for speed, the DM for brittle paint. 

 

The NT was meant for people who were used to shooting poppets, not existing customers who were shooting the DM spool

 

I don't think you'll be seeing the NT coming back for a long time. They stopped production on it almost 2 years ago

 

I definitely can see an improved DM, especially with the DAM that houses the reg inside the bolt assembly, that's just cool



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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:32 PM

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 11:09 PM

I'm really considering picking up a used NT. I have a DM10 and I think it's pretty sexy. But I lean towards poppits when it comes to markers, so I think the NT is more my style.

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 11:42 PM

i have a deal for a Dm13 in the pipe line right now... i've always loved how DM's shot... jsut wish dye would change a couple things, like an OLED screen and a true bearing trigger from the factory... if the Reach trigger came with dual sealed bearings and set scre adustments, instead of those conical screws, it would be a contender... also, if Dye were to work with Lurker to bring the Eigen ring as a factory option, would make the DM that much better


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 12:50 PM

It seems like Dye has made some steps in a right direction by actually changing the design of the gun. It's pretty much been the same for the last couple of years. But it's just another gun that I can't afford.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 03:08 PM

It seems like Dye has made some steps in a right direction by actually changing the design of the gun. It's pretty much been the same for the last couple of years. But it's just another gun that I can't afford.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 05:46 AM

Remeber the amazing PM8??

The LPR in the DM14 will be very similar allowing the gun to be a single tube (like the NT).

 

No macroline.

 

Same bolt, same reg and same solenoid. The board will be different to allow for the air transfer tubes inside the gripframe.


The operating pressure will be lower than the current DM13.

Finally we'll have all that's good about the DM's with a smaller profile and less weight!



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 06:05 AM

Remeber the amazing PM8??

The LPR in the DM14 will be very similar allowing the gun to be a single tube (like the NT).

 

No macroline.

 

Same bolt, same reg and same solenoid. The board will be different to allow for the air transfer tubes inside the gripframe.


The operating pressure will be lower than the current DM13.

Finally we'll have all that's good about the DM's with a smaller profile and less weight!

OR Be just like DAM's bolt which still allows for a single tube design. I'd say there are going with the newer technology. The PM8 was great but there is a reason why they didn't do the same thing to the DM series. 


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:26 AM

OR Be just like DAM's bolt which still allows for a single tube design.

 

In the DAM they put the regulator behind the bolt. Which means if they did that in the DM, it would make the gun 2-3 inches longer than it already is.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 04:03 PM

They could have developed a shorter engine/reg combo for the DM 14, who knows. I'm just saying that would be a genius idea and a super classy one at that. 


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 04:12 PM

Eh, I think you're giving that design too much credit. It's been done before in other guns like the Rogue and ZR-1, and it's nothing special. Dye did it to the DAM because they needed front space for the magazines, and needed grip space for the battery.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 05:18 PM

Eh, I think you're giving that design too much credit. It's been done before in other guns like the Rogue and ZR-1, and it's nothing special. Dye did it to the DAM because they needed front space for the magazines, and needed grip space for the battery.

yes, but it's dye dude... Almost the apple of paintball haha


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 06:14 AM

 

Remeber the amazing PM8??

The LPR in the DM14 will be very similar allowing the gun to be a single tube (like the NT).

 

No macroline.

 

Same bolt, same reg and same solenoid. The board will be different to allow for the air transfer tubes inside the gripframe.


The operating pressure will be lower than the current DM13.

Finally we'll have all that's good about the DM's with a smaller profile and less weight!

OR Be just like DAM's bolt which still allows for a single tube design. I'd say there are going with the newer technology. The PM8 was great but there is a reason why they didn't do the same thing to the DM series. 

 

The DAM has the regulator and the bolt in the same tube. It's not the LPR... Different desings. Trust me on this... ;)






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