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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:58 PM

Hello, havent played paintball since i was 12. I am now 23 (if that matters) and would like to start playing some recreational woodsball. I was given an A-5 with a response trigger for my birthday, so I need to buy a mask, tank, and some sort of coil. Im a big guy so tank weight isnt as much of a concern as it might be for some. If anyone could suggest a tank brand (ninja?) along with any other specifics I would appreciate the help. As for the mask, I remember when I was younger the fogging being brutal and forcing me to remove it to unfog it; therefore a non-fogging mask would be a necessity to me. I will shy away from giving concrete price limits as im the type of guy who would pay that extra little bit if I felt the quality would be worth it. Any help would be appreciated, thanks.

 

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 11:12 PM

For the mask check out the Vforce Grill and Profiler, JT Proflex, Empire E-Flex and E-Vents. The Dye i4 is a great mask too but may be too small for you.

Also I would strongly recommend skipping a remote line/coil, tanks work great as a shoulder support and the line makes it hard to swotch hands and the lack of a tank on the back throws most markers off balance.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 11:16 PM

For the mask check out the Vforce Grill and Profiler, JT Proflex, Empire E-Flex and E-Vents. The Dye i4 is a great mask too but may be too small for you.
Also I would strongly recommend skipping a remote line/coil, tanks work great as a shoulder support and the line makes it hard to swotch hands and the lack of a tank on the back throws most markers off balance.

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 12:28 AM

Pretty much everybody will recommend that you go into your nearest proshop to try masks on. thats the best way to find out what fits you the best, what gives you the most protection, what is most comfy, what breathes the best, etc...
as for tank, 68 or 77 cubic inch 4500 psi tanks will work the best especially since you're bigger guy
again if you can go into the store you'll be able to see the different lengths and see what will work the best for you


 


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 09:32 PM

For the mask check out the Vforce Grill and Profiler, JT Proflex, Empire E-Flex and E-Vents. The Dye i4 is a great mask too but may be too small for you.

Also I would strongly recommend skipping a remote line/coil, tanks work great as a shoulder support and the line makes it hard to swotch hands and the lack of a tank on the back throws most markers off balance.

Thank you sir for your response and input. I will go with a tank on the gun initially and see how it goes. I have a pretty big head as well, 7 5/8 fitted so that is also an excellent point. I will check for the ones you named; I just know that the anti-fogging is extremely important and dont want to end up with a p.o.s mask



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 09:38 PM

Sorry for the double post, just realized the multiquote function

 

 

For the mask check out the Vforce Grill and Profiler, JT Proflex, Empire E-Flex and E-Vents. The Dye i4 is a great mask too but may be too small for you.
Also I would strongly recommend skipping a remote line/coil, tanks work great as a shoulder support and the line makes it hard to swotch hands and the lack of a tank on the back throws most markers off balance.

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Plus ninja are arguably the best tanks out there.
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Alright, Ninja it is. And thanks.

 

Pretty much everybody will recommend that you go into your nearest proshop to try masks on. thats the best way to find out what fits you the best, what gives you the most protection, what is most comfy, what breathes the best, etc...
as for tank, 68 or 77 cubic inch 4500 psi tanks will work the best especially since you're bigger guy
again if you can go into the store you'll be able to see the different lengths and see what will work the best for you

 

Sounds like trying the masks on makes the most sense.

 

As for the tank, it doesnt matter at all between 68 or 77? I realize they stand for cubic inch, so is that the size of the tank? and the 4500 psi is the pressure, affecting velocity?

 

Also if I may, what about the regulator? I googled the tank and found 3-4 on amazon that appear to be nearly identical but range in price from 150-185.

Is that what im going to end up paying?

 

Thanks in advance



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 11:02 PM

Remote lines are good if you use a stock. Having a stock as well as a tank underneath is annoying.

