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#1 Justin B.

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Posted 22 June 2014 - 03:00 PM

Ok guys,

I now am doing repairs and tuning on markers but I need a little help. I hadn't originally planned on doing autocockers or pumps but I decided to take on one anyways. I currently have tcheekdye's Trilogy Autococker w/pump kit at my house. I have tried everything I know to try. I'm 90% sure its the cup seal. I ordered a Spyder Cup seal because I did some research wand sound that supposedly Spyder's cup seals are the same. Well, they're not because when I put it on the stem I had to use pliers and a vice and when I did so it leaked a lot more when I put it in. 

 

I know that WGP went out of business so I have no idea where to buy the correct cup seal or if it is something else I'm doing wrong. I mean heck I even replaced the valve O-rings!

 

Any help is much appreciated! 

 

 

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P.S. This is the Cup Seal I bought just in case I just bought the wrong Spyder cup seal: https://www.ansgear....=KINGMANCUPSEAL


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Posted 22 June 2014 - 06:23 PM

have you cocked it before you air it up?


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Posted 22 June 2014 - 06:41 PM

have you cocked it before you air it up?

 

yep, I'm pretty sure its the Cup seal but I don't know where to get a new one that is actually meant for it.


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Posted 22 June 2014 - 07:25 PM

Where is cocker punk when I need him? lol


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Posted 22 June 2014 - 08:23 PM

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Posted 22 June 2014 - 09:01 PM

I have literally worked on your marker for probably a total of 5-6 hours. I have tried everything and I swear its gotta be the cup seal! I just can't find one!!!!!!!!! I PM'd cockerpunk too so we'll see what he says too. If I don't fix it soon let me know if you just want me to send it back man. I wasn't gonna work on autocockers or pumps but I decided to do this one only because I knew you. lol, never again. 


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Posted 22 June 2014 - 09:05 PM

It does sound like the cup seal.  


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Posted 22 June 2014 - 09:15 PM

It does sound like the cup seal.  

 

I know. It really does because when I put the Spyder one in and then switched back to the stock one, it leaked a lot more with the spyder one so that has to be it. I just have no idea where to find one?


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Posted 22 June 2014 - 09:59 PM

A nice little upgrade: 

http://palmer-pursui...logy-p-280.html

 

From what I read it does take a spyder cup seal.  Not sure if that is true.

 

How different are the seals when you compare them?

 

Is there any history on this marker?  Bought used like this?  Worked fine until this leak happened.  ????  Anything else we should know?


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Posted 22 June 2014 - 10:02 PM

Well, that's the low pressure kit and tcheekdye would just buy that himself if he really wanted it. 

 

PLEASE let me know if any of you know where to find the correct cup seal!


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Posted 22 June 2014 - 10:14 PM

A nice little upgrade: 

http://palmer-pursui...logy-p-280.html

 

From what I read it does take a spyder cup seal.  Not sure if that is true.

 

How different are the seals when you compare them?

 

Is there any history on this marker?  Bought used like this?  Worked fine until this leak happened.  ????  Anything else we should know?

The Spyder seal is definitely a bit smaller around the end that is actually meant to seal up against the valve and it definitely is not the same size or shape. I don't know the history of the marker because it is tcheekdye's. I don't think that would help though...lol. That's all I know.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 12:27 AM

How did the stock cup seal look, was it damaged or nicked at all? How about the valve face? Are you running it regged or unregged? Does it have stock or aftermarket springs in the gun? Sometimes the pressure/spring balance can get off and there isn't enough force to hold the valve closed at rest which can cause a leak like that.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 10:21 AM

How did the stock cup seal look, was it damaged or nicked at all? How about the valve face? Are you running it regged or unregged? Does it have stock or aftermarket springs in the gun? Sometimes the pressure/spring balance can get off and there isn't enough force to hold the valve closed at rest which can cause a leak like that.

 

I will post pictures of the valve and cup seal in a few minutes. I'm pretty sure that all the springs are stock but I'm not certain. I will post pictures of them too. The gun is unregged with a gas through grip on it. 

 

The valve face is a little nicked I can tell you.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 11:37 AM

Here are pictures of the cup seal, valve, and springs:

 

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The valve sealing surface was hard to picture so I labeled the small nicks

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I put new O-rings on the valve the first time I took it out.

 

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Other hole on the opposite side.

 

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Hammer spring

 

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Spring that attaches to the cup seal.

 

Let me know if you think its the valve or what not.

 

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 01:32 PM

Cup seal looks fine, the valve however looks terrible. Those 3 giant dents in the valve face are the most likely cause of the leak.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 01:43 PM

Cup seal looks fine, the valve however looks terrible. Those 3 giant dents in the valve face are the most likely cause of the leak.

 

Ok, do you know where to buy a valve? The only place I found one was here and it is the low pressure one or something I think: http://www.paintball...gptrauvabr.html


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 01:52 PM

Just get that kit I posted.  takes care of that problem and "improves" the performance.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 01:57 PM

Well, its $37. I don't know if tcheekdye will want to spend that much.

