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#1 Jdalty

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 04:33 PM

It appears as though Planet took out a patent for a loader. 

Can be seen http://www.faqs.org/...app/20140123970



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Posted 01 August 2014 - 06:24 PM

Looks interesting

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 06:34 PM

How big a troll is this.

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 06:37 PM

... It's not a troll.


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 08:31 PM

And how do you hold your marker comfortably with the loader in that position?

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 08:44 PM

Because apparently a generic patent diagram is exactly how a final product using applications of that patent would look.


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 08:50 PM

Okay, so if it's got a longer hose it'll get in the way when switching hands, if it fits directly on top of the loader, given it's internals it won't hold much paint unless it's pretty dang big or incredibly inefficient. Or someone is trolling, or someone was sitting on the can and had an idea so they took a patent out, but Jack Woods is going to laugh in their face at the absurdity.

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 08:59 PM

Jack Wood probably has a hand in the design.

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:00 PM

Yeah, a product with loader placement behind the gun like that is totally trolling...

 

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:13 PM

Okay, so if it's got a longer hose it'll get in the way when switching hands, if it fits directly on top of the loader, given it's internals it won't hold much paint unless it's pretty dang big or incredibly inefficient. Or someone is trolling, or someone was sitting on the can and had an idea so they took a patent out, but Jack Woods is going to laugh in their face at the absurdity.

 

Or, maybe it will work similar to a warp and you won't have to switch hands.



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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:15 PM

So planet is going to try to make a milsim marker? Even less to care about.

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:15 PM

The fact that said hopper or entire marker/Hopper system could be released tomorrow is not something to scoff at cyk.

Not to mention, not the whole fucking paintball world revolves around speedball... Different folks different strokes

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:23 PM

Well we'll see what happens tomorrow. I'm just not expecting the earth to move. Maybe I'm jaded, maybe I just don't hang on every scrap the paintball industry trickles to the consumer to build hype.


As for the warp

I can't imagine why this clunky thing didn't catch on.

But I'll make you a deal, if something revolutionary gets released tomorrow, I'll post a video of me getting shot in the butt.

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:34 PM

So planet is going to try to make a milsim marker? Even less to care about.

Nowhere did anyone suggest a milsim marker. Putting the hopper on the tank would be advantageous in every type of play I can image. No more getting shot in the football on top of your gun, and clear line of sight in all types of play. 


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:38 PM

The Warp feed is ergonomically less clunky than a "standard" setup.


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:54 PM

What Tom Kaye said

Unfortunately all of you have played the one "speedball" game of paintball for so long you can't conceive of other ways to do this and hence any new ideas seem stupid.



All I have to say on the new Hopper (if such thing does and will exist). It can be the greatest thing ever or the biggest flop ever. Only tomorrow will tell
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Posted 01 August 2014 - 10:11 PM

What Tom Kaye said
 

Unfortunately all of you have played the one "speedball" game of paintball for so long you can't conceive of other ways to do this and hence any new ideas seem stupid.



All I have to say on the new Hopper (if such thing does and will exist). It can be the greatest thing ever or the biggest flop ever. Only tomorrow will tell

 

If it is in fact what is being unveiled tomorrow. 


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 11:53 AM

If the final product is similar to the patent diagram, I'll buy. As long as it isn't a whole marker. I'd be all for a loader that drops back onto my tank. Seems like an awesome idea, and I hope that's what eclipse is doing.

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 08:56 PM

How big a troll is this.

 

 

And how do you hold your marker comfortably with the loader in that position?

 

 

Okay, so if it's got a longer hose it'll get in the way when switching hands, if it fits directly on top of the loader, given it's internals it won't hold much paint unless it's pretty dang big or incredibly inefficient. Or someone is trolling, or someone was sitting on the can and had an idea so they took a patent out, but Jack Woods is going to laugh in their face at the absurdity.

 

 

So planet is going to try to make a milsim marker? Even less to care about.

 

 

Well we'll see what happens tomorrow. I'm just not expecting the earth to move. Maybe I'm jaded, maybe I just don't hang on every scrap the paintball industry trickles to the consumer to build hype.

As for the warp
I can't imagine why this clunky thing didn't catch on.

But I'll make you a deal, if something revolutionary gets released tomorrow, I'll post a video of me getting shot in the butt.