 

Also, antifog spray works very well. Even when using a cheap rental mask the spray worked perfectly. In fact, I wasn't even using antifog spray, I was using Bath and Body Works gentle foaming hand soap. All you need to do is bring a bottle of that and a roll of toilet paper or tissues, then press the handle of the soap dispenser into the wad of tissues or toilet paper and dispense the soap, make sure that only the material is soaked in the soap, and that there is no extra soap foam on top. If you do it this way it shouldn't make any smear lines and your mask will be fog free. 

 

Note: This may not work for you, always try this out before you bring it to the field to avoid disappointment. You may also need to reapply it after matches.


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 11:05 PM

Sorry for the double post, just realized the multiquote function

 

 

For the mask check out the Vforce Grill and Profiler, JT Proflex, Empire E-Flex and E-Vents. The Dye i4 is a great mask too but may be too small for you.
Also I would strongly recommend skipping a remote line/coil, tanks work great as a shoulder support and the line makes it hard to swotch hands and the lack of a tank on the back throws most markers off balance.

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Plus ninja are arguably the best tanks out there.
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Alright, Ninja it is. And thanks.

 

Pretty much everybody will recommend that you go into your nearest proshop to try masks on. thats the best way to find out what fits you the best, what gives you the most protection, what is most comfy, what breathes the best, etc...
as for tank, 68 or 77 cubic inch 4500 psi tanks will work the best especially since you're bigger guy
again if you can go into the store you'll be able to see the different lengths and see what will work the best for you

 

Sounds like trying the masks on makes the most sense.

 

As for the tank, it doesnt matter at all between 68 or 77? I realize they stand for cubic inch, so is that the size of the tank? and the 4500 psi is the pressure, affecting velocity?

 

Also if I may, what about the regulator? I googled the tank and found 3-4 on amazon that appear to be nearly identical but range in price from 150-185.

Is that what im going to end up paying?

 

Thanks in advance

 

 

The pressure in the tank does not affect velocity, velocity is determined by a velocity adjuster knob on the marker. The extra pressure will just give you extra bang for your buck. I believe that it is estimated that you should get about 10 shots per cubic inch on 3000 PSI tanks, and 15 shots per cubic inch on 4500 PSI tanks, different markers are more or less air efficient, so those numbers are all just estimates.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 12:29 AM

 

Sorry for the double post, just realized the multiquote function

 

 

For the mask check out the Vforce Grill and Profiler, JT Proflex, Empire E-Flex and E-Vents. The Dye i4 is a great mask too but may be too small for you.
Also I would strongly recommend skipping a remote line/coil, tanks work great as a shoulder support and the line makes it hard to swotch hands and the lack of a tank on the back throws most markers off balance.

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Plus ninja are arguably the best tanks out there.
P.s welcome to techpb

 

 

Alright, Ninja it is. And thanks.

 

Pretty much everybody will recommend that you go into your nearest proshop to try masks on. thats the best way to find out what fits you the best, what gives you the most protection, what is most comfy, what breathes the best, etc...
as for tank, 68 or 77 cubic inch 4500 psi tanks will work the best especially since you're bigger guy
again if you can go into the store you'll be able to see the different lengths and see what will work the best for you

 

Sounds like trying the masks on makes the most sense.

 

As for the tank, it doesnt matter at all between 68 or 77? I realize they stand for cubic inch, so is that the size of the tank? and the 4500 psi is the pressure, affecting velocity?

 

Also if I may, what about the regulator? I googled the tank and found 3-4 on amazon that appear to be nearly identical but range in price from 150-185.

Is that what im going to end up paying?

 

Thanks in advance

 

 

The pressure in the tank does not affect velocity, velocity is determined by a velocity adjuster knob on the marker. The extra pressure will just give you extra bang for your buck. I believe that it is estimated that you should get about 10 shots per cubic inch on 3000 PSI tanks, and 15 shots per cubic inch on 4500 PSI tanks, different markers are more or less air efficient, so those numbers are all just estimates.