 

EDIT: I PM'd him on PBN.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 07:10 PM

Cup seal looks fine, the valve however looks terrible. Those 3 giant dents in the valve face are the most likely cause of the leak.

 

Do you think this will work andrew? I PM'd you about it: http://palmer-pursui...logy-p-280.html


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 07:21 PM

Isn't this the guy with a bunch of cocker threads?  I take he just picked it up used?  Got a deal on it because of the leak?  

 

When I ran a google search earlier I found used parts- which in this case would help.  Try looking around, I found some stock parts that were used for under $10.  

 

No offense but this thread seems a little silly.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 07:30 PM

Isn't this the guy with a bunch of cocker threads?  I take he just picked it up used?  Got a deal on it because of the leak?  

 

When I ran a google search earlier I found used parts- which in this case would help.  Try looking around, I found some stock parts that were used for under $10.  

 

No offense but this thread seems a little silly.

 

I would like to buy new if I can. Yes, I did see he has made a lot of threads about it though. 

 

I don't think he knew it leaked and that sucks. 


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 07:36 PM

One google search away: http://www.paintball...gptrauvabr.html


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 07:37 PM

One google search away: http://www.paintball...gptrauvabr.html

 

I thought that was some low pressure upgrade? I posted that exact link above.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 07:48 PM

You are correct.  Same valve you posted.

 

Here is the used one I was talking about.  

 

http://www.baccipain...ogy-valves.html

 

You might not have many options for new without "upgrading" it.  Trilogies have their own specific parts which limits the replacement parts available.


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 09:56 PM

Burn the trilly. Buy a real cocker. 

 

Although I agree with Andrew that valve is real rough. 


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 11:56 PM

Burn the trilly. Buy a real cocker. 

 

Although I agree with Andrew that valve is real rough. 

 

lol, tell tcheekdye that. Not me. hahahaha

 

Once he pays me he wants the upgraded valve that r45vt posted.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 05:27 AM

Burn the trilly. Buy a real cocker. 
 
Although I agree with Andrew that valve is real rough. 

I wish I would have. It's gonna cost about the same as a kp whenever it finally gets fixed

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 11:25 AM

 

Burn the trilly. Buy a real cocker. 
 
Although I agree with Andrew that valve is real rough. 

I wish I would have. It's gonna cost about the same as a kp whenever it finally gets fixed

 

 

Yeah, you just got screwed on it I think. At least it will shoot now and you'll have a decent pump to play with.


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Posted 05 July 2014 - 01:27 PM

I'm really pissed right now at Palmers Pursuit Shop! They have that valve that tcheekdye payed for and I ordered labeled as "Low Turbulence Valve assembly-Trilogy". Well it is CLEARY for the other models of the Trilogy autococker because the stem and cup seal DO NOT fit through the chamber that leads down to the valve face. Here are pictures to prove it down below:

 

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This is EXTREMELY frustrating with having put lots of work into this marker and still not being able to fix it AND Palmers Pursuit shop not labeling their products correctly. Here is the link to the one I ordered: http://palmer-pursui...ogy autococker.

 

Please if anyone has a link to a new or used trilogy valve that will work POST IT! The other used valve is not in stock on the bacci paintball site.


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Posted 05 July 2014 - 02:34 PM

So put the valve assembly in from the back.


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Posted 05 July 2014 - 05:15 PM

Are you sure?


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Posted 05 July 2014 - 05:21 PM

Yeah... that's how you're supposed to do it.


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Posted 05 July 2014 - 05:59 PM

Yeah... that's how you're supposed to do it.

 

Lol, with the original one the stem and cup seal came out the front. YOU WERE RIGHT THOUGH AND IT IS OFFICIALLY FIXED! You hear that tcheekdye! ITS FIXED!


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Posted 05 July 2014 - 09:12 PM

Glad you fixed it.  Tcheekdye needs to post more slayer gifs.  


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Posted 05 July 2014 - 10:10 PM

andrewthewookie is gonna be mentioned in the description for the video. hehehehe  :P


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Like dis

 

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 10:27 PM

This is TechPB tcheekdye's WGP Trilogy autococker with the pump kit on it. He sent it to me to have it repaired because it was leaking down the barrel. In the end it turned out to be the valve was bad and tcheekdye had me install a Palmers Pursuit shop low turbulence valve. Credit for determining for certain that it was a bad valve goes to andrewthewookie from TechPB. Please watch in 1080P HD and turn up your sound! Thanks for watching!

 

 

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 10:53 PM

Props to you Justin bongle, I won't even consider taking recballers side on you guys next argument

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 11:06 PM

Props to you Justin bongle, I won't even consider taking recballers side on you guys next argument

 

lololololololol, that was a good one. hahahahaha :P


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Posted 06 July 2014 - 03:37 PM

Padawan you are learning. <3 BTW If I die any time soon there is an Axe and an Insight coming your way. Maybe a RL Shocker if it ever comes in.... 


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Posted 06 July 2014 - 04:45 PM

Padawan you are learning. <3 BTW If I die any time soon there is an Axe and an Insight coming your way. Maybe a RL Shocker if it ever comes in.... 

 

lololololol thanks!


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