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Posted 13 November 2013 - 02:35 PM

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This is the first reveal of the D3S. It's a spool design hose-less marker operating at 150-160psi. Using D3FY's MICRO SQ Board you're able to easily change from 4 modes: semi-auto, PSP-Ramp, Full Auto, and 3 round burst. We'll have much more on this in the December issue of PaintballX3 Magazine!

Check out more about the the D3S HERE: http://www.d3fysports.com/


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Posted 13 November 2013 - 04:28 PM

Looks like an uglier Vapour, they sure are determined to hide it from you, black background black gun.


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Posted 13 November 2013 - 04:39 PM

Look at it again

 

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 04:47 PM

That's the original Rogue, not the D3fy gun. It does appear that the D3fy gun shares design elements of the Rogue, but we don't know that for sure.


There were pictures that have since been removed that show an unmilled metal body, with a plastic shell, much like an Ion. Under the body at the front there was what looked like a large clapper solenoid, but the gun is most likely not a sear tripper. It probably functions like the clapper solenoid on the Valken Proton.


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Posted 13 November 2013 - 04:47 PM

Yes, that's what I'm saying.  If you look at it again, you'll see that it looks like something other than the Vapor; rather it's a re-branded Rogue.  My apologies for being unclear.


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Posted 13 November 2013 - 08:10 PM

http://www.zephyrpai...y/markers.d3fy/

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 09:04 PM

Ew, please go under a redesign pls and thanks.



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Posted 13 November 2013 - 09:27 PM

That is some pretty ugly milling and probably the dumbest looking eye covers I've seen.

I hope it isn't expensive..



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Posted 13 November 2013 - 09:44 PM

That is some pretty ugly milling and probably the dumbest looking eye covers I've seen.

I hope it isn't expensive..

d3fy said on instagram that the marker was gonna retail between $300 and $350
ik i used instagram as my source but thats all i could find in terms of estimated price


 


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Posted 13 November 2013 - 09:45 PM

Even though I said it earlier in the thread, I'll say it again. What you're seeing is not milling, but a plastic outer body like Ions have.


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Posted 13 November 2013 - 09:51 PM

So it's a smartparts version of the rogue more or less.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:10 PM

Yeah, please have that body go under a redesign or have it be a piece that you can take off and not hinder the operation.

 

 

Also, looking at their website, it seems as though they rebrand a lot of ICS Airsoft Guns under their "D3FY" brand.

That means that I won't be surprised if this is just an OEM Rogue with little redesigns here and there.
If my prediction is correct, the ASA oring will burst every now and then and they will have little nuances about them.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:43 AM

i hope this turns out to be a good shooter. 


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:51 AM

Yeah, please have that body go under a redesign or have it be a piece that you can take off and not hinder the operation.

 

 

Also, looking at their website, it seems as though they rebrand a lot of ICS Airsoft Guns under their "D3FY" brand.

That means that I won't be surprised if this is just an OEM Rogue with little redesigns here and there.
If my prediction is correct, the ASA oring will burst every now and then and they will have little nuances about them.

I was a tester for the Rogue during its prototype phase. That ASA is just like the G6R. While the marker can handle high pressure, the ASA cannot. Low pressure tanks work just fine on that ASA.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 09:52 AM

Still.
$10 it's an OEM Rogue from hostile inc., and they're trying to get whatever they can get before they shut down.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 11:28 AM

Since its a plastic body, surely they cant be asking more than $300 for this?


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 11:46 AM

Still.
$10 it's an OEM Rogue from hostile inc., and they're trying to get whatever they can get before they shut down.

 

It's not. Read what I posted earlier, It's got an unmilled metal core that is covered by a plastic outer body like an Ion or a WGP MG7, and it has what looks like a clapper solenoid under the breech that probably works like the one in the WGP MG7 or Valken Proton. If it is a Rogue design, it has been greatly changed and altered around the main core.

 

Since its a plastic body, surely they cant be asking more than $300 for this?

 

We think price is gonna be $300-350ish


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 11:55 AM

The big question. If it functions like a Proton and is engineered like an Ion. Is it worth a 300.00-350.00 price tag or is it better to just buy a brand new eXTCy?