 

you're definitely gonna want the 4500psi tank because tippmanns aren't the most efficient markers, especially with the response trigger and cyclone feed eating away at your air
ninja tanks are going to be the best and i would highly suggest a tank with an SHP (super high pressure) reg for optimum performance.
expect to be paying between $160 and $190 for a tank new, or you can look used as well


 


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 02:50 AM

 

 

Sorry for the double post, just realized the multiquote function

 

 

For the mask check out the Vforce Grill and Profiler, JT Proflex, Empire E-Flex and E-Vents. The Dye i4 is a great mask too but may be too small for you.
Also I would strongly recommend skipping a remote line/coil, tanks work great as a shoulder support and the line makes it hard to swotch hands and the lack of a tank on the back throws most markers off balance.

^
Plus ninja are arguably the best tanks out there.
P.s welcome to techpb

 

 

Alright, Ninja it is. And thanks.

 

Pretty much everybody will recommend that you go into your nearest proshop to try masks on. thats the best way to find out what fits you the best, what gives you the most protection, what is most comfy, what breathes the best, etc...
as for tank, 68 or 77 cubic inch 4500 psi tanks will work the best especially since you're bigger guy
again if you can go into the store you'll be able to see the different lengths and see what will work the best for you

 

Sounds like trying the masks on makes the most sense.

 

As for the tank, it doesnt matter at all between 68 or 77? I realize they stand for cubic inch, so is that the size of the tank? and the 4500 psi is the pressure, affecting velocity?

 

Also if I may, what about the regulator? I googled the tank and found 3-4 on amazon that appear to be nearly identical but range in price from 150-185.

Is that what im going to end up paying?

 

Thanks in advance

 

 

The pressure in the tank does not affect velocity, velocity is determined by a velocity adjuster knob on the marker. The extra pressure will just give you extra bang for your buck. I believe that it is estimated that you should get about 10 shots per cubic inch on 3000 PSI tanks, and 15 shots per cubic inch on 4500 PSI tanks, different markers are more or less air efficient, so those numbers are all just estimates.

 

you're definitely gonna want the 4500psi tank because tippmanns aren't the most efficient markers, especially with the response trigger and cyclone feed eating away at your air
ninja tanks are going to be the best and i would highly suggest a tank with an SHP (super high pressure) reg for optimum performance.
expect to be paying between $160 and $190 for a tank new, or you can look used as well

 

oh god no. seriously dont listen to this guy about the super high pressure reg. you hardly ever need SHP and if OP gets a new marker, guess what! he wont be able to use his tank because the reg's pressure will shit on his marker and blow 0-rings and other shit. never seen an incident where a marker needs SHP although i know a very select few marker need/pref SHP out there.


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 01:49 PM

 

 

 

Sorry for the double post, just realized the multiquote function

 

 

For the mask check out the Vforce Grill and Profiler, JT Proflex, Empire E-Flex and E-Vents. The Dye i4 is a great mask too but may be too small for you.
Also I would strongly recommend skipping a remote line/coil, tanks work great as a shoulder support and the line makes it hard to swotch hands and the lack of a tank on the back throws most markers off balance.

^
Plus ninja are arguably the best tanks out there.
P.s welcome to techpb

 

 

Alright, Ninja it is. And thanks.

 

Pretty much everybody will recommend that you go into your nearest proshop to try masks on. thats the best way to find out what fits you the best, what gives you the most protection, what is most comfy, what breathes the best, etc...
as for tank, 68 or 77 cubic inch 4500 psi tanks will work the best especially since you're bigger guy
again if you can go into the store you'll be able to see the different lengths and see what will work the best for you

 

Sounds like trying the masks on makes the most sense.

 

As for the tank, it doesnt matter at all between 68 or 77? I realize they stand for cubic inch, so is that the size of the tank? and the 4500 psi is the pressure, affecting velocity?

 

Also if I may, what about the regulator? I googled the tank and found 3-4 on amazon that appear to be nearly identical but range in price from 150-185.

Is that what im going to end up paying?

 

Thanks in advance

 

 

The pressure in the tank does not affect velocity, velocity is determined by a velocity adjuster knob on the marker. The extra pressure will just give you extra bang for your buck. I believe that it is estimated that you should get about 10 shots per cubic inch on 3000 PSI tanks, and 15 shots per cubic inch on 4500 PSI tanks, different markers are more or less air efficient, so those numbers are all just estimates.

