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#1 Justin B.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 03:01 PM

Now before you say, "Why do you want a new barrel? The length and type doesn't matter!", that is not why I am making this thread :P. I want to know what the best barrel is based on just honing and other factors because I already understand that length and size don't affect accuracy. So, I am asking about a new barrel or kit because currently I am using a 16" CP 2 piece barrel and I hate it just because its a little long for my taste and I want a 14" barrel. So, I have heard a lot of people at my field like the freak barrel kits and I want to know if I should get one because I am going to be playing tournaments in the 2014 season and I am likely to encounter varying paint sizes. Although I know the only thing underboring really does, is get you slightly better efficiency. So my question is:

 

Should I get a Freak barrel kit or is there a better barrel kit or barrel out there?

 

(I don't care about price right now so anything goes recommendation wise)


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 03:05 PM

Get another CP two piece with a shorter front and a different bored back.  You now have a kit.



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Posted 01 December 2013 - 03:13 PM

I would get a 14" tip for your cp, the only people who really need a whole kit are pumpers.
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Posted 01 December 2013 - 03:17 PM

I would get a 14" tip for your cp, the only people who really need a whole kit are people who use closed bolt markers

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but yes i agree with buying more for your cp barrel, get a new front and a few backs if you feel the need for it. other then that if you want a full kit i would get a freak kits, my favourite freak barrel out there right now is the deadly wind fibur. i would pick up one of those and a freak insert kit.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 03:49 PM

OK my only problem with a new CP front is that I don't like the very tip where it is wavy. Also, my barrel back is kinda old because the previous owner just gave me a random barrel and the black anodizing doesn't quite match the front. So is it still worth it to get a whole new CP barrel or should I look into a freak kit or something else?


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 04:13 PM

Also, does anyone recommend the Dye ultralight?

 

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 04:15 PM

buy a used freak kit because that is what you are set on doing anyway 


And the UL is a waste of money. 


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 04:16 PM

buy a used freak kit because that is what you are set on doing anyway 

 

What do you mean? I'm not set on doing that. I honestly want to know what he way to go is.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 04:18 PM

Used freak kit with your choice of barrel.

 

I love the luxe back and the spiral front.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 04:20 PM

Used freak kit with your choice of barrel.

 

I love the luxe back and the spiral front.

 

Ok now I get what your saying. ANS Gear doesn't seem to offer the Luxe back or spiral front unless you mean the All American front. Is there another site that offers more freak backs and fronts?


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 04:23 PM

get a deadly wind 14 inch fibur x. If you wanna spend the monies and look fancy shmancy and stuff. Or take your CP barrel, get a shorter tip and get it freak bored. 


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 04:24 PM

get a deadly wind 14 inch fibur x. If you wanna spend the monies and look fancy shmancy and stuff. Or take your CP barrel, get a shorter tip and get it freak bored. 

 

LOL with how beat up my CP barrel is, I don't think I would even entertain the idea of Freak boring it :P


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 04:29 PM

buy a used freak kit because that is what you are set on doing anyway 


And the UL is a waste of money. 

 

 

Used freak kit with your choice of barrel.

 

 

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 04:34 PM

 

buy a used freak kit because that is what you are set on doing anyway 


And the UL is a waste of money. 

 

 

Used freak kit with your choice of barrel.

 

 

catch my drift?

 

 

Oh so I guess I read that wrong. I thought you meant that I should get a whole freak kit including the freak barrel itself. Now I see your saying I should freak bore a barrel that I get.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 04:35 PM

In my opinion the freak system is not the best. Even the stainless inserts are meh at best.

I run the freak barrel for show, but performance wise the sniper barrel kit gets the go. Who knows I maybe running the Stella barrel kit soon over both
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Posted 01 December 2013 - 04:47 PM

In my opinion the freak system is not the best. Even the stainless inserts are meh at best.

I run the freak barrel for show, but performance wise the sniper barrel kit gets the go. Who knows I maybe running the Stella barrel kit soon over both

 

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 05:01 PM

...Disruptive Deathtouch Barrel.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 05:04 PM

...Disruptive Deathtouch Barrel.

 

Probably not but I'll take a look.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 05:58 PM

If you're playing semi tournaments, adding a barrel kit just gives you more stuff to lug around/get stolen/lose and more variables to think about, without adding any performance value. You could spend $200 on a Super Freak kit, $110 on a Dye Ultralite, or $30 on a CP one-piece, and your setup will perform exactly the same. Pick a barrel that looks nice to you at a price you can afford.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 06:05 PM

I love freaks for the fact that they are very well made and the bores are cheap as hell and compatible with all backs.

Empire sniper kits and shift kits are quite good if you don't mind spending extra $$$$ for inserts.

