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#1 Ninjaafro

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 05:14 PM

I am thinking about getting a new/used loader to upgrade from my old halo. I have head great things about all of them can't deside which one. Thanks

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 05:20 PM

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 05:37 PM

They are out of my price range by a little. I found all of these for less than $100 and I don't want to spend more than $120.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 05:38 PM

ok btw the rotor is 150 minimal put if you can get a rotor then prophecy then speed.


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 05:42 PM

I would say pinokio speed, but if you want an elaborate comparison I can post one if you want.



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 05:47 PM

I am looking used at the rotors and z2's. And the speed is only $120 and love the way to looks. With that said my friends have spires and I don't like them at all.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 10:02 PM

I say the Z2 because it's hella light and you just grab it, turn it on, and win. No need to adjust for anything ever. It does it by itself. And disassembly? It took me like 5 minutes of practicing to be able to do it in under 30 seconds. It just takes a bit. But the Z2 does have a superior anti jamming over the rotor and the pinokio.

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 12:22 AM

Dye Rotor vs Virtue Spire vs Empire Prophecy Z2 vs Pinokio vs Pinokio Speed

 

 

Durability:
Pinokio Speed = Rotor = Spire > Prophecy > Pinokio

  • As long as you don't smash your loader with a hammer, try to melt it with a blow torch, or play paintball underwater they will all be plenty durable
  • Though if your abusive on your loader you may want to avoid the Pinokio as I've heard the feednecks may snap after a lot of heavy use due to the poly-carbonate shell
  • Though I believe the Pinokio Speed solves this problem with its durable nylon shell like all the other loaders

 

Profile:
Pinokio Speed = Rotor = Spire = Prophecy > Pinokio

  • This may come down to personal preference, though most people like shorter loaders

 

Capacity:
Pinokio > Spire > Rotor = Prophecy = Pinokio Speed

  • This is with stock nose cone, as for Rotor, Prophecy and Pinokio Speed, the capacity is so close it's hard to tell which one is larger

 

Feedrate:
Rotor > Pinokio Speed > Prophecy > Pinokio > Spire

  • All these loaders will feed more than 20 bps, and you shouldn't need more than that unless you want to waste a lot of money on paint

 

Maintenance:
Spire = Rotor > Pinokio Speed = Pinokio > Prophecy

  • All these loaders are pretty easy to clean and maintain except the Prophecy, as it has the most complicated design
  • The Pinokio and the Pinokio Speed are technically the easiest to maintain since you shouldn't have to unscrew the body at all to clean it, just pop off the top and wipe and your good to go
  • Since the Pinokio and Pinokio Speed aren't completely tool less the Spire and Rotor have the advantage

 

Battery Efficiency:
Pinokio Speed = Pinokio > Rotor > Spire > Prophecy

  • All these loaders will get at least 10 cases in new batteries, but in case you don't change your batteries much, it's something to consider
  • The Pinokio and Pinokio Speed use two 9 volt batteries
  • The Prophecy uses 4 AA and the Spire and Rotor use 3 AA
  • While the batteries in the Pinokio's last about twice as long as the others the batteries are twice as expensive

 

Jamming:
Pinokio Speed = Pinokio = Spire > Prophecy > Rotor

  • The Pinokio, Pinokio Speed and Spire won't really jam, the Prophecy has an automatic anti-jam and a rip drive, and the Rotor has an anti-jam center arm

 

Paint Gentleness:
Spire > Pinokio Speed = Pinokio > Prophecy > Rotor

  • The Spire, Pinokio, and Pinokio Speed will both be really gentle on paint, though the spire has soft paddles
  • None of them should break paint regularly, though the rotor tends to be the hardest on paint

 

Feeding The Last Paintballs:
Pinokio Speed = Pinokio > Prophecy > Rotor > Spire

  • All of these loaders will feed the last paintballs, though you may have to shake the loaders

 

Hopper Opening:
Spire = Prophecy > Rotor = Pinokio = Pinokio Speed

  • Rated on how wide the opening to pour paint in is, though all the hoppers are plenty wide enough, but it's something to consider

 

Transparency:
Pinokio > Spire > Rotor > Prophecy = Pinokio Speed

  • This allows you to know when your paint is running out
  • The Spire comes with a window, but the Pinokio's transparency is determined by the color you choose, I would suggest you choose the smoke color
  • This Rotor also has a window, but it's very small
  • The Pinokio Speed and Prophecy only have the lid to see the paint

 

Reballs:
Pinokio Speed = Pinokio = Spire = Prophecy > Rotor

  • The only loader that should have problems with reballs is the Rotor, as it specifically states in the manual not to use reballs

 

Paddle Wear:
Pinokio Speed = Pinokio = Rotor = Prophecy > Spire

  • Only the Spire should have problems with paddle wear because it uses soft paddles, so they might break over time, though Virtue should cover the repairs

Edited by SPARTAN1147789, 08 February 2014 - 02:52 AM.


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Posted 08 February 2014 - 01:46 AM

^ Nice write up Spartan,

 

To the OP keep in mind some of those points Spartan wrote are preference.

Ex: Battery efficiency of nokio vs rotor..nokio uses two 9v's while the rotor needs 3 AA's. So they kind of cancel out in terms of savings total in dollar amount (batteries). Also jamming all depends on the quality of paint you are using but i can agree to a certain extent that the rotor will jam slightly more frequently than its competitors. 

 

Out of those loaders I prefer the rotor. Haven't tried the speed out yet so I can't comment on that. Spire seems a bit pricey for me to choose over my rotor.

 

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 05:07 PM

Thanks so much spartan! I think I might go with the speed. Almost costs the same new as the rotor and spire used. Thanks for the write up.

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 05:28 PM

The prophecy is not that difficult to take apart. The shell is really simple, and the rest you normally shouldn't have to take apart anyways.

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 05:48 PM

It isn't, it's just slightly more complicated, so it's slightly more difficult to clean and maintain, not by much, I'm just getting particular of the fine details, but more or less they are all very similar in terms of ease of maintenance.



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Posted 14 February 2014 - 01:05 PM

Pinokio speed, it's hella light and has a really low profile. Plus it has pinokio internals so you know it's reliable. Im getting it soon


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Posted 12 June 2014 - 10:06 PM

The speed is the lightest hopper on the market. It uses 2 9v batteries and is still lighter than any other high end hopper without their batteries! It feeds just about as fast as a rotor, but with no jams. Hands down the best hopper out there. I would pick one up and try it out if I were you. I love my speed! 



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 10:16 PM

The speed is the lightest hopper on the market. It uses 2 9v batteries and is still lighter than any other high end hopper without their batteries! It feeds just about as fast as a rotor, but with no jams. Hands down the best hopper out there. I would pick one up and try it out if I were you. I love my speed! 


How is it "hands down" the best? The Spire and Prophecy have high cap variants and there are several otger matters of preference, namely the balance and height of your loader.

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 10:46 PM

 

The speed is the lightest hopper on the market. It uses 2 9v batteries and is still lighter than any other high end hopper without their batteries! It feeds just about as fast as a rotor, but with no jams. Hands down the best hopper out there. I would pick one up and try it out if I were you. I love my speed! 


How is it "hands down" the best? The Spire and Prophecy have high cap variants and there are several otger matters of preference, namely the balance and height of your loader.

 

i like the balance. But i do prefer my z2 over my speed, just because it doesn't look as bad. 


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Posted 03 July 2014 - 08:56 AM

Before I really start to post anything else, does anybody know if the speed is completely tool-less like the Rotor?


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