You can kindly leave if all you have to contribute is asshat remarks resembling that of a 12 year old snob.


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 08:58 PM

Am i one of  the few that actually thinks this can do wonders if it works.


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:27 PM

its kinda funny, All these products nowadays are trying to recreate the warp feed, like that backpack, the defender, But this seems a little different, We have been trying to remove hoppers from the top of markers forever now. AGD made a good solution that wasnt perfect but was a damn good product. But now everyone is trying to perfect it. The problem is that the idea isn't really getting better. I was thinking about this and then I remembered Planet eclipse is a company like all the others. You see although The idea of taking the hopper off the top may seem cool to some people, But to be honest its not really helping anyone by doing it. Anyways my point is that this is a Gimmick, a way to make MONEY First the Paintball backpack guys came around trying to make that backpack loader then empire said, Hey people in scenario like this so we need to get in on this paintball Fad. Now planet is doing it. In another year or two everyone is going to look back on it and laugh. 



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:35 PM

I really like the idea. My only problem would be those extra few balls in the feed stack that wouldn't be able to be fed just like the box rotor. But what about things like different tank sizes? And i wonder how it will be connected to the marker itself. Maybe straps going around the tank? I might have to pick one up when my vmax dies.


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:49 PM

How big a troll is this.

 
 

And how do you hold your marker comfortably with the loader in that position?

 
 

Okay, so if it's got a longer hose it'll get in the way when switching hands, if it fits directly on top of the loader, given it's internals it won't hold much paint unless it's pretty dang big or incredibly inefficient. Or someone is trolling, or someone was sitting on the can and had an idea so they took a patent out, but Jack Woods is going to laugh in their face at the absurdity.

 
 

So planet is going to try to make a milsim marker? Even less to care about.

 
 

Well we'll see what happens tomorrow. I'm just not expecting the earth to move. Maybe I'm jaded, maybe I just don't hang on every scrap the paintball industry trickles to the consumer to build hype.
As for the warp
I can't imagine why this clunky thing didn't catch on.
But I'll make you a deal, if something revolutionary gets released tomorrow, I'll post a video of me getting shot in the butt.

You can kindly leave if all you have to contribute is asshat remarks resembling that of a 12 year old snob.

Who are you? Was I responding to you? If not stfu.

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 10:06 PM

 

 

You can kindly leave if all you have to contribute is asshat remarks resembling that of a 12 year old snob.

Who are you? Was I responding to you? If not stfu.

 

That's AoSpades, he's good people. And you just responded to him.



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 10:26 PM

 

Who are you? Was I responding to you? If not stfu.

 

I'm a somebody, you're a nobody. You posted your stupid comments in a open forum basically addressing anyone and everyone in the TechPB forum, bitch.

You ever used a warp feed? Probably not because you were not playing around the time they came out. I managed to get one, on a mag no less, and it was amazing. You can shoot the gun upside down. UPSIDE FUCKING DOWN. Your stupid comments are the reason I'm so happy people like you AREN'T in the paintball industry. Because we would never see any progress, we'd see the same old shitty gun, hopper, tank, whatever, year after year after year.

Moreover, your basing your stupid ass comments on a patent diagram. That's like a rough draft of a rough draft from a freaking napkin drawing.

 

 


Who are you? Was I responding to you? If not stfu.

 

That's AoSpades, he's good people. And you just responded to him.

 

Case in point

 

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 10:31 PM

I think a bit of OEF mode just came out


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 10:53 PM

This is a far better solution than a whole marker to use this design or Dyes craptastic attempt at magfed.

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 10:57 PM

at points you just have to say screw it.....i showed up using a warpfeed rt classic at my home field

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you dont you just tilt it..i demo

"but you cant switch hands??????"

no you dont have to you just tilt it like this..demo again...only problem is its heavier

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 11:31 PM

You are someone on the internet, your mother must be so proud of you! I've seen a warp feed, I've shot a marker with a warp feed, I've never owned a warp feed, because to me it falls into the category of things I do not need. It is unfortunate you can't say the same about that extra head you keep shoved up your ass.
The ability to shoot upside down or parallel to the ground just never seemed to appeal to me in the same way, that I'm sure girl jeans, flannel and PBR appeal to you. But if my opinion, which I AM entitled to, offends you so greatly, then feel free to keep your opinion to yourself...something you are also entitled to.