Also look into a lurker barrel. Never used one and cant give you input but I heard they are superior barrels


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 06:20 PM

If you're playing semi tournaments, adding a barrel kit just gives you more stuff to lug around/get stolen/lose and more variables to think about, without adding any performance value. You could spend $200 on a Super Freak kit, $110 on a Dye Ultralite, or $30 on a CP one-piece, and your setup will perform exactly the same. Pick a barrel that looks nice to you at a price you can afford.

 

What do you mean semi tournaments? If you are referring to rate of fire, we will be shooting 12.5 PSP.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 06:30 PM

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 06:37 PM

What do you mean semi tournaments? If you are referring to rate of fire, we will be shooting 12.5 PSP.


I mean semi as opposed to pump, and tournaments as opposed to anywhere that you can't easily fill up your tank between points. If you don't have to worry about rollouts, and you don't have to worry about efficiency, then you don't need to underbore, and you don't need a barrel kit. There's no other practical reason to own one. Having said that, I understand gear lust, and I suffer from it from time to time, so while you don't need a barrel kit, you might still want one. I'd get a Deadlywind Fibur X, because they're light and they look cool, and if you ever see the error of your battery-powered ways, it will go great on your pump. ;)

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 06:50 PM

Get another CP two piece with a shorter front and a different bored back.  You now have a kit.

I agree with this. If your current one is very beat up, well then perhaps you may not want to. Apparently you don't like how the CP ones look anyways...which I honestly feel is an okay reason to want to move on as well.

 

I have owned the freak system since 2002. I still love it.

 

Another route you could go is to buy 2 lurker barrels, .684 and .678. Those and your beat up old CP (probably 689 or bigger, you didn't specify) should cover you well. No inserts to fool with. There are many valid choices to make. Just pick one that makes sense financially. Dye would be a poor choice.



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Posted 01 December 2013 - 07:17 PM

Freak is good for different types of paint use, If you know the correct bore size that matches your paint and you want to upgrade don't get the kit just get the barrel individually. but if you already know your paint bore size I don't see the point of a kit but if I were to get a kit I would go with the Empire super freak barrel kit if money is not a problem. Comes with a carbon fiber barrel, an apex and another i don't know the name of and 5 barrel inserts. if money is a problem get the regular freak barrel kit.

 

(if you don't know your paint's bore size get a ball to barrel sizer it will save you a lot of money)


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 07:24 PM

I'm just going to leave this here.....

 

 

 

 

please stop giving advice pbnewbie
 

I hate to be "that guy" in saying this, perhaps you should refrain from giving advice to others if you didn't know this...

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 07:29 PM

Are you being for real pbnewbie?

Empire totally dropped the ball on the super freak kit. Compare the honing from the SP/GoG freak kits Against the empire ones, there is a difference... even the stainless SP/GoG inserts aren't all that. The carbon fiber tips as my friend and I discovered are not swabbale (unlike the DW, Deadly Winds plug lol) to top that crappy internal finish.

Personally I'd steer clear of the super freaks, if one was to consider going to a freak system a freak bored barrel (including DW fiburs) and SS inserts would be the best way to go.

Its now I'm starting to realize how fine these freak threading is and how easy they can be messed up

Like I said earlier I like the Resurrection and sniper barrel kits, but its a barrel designed 4 years ago. Better barrel systems are out there, and personally I can't wait for inception designs barrels I may need to ditch the freak kit and sniper barrel then

And yes I do own a freak kit, put on one of better looking axes out there, but like I said earlier the freak kit is for show/color matching

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 07:31 PM

I am giving advice off of what people have told me....



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Posted 01 December 2013 - 07:36 PM

Oh god look at what this thread has turned into........


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 07:37 PM

But have you actually owned? That's really a determining factor. I mean I own both so I can have a valued opinion of the freak barrel situation. I can also tell you that the empire honing of the freak kit is shit (coming from an empire fanboy). I can also say that the freak system has a major flaw, that being the super fine threads that is easy to cross thread

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 08:49 PM

Buy a .684 CF Boomstick.......


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 09:00 PM

Buy a .684 CF Boomstick.......

To look sexy, or to look rich?

Boom sticks are not a good idea. Yes they are lighter but the bores are going to cost you MINIMUM (like a great deal that you just scored on) of 50 dollars, but 75 normally for just the back.

Boom sticks are a waste, expensive and not all that great. You can get much better barrels than boomsticks especially for the price. So I can tell you to steer clear of that.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 09:02 PM

Ok, I have a a freak kit, no SS or anything, but I've very good luck with it.  It was actually bought for the increase in efficiency and also to match anno, but honestly it made the axe barrel 14", as well as made it quieter.  I understand the issues with cross threading and honing but overall for the money i think it's the best way to go. REMEMBER:  That's MY opinion.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 09:09 PM

 

Buy a .684 CF Boomstick.......

To look sexy, or to look rich?

Boom sticks are not a good idea. Yes they are lighter but the bores are going to cost you MINIMUM (like a great deal that you just scored on) of 50 dollars, but 75 normally for just the back.