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Posted 14 November 2013 - 11:56 AM

If it's a Rogue on the inside, it will function like a Geo/Crome/Drone/G3, not a Proton. I was just referring to how the clapper solenoid operates, not the whole gun.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:46 PM

Geo 1 or 2?

$350 sounds a little outlandish if it's gonna be a run of the mill dump valve...



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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:31 PM

If it's a Rogue on the inside, it will function like a Geo/Crome/Drone/G3, not a Proton. I was just referring to how the clapper solenoid operates, not the whole gun.

If I'm not mistaken, the Crossover is also using the clapper solenoid.  It would seem like a clapper is fairly simple, but is there anything about it that would make it worse for an electropneumatic?  I'm struggling to think of how it would impact firing performance.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:43 PM

It won't affect shot quality. A clapper solenoid is essentially just a giant direct acting pilot section. They are most likely using it to move a secondary spool back and forth under the breech which acts exactly like a whole self contained solenoid unit does. Using a clapper noid is cheaper, but at the expense of size and battery usage.


For example, this is the WGP MG-7, which is a blow-forward spool pretty much like the G3 internally. It uses a clapper noid to actuate as well.

 

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 03:28 PM

Looks like a new ion!


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 09:51 PM

It's a pancake solenoid

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 10:05 PM

Clapper, pancake, meh. I've heard it both ways.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 11:34 PM

I personally love the design
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Posted 15 November 2013 - 07:11 AM

probably the dumbest looking eye covers I've seen.

*cough* Geo *cough*

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 11:34 AM

Love the video's FSDO

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 12:15 PM

Huge different in my opinion between a Geo1 (utter crap) and a Geo2 (a great marker) because of the moving propshaft in the Geo2 that cuts off air flow like the old style Matrix Slambolt. This looks to be a Geo1 (without even the solenoid with the ball check-valve), and so I see no reason to get it over the G5 which is in the same price range and internals except better features. They're likely to have the same harsh shot that standard dump valves are known for, and I doubt TechT will be as quick to release an L7 bolt to fix it for this new marker as they will be for the G5.

 

I could be wrong though. After all, the marker isn't even out yet.


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 03:58 PM

The original comparison was expecting this marker to be like a Geo/Crome/Drone/G3.  How everyone then got fixated on it having performance exactly like a Geo 1 is lost to me.  Would someone say a Drone has the same performance as a Geo 1?  No, I doubt they would.  I think waiting to see how it performs until after release is a good idea.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:04 PM

Uglier than a vanquish, axe, etc. The looks of this just screams at me the wrong way. Also the price is higher than that of a not half bad looking ion that can be upgraded and cheaaaaaaaap. Don't think I will see this gun on the field often.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 11:06 PM

Frankly I think it looks fresh, paintball gun styling has gotten stale , i don't think it's the best looking gun but it looks different and that may help it stand out as along as the  internals Stand up to the competition. 


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 12:45 AM

for $300 its a steal forget the reflex rail, drone dx, axe, etna, etc this is number one on my list. and holidays are coming up and I have enough money from all the birthdays (no one knew what i wanted so I got money) to afford this marker :D !!!!!!!! :tup:



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 01:35 AM

The original comparison was expecting this marker to be like a Geo/Crome/Drone/G3.  How everyone then got fixated on it having performance exactly like a Geo 1 is lost to me.  Would someone say a Drone has the same performance as a Geo 1?  No, I doubt they would.  I think waiting to see how it performs until after release is a good idea.

you do realize the g3, drone, and geo series are all dump valve spools right?...


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 01:38 AM

for $300 its a steal forget the reflex rail, drone dx, axe, etna, etc this is number one on my list. and holidays are coming up and I have enough money from all the birthdays (no one knew what i wanted so I got money) to afford this marker :D !!!!!!!! :tup:

how do you know its a steal in your opinion? what has led you to this conclusion other than its cheaper slightly than the other markers you've mentioned. im interested in knowing.


