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Empire Prophecy Z2 vs Dye Rotor

  1. Empire Prophecy Z2 (6 votes [23.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.08%

  2. Dye Rotor (20 votes [76.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 76.92%

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#1 OMGitisZMD

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 12:24 PM

I recently got a Z2 but I have been looking at the Rotor. What would you all recommend for me and why?


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 04:47 PM

I have both and love both. I would prefer the rotor over the z2 because of these reasons. 1) The Z2 uses a weird feeding system so if you go to dive or jerk your marker around for that matter, the Z2 will try to feed and end up moving for no reason and sometimes resulting in broken/ dimpled paint in your marker. 2) The rotor uses 2 feed sweeps to feed the balls, so not only will it be faster, it will be less prone to breaking paint in the hopper. 3) The rotor is much easier to take apart on the field and clear out a jam. you can take the ENTIRE loader apart in under 20 seconds which is amazing. 3) The speed feeds (not sure if you use one) are better on the Rotor because there is no way for them to open like in the Z2. The Z2 is made for magnets, so if you go to dive, there is a chance for the lid to open and you loose some of that expensive RPS or what ever you use. Hope this helps and if I missed anything than I am sure someone else here can answer it for you or I can.


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 06:08 PM

I have both and love both. I would prefer the rotor over the z2 because of these reasons. 1) The Z2 uses a weird feeding system so if you go to dive or jerk your marker around for that matter, the Z2 will try to feed and end up moving for no reason and sometimes resulting in broken/ dimpled paint in your marker. 2) The rotor uses 2 feed sweeps to feed the balls, so not only will it be faster, it will be less prone to breaking paint in the hopper. 3) The rotor is much easier to take apart on the field and clear out a jam. you can take the ENTIRE loader apart in under 20 seconds which is amazing. 3) The speed feeds (not sure if you use one) are better on the Rotor because there is no way for them to open like in the Z2. The Z2 is made for magnets, so if you go to dive, there is a chance for the lid to open and you loose some of that expensive RPS or what ever you use. Hope this helps and if I missed anything than I am sure someone else here can answer it for you or I can.

Alright thanks, I have been looking around and I really like the Rotor. If I can find someone to trade with, I think I will.


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 06:33 PM

 

I have both and love both. I would prefer the rotor over the z2 because of these reasons. 1) The Z2 uses a weird feeding system so if you go to dive or jerk your marker around for that matter, the Z2 will try to feed and end up moving for no reason and sometimes resulting in broken/ dimpled paint in your marker. 2) The rotor uses 2 feed sweeps to feed the balls, so not only will it be faster, it will be less prone to breaking paint in the hopper. 3) The rotor is much easier to take apart on the field and clear out a jam. you can take the ENTIRE loader apart in under 20 seconds which is amazing. 3) The speed feeds (not sure if you use one) are better on the Rotor because there is no way for them to open like in the Z2. The Z2 is made for magnets, so if you go to dive, there is a chance for the lid to open and you loose some of that expensive RPS or what ever you use. Hope this helps and if I missed anything than I am sure someone else here can answer it for you or I can.

Alright thanks, I have been looking around and I really like the Rotor. If I can find someone to trade with, I think I will.

 

Look on ebay. That's where I got mine. I got it for $65 shipped


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 06:56 PM

 

 

I have both and love both. I would prefer the rotor over the z2 because of these reasons. 1) The Z2 uses a weird feeding system so if you go to dive or jerk your marker around for that matter, the Z2 will try to feed and end up moving for no reason and sometimes resulting in broken/ dimpled paint in your marker. 2) The rotor uses 2 feed sweeps to feed the balls, so not only will it be faster, it will be less prone to breaking paint in the hopper. 3) The rotor is much easier to take apart on the field and clear out a jam. you can take the ENTIRE loader apart in under 20 seconds which is amazing. 3) The speed feeds (not sure if you use one) are better on the Rotor because there is no way for them to open like in the Z2. The Z2 is made for magnets, so if you go to dive, there is a chance for the lid to open and you loose some of that expensive RPS or what ever you use. Hope this helps and if I missed anything than I am sure someone else here can answer it for you or I can.

Alright thanks, I have been looking around and I really like the Rotor. If I can find someone to trade with, I think I will.

 

Look on ebay. That's where I got mine. I got it for $65 shipped

 

I'm looking for a brand new one since my Z2 is brand new with a HK Army speedfeed.


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 11:01 PM

Or bave someone add cash and get a used one. Rotors dont break... they just dont.

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 08:25 AM

Or bave someone add cash and get a used one. Rotors dont break... they just dont.

