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#1 Justin B.

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 04:19 PM

Hi everyone,

I am working on a Dye DM4 for a guy and I am doing a lot of stuff to it because it is in very poor shape internally. Well, I have already had to take out one stripped rear frame screw by making a cut in it and taking it out with a flat head screw driver, but I've run into a problem. One of the eye cover screws that is behind the eye cover itself is still screwed in and is stripped. It is a VERY tiny screw and hole down to it and I have no idea how to get it out. I tried pushing the Allen wrench up against the edge of the screw head and trying to get it to hook on it and that didn't work. I also tried using a flat head screw driver but it is just stripped way to bad for that too. I've only thought of one other thing and that is to glue the Allen wrench to the head and try taking it out like that. I'm afraid the glue will also connect to the eye cover and even if I get it out I will not be able to take the screw off the eye cover. 

 

If you have any ideas PLEASE let me know!

 

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 04:59 PM

Super glus is exactly whatr I would do. Just put a very small dab of it on the end of the allen key so it doesn't turn into a mess, and wait for it to dry and stick to the screw.



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Posted 10 August 2014 - 05:44 PM

Super glus is exactly whatr I would do. Just put a very small dab of it on the end of the allen key so it doesn't turn into a mess, and wait for it to dry and stick to the screw.

 

I tried that with modeling glue and it didn't work. I'm currently trying to screw into the head of the screw with a drill. My dad says we should try using our dremel tool to break the head off now.


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Posted 10 August 2014 - 07:37 PM

I suggest not fixing markers online unless you have the knowledge and resources available to you. There is a lot of liability behind fixing other peoples markers (or anything else) online. God forbid it gets lost or damaged in the mailing process or you damage it worse yourself trying to fix it. I'd stick to local chumps or people you know personally, at least to start with if you really think you can tech markers on the side.

 

If I recall you've not exactly been in the game all too long yourself. Let alone owned or have experience with some of the markers you're fixing. Not that paintball markers are overly complicated or anything...  It's just a thought, I don't want to see you getting sued on Judge Judy for small claims  :P .


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Posted 10 August 2014 - 08:20 PM

I suggest not fixing markers online unless you have the knowledge and resources available to you. There is a lot of liability behind fixing other peoples markers (or anything else) online. God forbid it gets lost or damaged in the mailing process or you damage it worse yourself trying to fix it. I'd stick to local chumps or people you know personally, at least to start with if you really think you can tech markers on the side.

 

If I recall you've not exactly been in the game all too long yourself. Let alone owned or have experience with some of the markers you're fixing. Not that paintball markers are overly complicated or anything...  It's just a thought, I don't want to see you getting sued on Judge Judy for small claims  :P .

 

Well I have it all listed in the thread. I am doing it to learn more about other markers and so far its gone good. I just ask on here when I run into an issue like this. If I decide its too much than I will stop but for now its going good especially since I use paypal and everything. Plus I figured out what needs to be done. I found a Dye tech on PBNation that answered to someone else with the same problem a while ago. It requires drilling through the eye cover and when its all done just getting new eye covers and the new screw for them too. 


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Posted 10 August 2014 - 10:07 PM

Are we getting new threads with every marker you get?   :)  (Not enough new threads here recently, keep them coming)

 

I might go a different route, for the reasons another listed above.  With each thread they would have a lot of evidence against you.  

 

Maybe buy broken guns and fix, then sell?  That way there is no liability for "damaged while drilling eye cover" and you owe him a new DM14 after he's done getting damages.  

 

If you lived in California you'd be buying him a house.  Damn lawyers.


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Posted 10 August 2014 - 10:15 PM

Learning from broken markers owned by strangers from across the country seems completely reasonable...

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 10:31 PM

Learning from broken markers owned by strangers from across the country seems completely reasonable...

 

lol, well, for now like I said its going good and if I do damage his marker permanently I can assure you that I would be buying him a completely new one.


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Posted 10 August 2014 - 11:49 PM

Are we getting new threads with every marker you get?   :)  (Not enough new threads here recently, keep them coming)

 

I might go a different route, for the reasons another listed above.  With each thread they would have a lot of evidence against you.  

 

Maybe buy broken guns and fix, then sell?  That way there is no liability for "damaged while drilling eye cover" and you owe him a new DM14 after he's done getting damages.  

 

If you lived in California you'd be buying him a house.  Damn lawyers.

 

I am also going to have a lot less time during the school year so you may have a good idea about buying and fixing markers and then reselling them. 