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:08 AM

I'm not offended in the least, just pointing out your obvious flaws in basic common sense...

But enough about retards, lets keep this on topic.


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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:11 AM

You are someone on the internet, your mother must be so proud of you! I've seen a warp feed, I've shot a marker with a warp feed, I've never owned a warp feed, because to me it falls into the category of things I do not need. It is unfortunate you can't say the same about that extra head you keep shoved up your ass.
The ability to shoot upside down or parallel to the ground just never seemed to appeal to me in the same way, that I'm sure girl jeans, flannel and PBR appeal to you. But if my opinion, which I AM entitled to, offends you so greatly, then feel free to keep your opinion to yourself...something you are also entitled to.


The opinion isnt the issue. Its the presentation which is the problem. For some reason you feel the need to flame others (with some uncreative comments about him being a hipster for some reason?) rather than provide any actual evidence for why the system is so terrible according to you.

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:15 AM

 

The opinion isnt the issue. Its the presentation which is the problem. For some reason you feel the need to flame others (with some uncreative comments about him being a hipster for some reason?) rather than provide any actual evidence for why the system is so terrible according to you.

 

See the bolded, underlined and red-texted quote below as to why.

 

at points you just have to say screw it.....i showed up using a warpfeed rt classic at my home field

"how the hell do you switch hands"

you dont you just tilt it..i demo

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 01:11 AM

I'm usually against AoS, but he is bitch slapping the fuck out of you. Quit before he fucking buries you.


If PE does this right, I'd rock one forever. If they get it right, this is the future of loaders.

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 04:38 AM

If they make it how I'm invisioning it would definitely be a nice revision from the current trend. All the weight would also be at the end resting on(hopefully) the tank pretty much rendering even the kickiest marker a problem of the past.

 

 

The biggest issue I am seeing with this is that they may make the loader only for PE markers, meaning if you have other platforms it will either sit too low and render you unable to use a tank unless you get a drop forward, which would be pretty friggin difficult with macroless markers, or will sit too high and have only the elongated feedneck to support all the weight. Moreover tank sizes will also be a burden in getting the correct fitment considering all of the different sizes and lengths of tanks.

But hey, thats just me, thinking things out and giving an educated opinion instead of just dribbling out retardation.


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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:43 PM

Maybe they could make a base model with interchangeable bottom parts to accommodate different tank sizes, could also solve the height issue.


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Posted 03 August 2014 - 08:03 PM

I think this would be best suited for milsim. 


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Posted 03 August 2014 - 08:08 PM

You are someone on the internet, your mother must be so proud of you! I've seen a warp feed, I've shot a marker with a warp feed, I've never owned a warp feed, because to me it falls into the category of things I do not need. It is unfortunate you can't say the same about that extra head you keep shoved up your ass.
The ability to shoot upside down or parallel to the ground just never seemed to appeal to me in the same way, that I'm sure girl jeans, flannel and PBR appeal to you. But if my opinion, which I AM entitled to, offends you so greatly, then feel free to keep your opinion to yourself...something you are also entitled to.


The opinion isnt the issue. Its the presentation which is the problem. For some reason you feel the need to flame others (with some uncreative comments about him being a hipster for some reason?) rather than provide any actual evidence for why the system is so terrible according to you.

Obviously you didn't bother to read any thing above, I had a number of reasons why I don't think it would work.

A hose would make it difficult to switch hands.
Placing the loader on the tank or towards the back of the marker would still prevent you from aiming down the marker comfortably.
A loader would have to be huge, in order to hold paintballs with a drive of that size. Or loading paintballs into that arrangement would be pointless.

And here's another couple.
The point of the warp drive was to force feed paint from a gravity hopper. We have force feed hoppers now, that do it better.
Putting the weight to the back of a gun doesn't make it less kicky. There's a reason people put compensators on the FRONT of firearms. Not the back.

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 08:14 PM

Can we act like grown ass men instead of three year old girls fighting over a barbie doll. Now that's a thought.