I'm honestly just worried about scratches and all that - I don't want to trade my perfect, 10/10 brand new Z2 for a scratched up, can't tell the original color Rotor. I know it may seem stupid to some but others might know where I'm coming from.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 10:48 AM

If anyone knows someone who is looking to trade a v3 Rotor in great condition for a brand new Z2, just let me know, I'd greatly appreciate it :)


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 01:41 PM

What color?

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 01:46 PM

What color?

Preferably Black, not really interested in any of the 2012 / 2013 colors. 


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 09:45 PM

I used to vote Z2 on these topics but my Rotor never caught fire when I played  with it.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 10:05 PM

I used to vote Z2 on these topics but my Rotor never caught fire when I played  with it.

Your Z2 caught fire..?! Damn.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 10:11 PM

yea.... I get that, lol


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 10:42 PM

yea.... I get that, lol

Lol I take it that you switched to the Rotor after that?


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 11:00 PM

I actually owned a rotor at the time, I just thought it would be the #1 back up (this was when the Z2 first came out).


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 11:15 PM

I actually owned a rotor at the time, I just thought it would be the #1 back up (this was when the Z2 first came out).

Alright cool, any regrets? 


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 11:56 PM

Z2 yes, Rotor Nope!


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:07 AM

Z2 yes, Rotor Nope!

I was thinking I would buy a Rotor used and test them both out and see which one I liked more... smart decision or a waste of money?


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 12:06 PM

I think you can get both used for around the same as a Z2 brand new and much less than a Rotor brand new, I personally wouldn't do it but that's because I have like 5 loaders, but if you need a solid back up either of them would be quite honestly the best. My experience with the Z2 aside it is still a great loader and while it worked for me I liked it better then the rotor.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 12:57 PM

I think you can get both used for around the same as a Z2 brand new and much less than a Rotor brand new, I personally wouldn't do it but that's because I have like 5 loaders, but if you need a solid back up either of them would be quite honestly the best. My experience with the Z2 aside it is still a great loader and while it worked for me I liked it better then the rotor.

I have a straight trade for a brand new Rotor, should I take it?


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:09 PM

Yes

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:19 PM

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:36 PM

Definitely

Alright thanks, hopefully it doesn't let me down! :)


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 08:30 PM

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 08:34 PM

Lol regretting your decision on the z2 already?
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:08 PM

Lol regretting your decision on the z2 already?

Not really, just wanted to test the Rotor out and see how I liked it. I'm actually having second thoughts about the trade but I'm already too far into the deal to back out... ah well, if I don't like the Rotor then I'll go back to the Z2 or grab a Spire.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 10:54 PM

What speedfeed would you guys recommend? I was thinking of the Spine or HK Epic (not interested in the Virtue SF)


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:26 PM

Why not the sf? If it's too expensive I understand but it's the best speedfeed I've ever used on my rotor. Still like the exalts though as a second choice

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:27 PM

For?
On the rotor or spire you are going to be paying in the long run if you don't go crownsf.

On the z2, I don't know I had an exalt but I didn't even use the damn thing.

Imo rotor and crownsf is the way to go.

I've heard favorable reviews about the new exalt speed feed however with the rotors
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:42 PM

The Rotor and the SF is pretty expensive, that is my main concern.  Would you recommend the new Exalt Speedfeed over the KM Spine or HK Epic speedfeeds?


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:49 PM

I would definitely recommend it over the spine. Haven't bought an hk speedfeed so I can't speak for it. Exalts are great speedfeed a though, you'd be happy with it

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:51 PM

I would definitely recommend it over the spine. Haven't bought an hk speedfeed so I can't speak for it. Exalts are great speedfeed a though, you'd be happy with it

Alright, I'll be sure to get the newer version as well.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:56 PM

$160 tops for a used rotor and crownsf.

I got a virtue'd rotor and crownsf for $150 Canadian, not to mention the an extra top shell with original lid for free.

If you want to go cheap just sell both hoppers get a magna with the older 6 finger exalt and call it a day.

If you have cash to drop buy a Rotor and crownsf and roll with it for a long fucking time.

To be honest with you I've had many friends that went down both the spire and z2 routes only to come back to the rotor. And from my experience I totally understand
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Posted 24 January 2014 - 12:32 AM

I just traded my Z2 for a Rotor ^ Just seeing which hopper I like the best  :tup:


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 12:49 AM

So just wondering, what color Rotor are you guys thinking? All black or black with white accents? I have the choice.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 12:53 AM

Out opinion doesnt matter at all...

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 12:57 AM

Out opinion doesnt matter at all...

How so? I am just wondering what you think would look better. Honestly, both look good in my eyes, just trying to get some other opinions. 