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 12:31 AM

Thats also a good way to make some cash if you know what parts/service are needed ahead of time and if you have the capital. Friend of mine made like $500 flipping quitting sales one summer... (buying multiple Rotors at a time for ~$50 a piece tends to do that)

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 01:26 AM

Thats also a good way to make some cash if you know what parts/service are needed ahead of time and if you have the capital. Friend of mine made like $500 flipping quitting sales one summer... (buying multiple Rotors at a time for ~$50 a piece tends to do that)

 

I made over a G buying broken tube amplifiers for guitars, fixing and flipping them last year.  

 

I just think buying them and fixing them vs repairing someones marker that you have never met is a better option than having to buy someone a new marker for a scratch or something else.  

 

Are you charging these people for labor?


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 10:54 AM

 

Thats also a good way to make some cash if you know what parts/service are needed ahead of time and if you have the capital. Friend of mine made like $500 flipping quitting sales one summer... (buying multiple Rotors at a time for ~$50 a piece tends to do that)

 

I made over a G buying broken tube amplifiers for guitars, fixing and flipping them last year.  

 

I just think buying them and fixing them vs repairing someones marker that you have never met is a better option than having to buy someone a new marker for a scratch or something else.  

 

Are you charging these people for labor?

 

 

No I haven't charged anyone for labor yet. Only parts and shipping. I was planning to start charging but I may end up shutting it down now. lol 

 

Your right in the sense they could sue me or something for a minor thing. 


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 12:10 PM

Well I dokt think anyone is taking you to small claims over an eye cover screw...

But it just outs you under a lot of responsibility.

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 01:24 PM

Well I dokt think anyone is taking you to small claims over an eye cover screw...

But it just outs you under a lot of responsibility.

 

Yeah I understand but with the way people are today r45vt is right. Something minor like that could happen and then the person could ask my for a whole new marker. lol

 

Also, if I buy broken markers, fix them, and then sell them that is instant profit. Also I can do this with hoppers too like you said.


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 04:04 PM

I haven't paid out of pocket to play paintball in almost a year. Set aside a bit of what I refer to as "fuck you money" used it to flip guns. 


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 04:24 PM

I haven't paid out of pocket to play paintball in almost a year. Set aside a bit of what I refer to as "fuck you money" used it to flip guns. 

 

lol, ok. I will have to see what I wanna do. 


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 11:40 AM

I've run into another thing. On the can there are these 2 white delrin looking rings that are the same outside diameter as the can. They have an O-ring on the outside and on the inside. I have no idea what they are for and if they even go to this marker? They don't appear in the manual. 


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 11:50 AM

Pictures? Are they possibly urethane orings?
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Posted 12 August 2014 - 12:03 PM

Pictures? Are they possibly urethane orings?

 

No way are they urethane O-rings. I will have to get some pictures up later. I also purchased a new microswitch/battery harness and the microswitch does not seem to fit right? When I bough it it said it was for the DM4 but it doesn't seem to fit properly.


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 08:51 PM

May be a ghetto modded eigenring/tophat mod. Hard to understand without pics. 


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 09:51 PM

May be a ghetto modded eigenring/tophat mod. Hard to understand without pics. 

 

I'll get pictures up in a little while. I'm currently modifying the new harness to work with the old microswitch (The new switch does not fit and rather than buy a new one I figured since I tested the old one with a continuity tester and it works, why not use it?)


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 10:49 PM

Ok, so my job to the microswitch and everything works perfect. The solenoid now clicks! I am taking pictures of the rings I was talking about now!

 

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The last picture right above this is just to show the inner O-ring and everything.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 04:01 PM

Does anyone know what the rings are for? I'm not even sure how they are supposed to sit on the can assembly?


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 04:47 PM

very well done tophat mod I think, I could be wrong... it uses orings instead of the usual tape and whatnot. I wonder who made it... It will work without it. However, It's worthwhile to have it installed imo. It should make the DM slightly more air efficient which will make up for that 530 mod (cut pillars) for more air volume.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 04:58 PM

very well done tophat mod I think, I could be wrong... it uses orings instead of the usual tape and whatnot. I wonder who made it... It will work without it. However, It's worthwhile to have it installed imo. It should make the DM slightly more air efficient which will make up for that 530 mod (cut pillars) for more air volume.

 

Do I have the rings positioned right? Are either of them turned around or what not? I just don't know how its supposed to work is all. lol

 

I have no idea who would have made it but the story the customer told me was that he traded and intimidator for the DM4, 4 years ago and never tested it out when he received it. Now 4 years later he plays again and finds out that the DM4 doesn't work. 

 

EDIT: I looked up tophat mod so I know basically what it is now but I just don't know how to position the rings.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 10:38 PM

Ring position really should not matter. All it does is section off more space reducing volume in the chamber. And PS BIGX WAS FUCKING RIGHT. 


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 10:44 PM

Ring position really should not matter. All it does is section off more space reducing volume in the chamber. And PS BIGX WAS FUCKING RIGHT. 

 

Ah ok I see. Thanks!


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