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#1 Bluesfan6

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 06:54 PM

Azodin kaos pump or ans gx4. I need help deciding between these two. If u have any recommendations for around 275$ for a pump gun, please let me know.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 06:59 PM

Empire sniper

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:11 PM

That's like 430$

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 10:06 PM

For 275 you could find a decent used ccmd cocker pump.



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Posted 28 October 2013 - 03:15 PM

Not a used empire sniper

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 06:32 PM

For 275 you could find a decent used ccmd cocker pump.


I agree, but this is only if you are open to buying used.
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Posted 29 October 2013 - 03:14 PM

 

For 275 you could find a decent used ccmd cocker pump.


I agree, but this is only if you are open to buying used.

 

i would do this, used cocker pump will be your best bet.


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Posted 29 October 2013 - 06:23 PM

From someone who shoots a CCMed cocker pump, but who also owns two Azodin KPs for loaners: People bag on the AKP, but it's a great starter pump for the money. You can find them under $100 on BSTs or eBay sometimes...that's a great deal. The nice thing about buying used pump guns is that there is no board or solenoid to worry about. Worse comes to worst, maybe you have to replace a valve or a cup seal, some o-rings, or a spring or two.

  • Pros of a Kaos Pump: inexpensive, very lightweight, standard barrel and feedneck threads, clamping feedneck, midblocked (so you can adjust velocity without removing a cocking rod), smooth pump stroke (which only improves as it breaks in).
  • Cons of a Kaos Pump: truly bad stock barrel (yes, such things exist), metric hex screws (inconvenient if every other marker you own is SAE), farts (many pumps do), pointless double trigger (doesn't impact performance)

If I were shopping for a starter pump, I'd do one of the following:

  1. Spend $100 or less for a used Kaos Pump. Get an underbored barrel or kit to go with it. Don't spend any more money on it. If you're going to spend more money on it,
  2. For $250-$350, get a nice used CCMed sniper with a clamping feedneck and maybe autotrigger, or
  3. For less than $100, get a used cocker and put a pump kit on it, or
  4. Buy a Phantom.

I have no experience with the ANS gun, but it looks like it has a press-fit feedneck. That's a deal-breaker for me, but you might not care.



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Posted 29 October 2013 - 10:43 PM

From someone who shoots a CCMed cocker pump, but who also owns two Azodin KPs for loaners: People bag on the AKP, but it's a great starter pump for the money. You can find them under $100 on BSTs or eBay sometimes...that's a great deal. The nice thing about buying used pump guns is that there is no board or solenoid to worry about. Worse comes to worst, maybe you have to replace a valve or a cup seal, some o-rings, or a spring or two.

  • Pros of a Kaos Pump: inexpensive, very lightweight, standard barrel and feedneck threads, clamping feedneck, midblocked (so you can adjust velocity without removing a cocking rod), smooth pump stroke (which only improves as it breaks in).
  • Cons of a Kaos Pump: truly bad stock barrel (yes, such things exist), metric hex screws (inconvenient if every other marker you own is SAE), farts (many pumps do), pointless double trigger (doesn't impact performance)
If I were shopping for a starter pump, I'd do one of the following:
  • Spend $100 or less for a used Kaos Pump. Get an underbored barrel or kit to go with it. Don't spend any more money on it. If you're going to spend more money on it,
  • For $250-$350, get a nice used CCMed sniper with a clamping feedneck and maybe autotrigger, or
  • For less than $100, get a used cocker and put a pump kit on it, or
  • Buy a Phantom.
I have no experience with the ANS gun, but it looks like it has a press-fit feedneck. That's a deal-breaker for me, but you might not care.

Thanks, this helped me a lot!

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 10:50 PM

Old dude pb, you seem to know a lot about pump, what is a good size underbored barrel

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 11:08 PM

Old dude pb, you seem to know a lot about pump, what is a good size underbored barrel

 

Most often, I use a .679 Freak insert in a Deadlywind Fibur. The Lurker Eigenbarrel in .678 looks good too.



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 01:51 AM

Ok,thanks

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 06:44 PM

About underbores, it depends on your area and paint. I use something between .676-.679 without problems, but I've also seen people get rollouts with a .675 on the same day
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Posted 30 October 2013 - 10:53 PM

Ok, in the summer it's about 90 would you recommend like a .79

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 11:31 AM

Everything depends on how your paint bores out. You need to get it in your hands before you make this decision.

If your paint bores out around .685 then a .678/9 may be ok or may pinch the paint too much if it swells during the day. There is no one answer.

Edited by Sydarm, 31 October 2013 - 01:41 PM.


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Posted 31 October 2013 - 06:28 PM

^ that, I've used up to a .685 on a pump without problems, but I was reading on mcb where somebody had a custom .667 freak insert made.
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Posted 31 October 2013 - 10:16 PM

Well if it's under .675 it's probably brass. I think it was Ty on MCB that was selling those brass inserts
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Posted 01 November 2013 - 06:27 PM

Yep. Must have been.
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