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Posted 03 August 2014 - 08:15 PM

 

 

You are someone on the internet, your mother must be so proud of you! I've seen a warp feed, I've shot a marker with a warp feed, I've never owned a warp feed, because to me it falls into the category of things I do not need. It is unfortunate you can't say the same about that extra head you keep shoved up your ass.
The ability to shoot upside down or parallel to the ground just never seemed to appeal to me in the same way, that I'm sure girl jeans, flannel and PBR appeal to you. But if my opinion, which I AM entitled to, offends you so greatly, then feel free to keep your opinion to yourself...something you are also entitled to.


The opinion isnt the issue. Its the presentation which is the problem. For some reason you feel the need to flame others (with some uncreative comments about him being a hipster for some reason?) rather than provide any actual evidence for why the system is so terrible according to you.

Obviously you didn't bother to read any thing above, I had a number of reasons why I don't think it would work.

A hose would make it difficult to switch hands.
Placing the loader on the tank or towards the back of the marker would still prevent you from aiming down the marker comfortably.
A loader would have to be huge, in order to hold paintballs with a drive of that size. Or loading paintballs into that arrangement would be pointless.

And here's another couple.
The point of the warp drive was to force feed paint from a gravity hopper. We have force feed hoppers now, that do it better.
Putting the weight to the back of a gun doesn't make it less kicky. There's a reason people put compensators on the FRONT of firearms. Not the back.

 

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 08:15 PM

 

 

You are someone on the internet, your mother must be so proud of you! I've seen a warp feed, I've shot a marker with a warp feed, I've never owned a warp feed, because to me it falls into the category of things I do not need. It is unfortunate you can't say the same about that extra head you keep shoved up your ass.
The ability to shoot upside down or parallel to the ground just never seemed to appeal to me in the same way, that I'm sure girl jeans, flannel and PBR appeal to you. But if my opinion, which I AM entitled to, offends you so greatly, then feel free to keep your opinion to yourself...something you are also entitled to.


The opinion isnt the issue. Its the presentation which is the problem. For some reason you feel the need to flame others (with some uncreative comments about him being a hipster for some reason?) rather than provide any actual evidence for why the system is so terrible according to you.

Obviously you didn't bother to read any thing above, I had a number of reasons why I don't think it would work.

A hose would make it difficult to switch hands.
Placing the loader on the tank or towards the back of the marker would still prevent you from aiming down the marker comfortably.
A loader would have to be huge, in order to hold paintballs with a drive of that size. Or loading paintballs into that arrangement would be pointless.

And here's another couple.
The point of the warp drive was to force feed paint from a gravity hopper. We have force feed hoppers now, that do it better.
Putting the weight to the back of a gun doesn't make it less kicky. There's a reason people put compensators on the FRONT of firearms. Not the back.

 

Obviously YOU didn't read anything posted above. You would shoot it like a warp feed, meaning you DO NOT switch hands. Also, how do you know what size the drive is or how it would function? All we have to go off of is that one picture. Also, the warp feed's only function was to move the loader off the top of the gun, a force-fed loader only serves to make it function better than it did with a revvy. 

 

One last thing, people put compensators on firearms to help mitigate barrel rise. Paintball guns do not have any use for compensators because the kick/ barrel rise of a paintball gun compared to that of a firearm is negligible. Your point is invalid.


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Posted 03 August 2014 - 08:29 PM

I think this is a great Idea.  Look at the empire dfender.  It internalized this design.  The only problem it had was that it needs a remote line to be used successfully.  If PE makes this loader so that it sits on your tank, that would make it awesome!  They could even go so far as to put sights on top of the loader.


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Posted 03 August 2014 - 08:32 PM

Putting the weight to the back of a gun doesn't make it less kicky. There's a reason people put compensators on the FRONT of firearms. Not the back.

 

Uh... compensators are on the front because they redirect the muzzle blast changing the forces from the muzzle blast on the gun. It has absolutely nothing to do with weight distribution.


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Posted 03 August 2014 - 08:36 PM

You see things like the q loader and the strikeloader and the warp feed and what do they all have in common?  A hose that can either prevent you from switching hands, or get caught on stuff.  This design from PE eliminated that hose by combining it with the loader in one streamlined product.  The potential for this design is endless.  It can prevent losing paint because the speed feed will be below eye level, it will reduce the size of the target, it will balance the weight of the gun, and it will provide a more streamlined profile to the marker.