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 01:16 AM

Did you even use the Z2 before trading it?


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 08:06 AM

all black all the way, black matches everything 


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 01:29 PM

all black all the way, black matches everything 

Thats what I was thinking, thanks!


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 06:54 PM

Did you even use the Z2 before trading it?

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 07:50 PM

 

Dye Rotor vs Virtue Spire vs Empire Prophecy Z2 vs Pinokio vs Pinokio Speed


Durability:
Pinokio Speed = Rotor = Spire > Prophecy > Pinokio

  • As long as you don't smash your loader with a hammer, try to melt it with a blow torch, or play paintball underwater they will all be plenty durable
  • Though if your abusive on your loader you may want to avoid the Pinokio as I've heard the feednecks may snap after a lot of heavy use due to the poly-carbonate shell
  • Though I believe the Pinokio Speed solves this problem with its durable nylon shell like all the other loaders

 

Profile:
Pinokio Speed = Rotor = Spire = Prophecy > Pinokio

  • This may come down to personal preference, though most people like shorter loaders

 

Capacity:
Pinokio > Spire > Rotor = Prophecy = Pinokio Speed

  • This is with stock nose cone, as for Rotor, Prophecy and Pinokio Speed, the capacity is so close it's hard to tell which one is larger

 

Feedrate:
Rotor > Pinokio Speed > Prophecy > Pinokio > Spire

  • All these loaders will feed more than 20 bps, and you shouldn't need more than that unless you want to waste a lot of money on paint

 

Maintenance:
Spire = Rotor > Pinokio Speed = Pinokio > Prophecy

  • All these loaders are pretty easy to clean and maintain except the Prophecy, as it has the most complicated design
  • The Pinokio and the Pinokio Speed are technically the easiest to maintain since you shouldn't have to unscrew the body at all to clean it, just pop off the top and wipe and your good to go
  • Since the Pinokio and Pinokio Speed aren't completely tool less the Spire and Rotor have the advantage

 

Battery Efficiency:
Pinokio Speed = Pinokio > Rotor > Spire > Prophecy

  • All these loaders will get at least 10 cases in new batteries, but in case you don't change your batteries much, it's something to consider

 

Jamming:
Pinokio Speed = Pinokio = Spire > Prophecy > Rotor

  • The Pinokio, Pinokio Speed and Spire won't really jam, the Prophecy has an automatic anti-jam and a rip drive, and the Rotor has an anti-jam center arm

 

Paint Gentleness:
Spire > Pinokio Speed = Pinokio > Prophecy > Rotor

  • The Spire, Pinokio, and Pinokio Speed will both be really gentle on paint, though the spire has soft paddles
  • None of them should break paint regularly, though the rotor tends to be the hardest on paint

 

Feeding The Last Paintballs:
Pinokio Speed = Pinokio > Prophecy > Rotor > Spire

  • All of these loaders will feed the last paintballs, though you may have to shake the loaders

 

Hopper Opening:
Spire = Prophecy > Rotor = Pinokio = Pinokio Speed

  • Rated on how wide the opening to pour paint in is, though all the hoppers are plenty wide enough, but it's something to consider

 

Transparency:
Pinokio > Spire > Rotor > Prophecy = Pinokio Speed

  • This allows you to know when your paint is running out
  • The Spire comes with a window, but the Pinokio's transparency is determined by the color you choose, I would suggest you choose the smoke color
  • This Rotor also has a window, but it's very small
  • The Pinokio Speed and Prophecy only have the lid to see the paint

 

Reballs:
Pinokio Speed = Pinokio = Spire = Prophecy > Rotor

  • The only loader that should have problems with reballs is the Rotor, as it specifically states in the manual not to use reballs

 

Paddle Wear:
Pinokio Speed = Pinokio = Rotor = Prophecy > Spire

  • Only the Spire should have problems with paddle wear because it uses soft paddles, so they might break over time, though Virtue should cover the repairs

 

I realize you chose the rotor, I just thought you may want an accurate comparison between the super-loaders.