 

you're definitely gonna want the 4500psi tank because tippmanns aren't the most efficient markers, especially with the response trigger and cyclone feed eating away at your air
ninja tanks are going to be the best and i would highly suggest a tank with an SHP (super high pressure) reg for optimum performance.
expect to be paying between $160 and $190 for a tank new, or you can look used as well

 

oh god no. seriously dont listen to this guy about the super high pressure reg. you hardly ever need SHP and if OP gets a new marker, guess what! he wont be able to use his tank because the reg's pressure will shit on his marker and blow 0-rings and other shit. never seen an incident where a marker needs SHP although i know a very select few marker need/pref SHP out there.

 

it is a tippmann a5 with a response trigger and cyclone feed though. tippmanns like high output tanks and i highly doubt you would blow orings, especially with a tippmann


 


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 05:28 PM

I wear a size 7 7/8 in hats, so I feel your pain OP. I recommend checking out: EFlexes, Sly Profits, Proflexes, and Grillz for masks.

As for a tank, go with a Ninja with a normal reg, don't sweat getting an SHPbor SLP reg..

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 08:10 PM


 


 


 


Sorry for the double post, just realized the multiquote function
 


 

For the mask check out the Vforce Grill and Profiler, JT Proflex, Empire E-Flex and E-Vents. The Dye i4 is a great mask too but may be too small for you.
Also I would strongly recommend skipping a remote line/coil, tanks work great as a shoulder support and the line makes it hard to swotch hands and the lack of a tank on the back throws most markers off balance.

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Plus ninja are arguably the best tanks out there.
P.s welcome to techpb
 
 
Alright, Ninja it is. And thanks.
 

Pretty much everybody will recommend that you go into your nearest proshop to try masks on. thats the best way to find out what fits you the best, what gives you the most protection, what is most comfy, what breathes the best, etc...
as for tank, 68 or 77 cubic inch 4500 psi tanks will work the best especially since you're bigger guy
again if you can go into the store you'll be able to see the different lengths and see what will work the best for you

 
Sounds like trying the masks on makes the most sense.
 
As for the tank, it doesnt matter at all between 68 or 77? I realize they stand for cubic inch, so is that the size of the tank? and the 4500 psi is the pressure, affecting velocity?
 
Also if I may, what about the regulator? I googled the tank and found 3-4 on amazon that appear to be nearly identical but range in price from 150-185.
Is that what im going to end up paying?
 
Thanks in advance
 
 
The pressure in the tank does not affect velocity, velocity is determined by a velocity adjuster knob on the marker. The extra pressure will just give you extra bang for your buck. I believe that it is estimated that you should get about 10 shots per cubic inch on 3000 PSI tanks, and 15 shots per cubic inch on 4500 PSI tanks, different markers are more or less air efficient, so those numbers are all just estimates.
 
you're definitely gonna want the 4500psi tank because tippmanns aren't the most efficient markers, especially with the response trigger and cyclone feed eating away at your air
ninja tanks are going to be the best and i would highly suggest a tank with an SHP (super high pressure) reg for optimum performance.
expect to be paying between $160 and $190 for a tank new, or you can look used as well
 
oh god no. seriously dont listen to this guy about the super high pressure reg. you hardly ever need SHP and if OP gets a new marker, guess what! he wont be able to use his tank because the reg's pressure will shit on his marker and blow 0-rings and other shit. never seen an incident where a marker needs SHP although i know a very select few marker need/pref SHP out there.
 
it is a tippmann a5 with a response trigger and cyclone feed though. tippmanns like high output tanks and i highly doubt you would blow orings, especially with a tippmann

Or you could just leave the shims in an adjustable reg and have a reg that will work flawless for any marker...