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 02:21 AM

for $300 its a steal forget the reflex rail, drone dx, axe, etna, etc this is number one on my list. and holidays are coming up and I have enough money from all the birthdays (no one knew what i wanted so I got money) to afford this marker :D !!!!!!!! :tup:

Thats a pretty big claim especially if you're basing that off of a couple pictures on the internet...

 

Side Note: Nice to see another macrolineless marker in the $300 range. It had to be a spoolie though...



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 03:40 AM

 

for $300 its a steal forget the reflex rail, drone dx, axe, etna, etc this is number one on my list. and holidays are coming up and I have enough money from all the birthdays (no one knew what i wanted so I got money) to afford this marker :D !!!!!!!! :tup:

Thats a pretty big claim especially if you're basing that off of a couple pictures on the internet...

 

Side Note: Nice to see another macrolineless marker in the $300 range. It had to be a spoolie though...

 

thats because its basically a rogue


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 10:28 AM

 

 

for $300 its a steal forget the reflex rail, drone dx, axe, etna, etc this is number one on my list. and holidays are coming up and I have enough money from all the birthdays (no one knew what i wanted so I got money) to afford this marker :D !!!!!!!! :tup:

Thats a pretty big claim especially if you're basing that off of a couple pictures on the internet...

 

Side Note: Nice to see another macrolineless marker in the $300 range. It had to be a spoolie though...

 

thats because its basically a rogue

 

No it actually isn't. Externally it looks very similar but internally is much different


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 10:58 AM

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:43 PM

That first (technically second) shot.

 

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 04:34 PM

Their website says $349.99. Also, I have yet to see a picture of the bolt engine, or even internals. I am failing to see where everyone is getting the idea that it is a Rogue. I also have yet to see any proof that it is a dump valve.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 04:38 PM

This is why we know it's like a Rogue:

 

 

I'll jump in as well - I've spoken to the company and from what I can tell it's all above board. The reason there are similarities to the rogue is because they're from the same OEM, and the D3FY seems to be an evolution of the design rather than an entirely new product.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 07:45 PM

yeah, Hodge posted that on PBN. I was half right, from the same OEM.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:28 PM

Its looks decent to me and they are priced at 299.99$ on ansgear  http://www.ansgear.c...gory_s/4729.htm



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Posted 08 December 2013 - 11:31 PM

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 12:07 AM

Full manual, for those interested: http://media.wix.com...0c03e01443f.pdf


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 12:30 AM

No serious player will ever buy that marker. That's a joke of a board. You cannot adjust the ROF for the modes, and "PSP Mode" is hard set at 15 BPS ramp, and it does NOT have a 1 second timeout. It's a shit board, and there's no chance of replacing it with anything.

 

I don't see this marker selling well at all. That's extremely poor thought for the board. It's 2013, not 2003. Seriously, this board is trash.


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 01:25 AM

You need to calm your tits.


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 01:37 AM

I find it interesting that it uses a pancake/clapper solenoid, but it doesn't trip a sear, to my knowledge. Is this the first time this kind of solenoid has been used in this way?



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Posted 09 December 2013 - 01:42 AM

I find it interesting that it uses a pancake/clapper solenoid, but it doesn't trip a sear, to my knowledge. Is this the first time this kind of solenoid has been used in this way?

 

No. Off the top of my head the Mokal Aura/Valken Proton gun used a pancake solenoid to push a spool.

 

When we look at solenoids however, a pancake pushing a spool isn't that different from a typical direct acting solenoid. The coil energizes and moves an armature, which is connected to a spool that redirects a flow of air. In this case, the pancake is the coil and armature, and the spool is still the spool. The size of everything is a bit bigger and the whole of the package is no longer in one little self contained unit like a typical solenoid, but it functions in the same way.

 

This is a MAC 43, a direct acting 3-way solenoid. Notice how it has a coil around the armature, which is directly connected to the spool. The coil energizes, and moves the armature, which moves the spool. Exact same process as the D3fy solenoid setup, just in a self contained and small unit.

 

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Edited by andrewthewookie, 09 December 2013 - 01:43 AM.

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