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Dye Rotor vs Virtue Spire vs Empire Prophecy Z2 vs Pinokio


Durability:
Rotor = Spire = Prophecy > Pinokio


  • As long as you don't smash your loader with a hammer, try to melt it with a blow torch, or play paintball underwater they will all be plenty durable
  • Though if your abusive on your loader you may want to avoid the Pinokio as I've heard the feednecks may snap after a lot of heavy use due to the poly-carbonate shell
  • Though I believe the Pinokio Speed may solve this problem since it has a durable nylon shell like all the other loaders

 

Profile:
Rotor = Spire = Prophecy > Pinokio


  • This may come down to personal preference, though most people like shorter loaders

 

Capacity:
Pinokio > Spire > Rotor = Prophecy


  • This is with stock nose cone, as for rotor and prophecy, the capacity is so close it's hard to tell which one is larger

 

Feedrate:
Rotor > Prophecy > Pinokio > Spire


  • All these loaders will feed more than 20 bps, and you shouldn't need more than that unless you want to waste a lot of money on paint

 

Maintenance:
Spire = Rotor > Prophecy > 
Pinokio


  • All these loaders are pretty easy to clean. The Spire and Rotor have the best and simplest TOOLESS disassembly. The Prophecy while having the most complicated design to FULLY disassemble, for maintenance sake it is extremely easy. The Pinokio does not have a tooless design, it has to be unscrewed using a philips driver. 

 

Battery Efficiency:
Pinokio > Rotor > Spire > Prophecy


  • All these loaders will get at least 10 cases in new batteries, but in case you don't change your batteries much, it's something to consider

 

Jamming:
Pinokio = Spire = Prophecy > Rotor


  • The pinokio and spire won't jam, the prophecy has an automatic anti-jam and a rip drive, and the rotor has an anti-jam center arm

 

Paint Gentleness:
Spire = Prophecy > Pinokio > Rotor


  • The spire and Prophecy are designed to be gentle on paint, the Prophecy relies on many different things to feed paint as consistently as possible.
  • None of them should break paint regularly, though the rotor tends to be the hardest on paint

 

Feeding The Last Paintballs:
Pinokio > Prophecy = Rotor = Spire


  • All of these loaders will feed the last paintballs, though you may have to shake the loaders

 

Hopper Opening:
Spire = Prophecy > Rotor = Pinokio


  • Both the Spire and Prophecy have the almost the exact same sized opening (wide enough to shove your pods in) while the pinokio and Rotor have literally the exact same sized openings (the standard halo sized opening) 

 

Smoke Shells:
Available for the Pinokio and Prophecy, a smoke lid is available for the Spire, nothing is available for the Rotor.

 

Reballs:
Pinokio = Spire = Prophecy > Rotor


  • The only loader that should have problems with reballs is the rotor, as it specifically states in the manual not to use reballs

 

Paddle Wear:
Pinokio = Rotor = Prophecy > Spire


  • Only the spire should have problems with paddle wear because it uses soft paddles, so they might break over time, though virtue should cover the repairs

 

I realize you chose the rotor, I just thought you may want an accurate comparison between the super-loaders.

 


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#44 r45vt

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:08 PM

 

Did you even use the Z2 before trading it?

some people just manage to keep their stuff in super good condition. I have no Idea how but some people do...

 

 

He had just made a thread about buying one.  I don't think he would have even had a chance to use it.  ADD.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:52 PM

I feel like that big comparison is a bit off, its talking about transparency and the prohpecy having a smoke shell but I didnt think the z2 did have a smoke shell. If you CAN get a smoke shell for the z2 let me know cause id love one. 



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:53 PM

Plus the original prophecy feed neck can break, as well as the V2.  They changed the design for the Z2.  


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 10:24 PM

I feel like that big comparison is a bit off, its talking about transparency and the prohpecy having a smoke shell but I didnt think the z2 did have a smoke shell. If you CAN get a smoke shell for the z2 let me know cause id love one. 

V2 shells were easily modded to fit the Z2, popular mod.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 10:34 PM

 

I feel like that big comparison is a bit off, its talking about transparency and the prohpecy having a smoke shell but I didnt think the z2 did have a smoke shell. If you CAN get a smoke shell for the z2 let me know cause id love one. 

V2 shells were easily modded to fit the Z2, popular mod.

 

 

You just cut them around the feed neck if I am not mistaken.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 10:44 PM

Yeah the transparency bit is off, I was thinking about the old prophecy, as for Jawz comments, I changed what I agree with, however as far as maintenance goes the pinokio is the easiest simply because you simply have to pop off the cone and wipe out the inside, you don't have to unscrew the prop only the battery case (if you're changing batteries, not very often in Pinokio), though I changed it to 3rd in that category to be more accurate. As far as gentleness goes the pinokio is slightly more gentle than the prophecy, but it probably won't be noticeable. The prophecy will jam occasionally, though it is quickly fixed due to auto anti-jam, therefore pinokio and spire are better in this category, I hope this is a more accurate assesment.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 10:51 PM

I think everyone has different experiences with all of them.  

 

Add the GI sportz Pulse RDR.  It eats batteries when not in use and jams often.  I am sending mine back to GI.  

 

A friend bought one and hasn't had any problems so I think mine is just fubar'd.  


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