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Posted 03 August 2014 - 09:24 PM

It's like arguing with a brick wall. You can spout all the common sense you want and it won't get you anywhere with this guy. He's set on thinking the patent photo is the final product, so just let him think that.


We can all discuss the finer things of life in the meantime, like thinking of what the final product would ACTUALLY look like and perform.


Also, lol compensator. You ever heard of a bullpup? Majority of the weight is at the rear of the gun, making it easier to handle and shoulder comfortably.

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 09:32 PM

And how do you hold your marker comfortably with the loader in that position?

you get your head out of your butt and realize this is not anything like what the final design will be
I'll assume you don't know what a patent is, basically eclipse patents the operation of the loader, that's all. that image you see serves just to show a possible configuration of the technology they wish to create.  I don't know how it's supposed to work, but basically assuming this patent is granted to eclipse they will take that weird screw shaped thing and implement it into (most likely) a more traditional loader design.  They own the method for delivering paintballs, they could arrange it into a bullpup thing as shown or they could make a traditional top mount hopper, either way assuming the picture on a  patent is the final design is foolish. The only information you should take from that image is the screw shaped tunnel around a cylinder is a possible new method for delivering paintballs. 

 it really makes me sad how hard you're pushing against innovation.

Also I think it looks cool and I'd really love to see them take this into production, it's been a LONG time since there were any major changes to loader operation besides the q-loader. 


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Posted 03 August 2014 - 09:38 PM

 

 

You are someone on the internet, your mother must be so proud of you! I've seen a warp feed, I've shot a marker with a warp feed, I've never owned a warp feed, because to me it falls into the category of things I do not need. It is unfortunate you can't say the same about that extra head you keep shoved up your ass.
The ability to shoot upside down or parallel to the ground just never seemed to appeal to me in the same way, that I'm sure girl jeans, flannel and PBR appeal to you. But if my opinion, which I AM entitled to, offends you so greatly, then feel free to keep your opinion to yourself...something you are also entitled to.


The opinion isnt the issue. Its the presentation which is the problem. For some reason you feel the need to flame others (with some uncreative comments about him being a hipster for some reason?) rather than provide any actual evidence for why the system is so terrible according to you.

Obviously you didn't bother to read any thing above, I had a number of reasons why I don't think it would work.

A hose would make it difficult to switch hands.
Placing the loader on the tank or towards the back of the marker would still prevent you from aiming down the marker comfortably.
A loader would have to be huge, in order to hold paintballs with a drive of that size. Or loading paintballs into that arrangement would be pointless.

And here's another couple.
The point of the warp drive was to force feed paint from a gravity hopper. We have force feed hoppers now, that do it better.
Putting the weight to the back of a gun doesn't make it less kicky. There's a reason people put compensators on the FRONT of firearms. Not the back.

 

I blacked out from the stupidity.


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Posted 03 August 2014 - 09:48 PM

And here's another couple.
The point of the warp drive was to force feed paint from a gravity hopper. We have force feed hoppers now, that do it better.
Putting the weight to the back of a gun doesn't make it less kicky. There's a reason people put compensators on the FRONT of firearms. Not the back.

 

Putting weight on the back of a gun DOES make it less kicky, they do put weight on the back of precision guns to help reduce recoil, or "kick".

 

Compensators are there to redirect gas flow, they have nothing to do with modifying the weight distribution.

 

Are there any other topics out there, that you have NO knowledge about, that you'd like to discuss? faint.gif


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Posted 03 August 2014 - 09:49 PM

 

And here's another couple.
The point of the warp drive was to force feed paint from a gravity hopper. We have force feed hoppers now, that do it better.
Putting the weight to the back of a gun doesn't make it less kicky. There's a reason people put compensators on the FRONT of firearms. Not the back.

 

The point of the warp was to take the hopper off the top of the loader to try and avoid hopper hits, not to force feed paint from a gravity hopper.

 

Putting weight on the back of a gun DOES make it less kicky, they do put weight on the back of precision guns to help reduce recoil, or "kick".

 

Compensators are there to redirect gas flow, they have nothing to do with modifying the weight distribution.

 

Are there any other topics out there, that you have NO knowledge about, that you'd like to discuss? faint.gif

 

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 11:02 PM

Moving weight that was already there toward the back of a marker or firearm will increase barrel rise but will make it easier to manuever.

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 11:07 PM

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