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 10:21 PM

Holy quote of a quote of a quote of a.....l2post

 

SHP is really for automags. A standard 850psi or so output pressure is what you want for an A-5. The Ninja reg comes stock at high pressure. Do not remove any shims for use with an A-5 or other high pressure blowback...and for that matter, there are very few cases where you even should bother to remove any shims.

 

I run 4/4 of my regulated low pressure guns with high pressure ninja regs.



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 09:22 AM

The Empire Events are a very good mask and for the HPA tank, I have a crossfire 68/45 tank and is very light weight.  If you are playing woodsball I would get a bigger tank.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 03:50 PM

Welcome to the Forum Tyler, I'd say get the ninja tank and as for the Mask my favorites are HK army or Dye invision


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 03:58 PM

Welcome to the Forum Tyler, I'd say get the ninja tank and as for the Mask my favorites are HK army or Dye invision

The HK mask hasn't even been released yet...

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 04:08 PM

 

Welcome to the Forum Tyler, I'd say get the ninja tank and as for the Mask my favorites are HK army or Dye invision

The HK mask hasn't even been released yet...

 

Oops sorry I meant US army Goggles, I was thinking HK cause I was just checking out some of their inventory earlier lol..The US army ranger performance goggles are a good affordable choice and they fit really well based on my experience


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 08:27 PM

 

 

Welcome to the Forum Tyler, I'd say get the ninja tank and as for the Mask my favorites are HK army or Dye invision

The HK mask hasn't even been released yet...

 

Oops sorry I meant US army Goggles, I was thinking HK cause I was just checking out some of their inventory earlier lol..The US army ranger performance goggles are a good affordable choice and they fit really well based on my experience

 

theres better goggles for the price than tippmanns US army goggles
the Vforce pro vantage, proto switch goggles, even the valken mi-7


 


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:07 PM

 

 

 

Welcome to the Forum Tyler, I'd say get the ninja tank and as for the Mask my favorites are HK army or Dye invision

The HK mask hasn't even been released yet...

 

Oops sorry I meant US army Goggles, I was thinking HK cause I was just checking out some of their inventory earlier lol..The US army ranger performance goggles are a good affordable choice and they fit really well based on my experience

 

theres better goggles for the price than tippmanns US army goggles
the Vforce pro vantage, proto switch goggles, even the valken mi-7

 

Then I suggest you buy those!


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 03:33 PM

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=0kSQXW7Hc3I

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 02:45 PM

A 48/3000 ninja tank wouldnt be a bad choice. And its quite cheaper than 4500s but that all depends on what u think is best for u. I have one and it does the job perfectly for me. Just gotta fill it up more often and a little bit more weight to it since its aluminum.

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 03:43 PM

A 48/3000 ninja tank wouldnt be a bad choice. And its quite cheaper than 4500s but that all depends on what u think is best for u. I have one and it does the job perfectly for me. Just gotta fill it up more often and a little bit more weight to it since its aluminum.

you wont get many shots from that with an a5


 


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Posted 01 November 2013 - 10:20 PM

Trust me you want to invest in a good mask I would suggest VForce Grillz you can pick some up for like 80 bucks and its a mask that the pros use and for a tank get a ninja 4500 psi size according to how you play but 68/4500 is preferable for most people.



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Posted 01 November 2013 - 10:31 PM

Trust me you want to invest in a good mask I would suggest VForce Grillz you can pick some up for like 80 bucks and its a mask that the pros use and for a tank get a ninja 4500 psi size according to how you play but 68/4500 is preferable for most people.

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 10:46 PM

Hello everyone, thanks for the responses. I've been sidetracked searching for jobs and paying to get my car fixed so this topic has taken a back-burner.

 

http://www.amazon.co...s=ninja 68 4500

 

Ninja 68/4500 carbon fiber w/ regulator

 

this seems to be the consensus from posters. Would the link above be appropriate? Black is $160.



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 12:59 AM

Hello everyone, thanks for the responses. I've been sidetracked searching for jobs and paying to get my car fixed so this topic has taken a back-burner.