Boom sticks are a waste, expensive and not all that great. You can get much better barrels than boomsticks especially for the price. So I can tell you to steer clear of that.

 

 

Because why the hell not! This is paintball nobody cares about anything but aesthetics man. Looking good is %90 of the game you might play like dogshit and be a shit human being but hell if you look the part all the kids think you are pro. 

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 09:40 PM

Lol bigx, a buddy of mine when he got his grumpy cat geo3 immediately went out and got a matching tip to put with the cf boomstick back.

Dem pipefitters and their cash lol

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 09:51 PM

Well I think I like the freak kit and that is probably what I will get unless I decide to go with another CP.

 

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 10:55 PM

I am giving advice off of what people have told me....

 

 

Yes and that is why you said this in your topic that you started today.


Upgrading barrels I want to find out which is better before I buy anything else.
 
 
 
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Posted 01 December 2013 - 10:57 PM

I am giving advice off of what people have told me....

 

Advice is from experience, not hearsay.

 

 the freak system has a major flaw, that being the super fine threads that is easy to cross thread

 

I don't know what anybody is talking about with this cross threading issue. I can honestly say that I have never had this happen. Maybe it is easier to do on the new empire ones?? I own only SP/GoG, and have for some time.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 11:57 PM

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 12:02 AM


I am giving advice off of what people have told me....

 
Advice is from experience, not hearsay.
 

 the freak system has a major flaw, that being the super fine threads that is easy to cross thread

 
I don't know what anybody is talking about with this cross threading issue. I can honestly say that I have never had this happen. Maybe it is easier to do on the new empire ones?? I own only SP/GoG, and have for some time.
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Posted 02 December 2013 - 12:46 AM

I've been so paranoid with mine it hasn't happened...yet

But do I feel it could happen easier than say other barrel kits? for sure!
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Posted 02 December 2013 - 01:07 AM

Lol bigx, a buddy of mine when he got his grumpy cat geo3 immediately went out and got a matching tip to put with the cf boomstick back.

Dem pipefitters and their cash lol

 

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 05:31 PM

Thanks again everyone!


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 05:38 PM

Thanks again everyone!

 

JB one barrel is something like a .685 or a .680 would suit you nicely. Kits are overrated imo 


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 06:01 PM

 

Thanks again everyone!

 

JB one barrel is something like a .685 or a .680 would suit you nicely. Kits are overrated imo 

 

 

OK, I'm thinking about getting a whole new CP 2 piece or just a regular barrel actually. Also, I noticed a small little dent on the inside of my barrel back on my current CP. Would that be affecting accuracy even though its in the barrel back?

 

I ask this because I used to shoot pretty ball on ball but now I have been playing in the cold and sometimes I shoot, my barrel nearly freezes, and then right after I clean it in hot water. Could this have caused the dent therefor affecting my accuracy?


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 06:19 PM


 


Thanks again everyone!

 
JB one barrel is something like a .685 or a .680 would suit you nicely. Kits are overrated imo 
 
 
OK, I'm thinking about getting a whole new CP 2 piece or just a regular barrel actually. Also, I noticed a small little dent on the inside of my barrel back on my current CP. Would that be affecting accuracy even though its in the barrel back?
 
I ask this because I used to shoot pretty ball on ball but now I have been playing in the cold and sometimes I shoot, my barrel nearly freezes, and then right after I clean it in hot water. Could this have caused the dent therefor affecting my accuracy?
No it couldn't have.

I recommend getting a .684 Lurker or .686 Disruptive barrel. You'll be able to shoot basically any paint with either and they're both excellent.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 07:13 PM

 

 

 

Thanks again everyone!

 
JB one barrel is something like a .685 or a .680 would suit you nicely. Kits are overrated imo 
 
 
OK, I'm thinking about getting a whole new CP 2 piece or just a regular barrel actually. Also, I noticed a small little dent on the inside of my barrel back on my current CP. Would that be affecting accuracy even though its in the barrel back?
 
I ask this because I used to shoot pretty ball on ball but now I have been playing in the cold and sometimes I shoot, my barrel nearly freezes, and then right after I clean it in hot water. Could this have caused the dent therefor affecting my accuracy?
No it couldn't have.

I recommend getting a .684 Lurker or .686 Disruptive barrel. You'll be able to shoot basically any paint with either and they're both excellent.

 

 

Ok cool! Do you think the dent is affecting my accuracy though?


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 09:26 PM

Couldn't say without a picture.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 10:27 PM

Couldn't say without a picture.

 

It would be so hard to get a picture. It almost looks like its not even a dent though. It sort of looks like the opposite of a dent and it sticks out.


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 10:49 PM

JB You cant quote yourself in your signature its like kissing your sister man. 


PS Its highly unlikely that a change in temperature like that could warp aluminum. You did not take a blowtorch to it or anything. 


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