 

http://www.amazon.co...s=ninja 68 4500

 

Ninja 68/4500 carbon fiber w/ regulator

 

this seems to be the consensus from posters. Would the link above be appropriate? Black is $160.

grey ghost will be the cheapest ninja /4500 tank however if you want black then get black. I also suggest you buy from an actual paintball website or physical paintball store instead of amazon, only to support a store/website that depends on the relatively small (in comparison to other hobbies or industries) paintball community to stay in business. However if you don't feel like paying the tax on your tank then by all means pick amazon.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 03:07 AM

 

 

 

 

Sorry for the double post, just realized the multiquote function

 

 

For the mask check out the Vforce Grill and Profiler, JT Proflex, Empire E-Flex and E-Vents. The Dye i4 is a great mask too but may be too small for you.
Also I would strongly recommend skipping a remote line/coil, tanks work great as a shoulder support and the line makes it hard to swotch hands and the lack of a tank on the back throws most markers off balance.

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Plus ninja are arguably the best tanks out there.
P.s welcome to techpb

 

 

Alright, Ninja it is. And thanks.

 

Pretty much everybody will recommend that you go into your nearest proshop to try masks on. thats the best way to find out what fits you the best, what gives you the most protection, what is most comfy, what breathes the best, etc...
as for tank, 68 or 77 cubic inch 4500 psi tanks will work the best especially since you're bigger guy
again if you can go into the store you'll be able to see the different lengths and see what will work the best for you

 

Sounds like trying the masks on makes the most sense.

 

As for the tank, it doesnt matter at all between 68 or 77? I realize they stand for cubic inch, so is that the size of the tank? and the 4500 psi is the pressure, affecting velocity?

 

Also if I may, what about the regulator? I googled the tank and found 3-4 on amazon that appear to be nearly identical but range in price from 150-185.

Is that what im going to end up paying?

 

Thanks in advance

 

 

The pressure in the tank does not affect velocity, velocity is determined by a velocity adjuster knob on the marker. The extra pressure will just give you extra bang for your buck. I believe that it is estimated that you should get about 10 shots per cubic inch on 3000 PSI tanks, and 15 shots per cubic inch on 4500 PSI tanks, different markers are more or less air efficient, so those numbers are all just estimates.

 

you're definitely gonna want the 4500psi tank because tippmanns aren't the most efficient markers, especially with the response trigger and cyclone feed eating away at your air
ninja tanks are going to be the best and i would highly suggest a tank with an SHP (super high pressure) reg for optimum performance.
expect to be paying between $160 and $190 for a tank new, or you can look used as well

 

oh god no. seriously dont listen to this guy about the super high pressure reg. you hardly ever need SHP and if OP gets a new marker, guess what! he wont be able to use his tank because the reg's pressure will shit on his marker and blow 0-rings and other shit. never seen an incident where a marker needs SHP although i know a very select few marker need/pref SHP out there.

 

it is a tippmann a5 with a response trigger and cyclone feed though. tippmanns like high output tanks and i highly doubt you would blow orings, especially with a tippmann

 

you are thinking short term though. like i said before in my other post. " if OP gets a new marker, guess what! he wont be able to use his tank because the reg's pressure will shit on his marker and blow 0-rings and other shit". when i mean new marker im talking about an upgrade not just another blow back 


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 04:20 PM

 

Hello everyone, thanks for the responses. I've been sidetracked searching for jobs and paying to get my car fixed so this topic has taken a back-burner.

 

http://www.amazon.co...s=ninja 68 4500

 

Ninja 68/4500 carbon fiber w/ regulator

 

this seems to be the consensus from posters. Would the link above be appropriate? Black is $160.

grey ghost will be the cheapest ninja /4500 tank however if you want black then get black. I also suggest you buy from an actual paintball website or physical paintball store instead of amazon, only to support a store/website that depends on the relatively small (in comparison to other hobbies or industries) paintball community to stay in business. However if you don't feel like paying the tax on your tank then by all means pick amazon.

 

 

By grey ghost do you just mean the grey tank? And im not opposed to that, do you have any websites you'd suggest that would have good prices but also support the cause?






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